Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[HanSolo2187]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

LOL. You are spot-on about the power plant inside the Naboo palace. Totally out of place. The whole movie is filled with examples like this, poor dialog, and missed opportunities.

Another example - I like how Jar Jar jumps into a pond and suddenly they are swimming 200+ feet down to a huge underwater city. Huh?

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Say what you will about his intelligence and communication skills, but Jar Jar's an excellent swimmer.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

http://youtu.be/LF44EDcjBeg
The song isn't that great, but the video is awesome.

 

[SmilingOtter]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

ANAKIN: "Are you an Angel?"

Nope, because Christian and Catholic icons such as angels would not be in the SW universe. That's the young Darth Vader's first line.....again, way to go George.

Echo Base Officer: Your Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker!
Han Solo: Then I'll see you in Hell!

Granted, both lines would need quite a bit of explaining to make sense...

 

[gonk27]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I see where your coming from but in reality the droids were the comedy aspect of SW and they provided the comedy relief during the original trilogy, the problem is George forgot about this and decided we needed the hilarious antics of Jar Jar Binks.

TPM isn't just a bad SW film, it's just a terrible film all over. The dialog is horrific and all over the place, for example:-

OB1: "I have a bad feeling about this"
QUIGON: "I don't sense anything"

Really QGJ? you are a master jedi and you don't sense ANYTHING? You don't sense the massive deception, you don't sense a plot by the trade federation? You don't sense an attack which is just moments away?......great first line of the film, way to go George.

ANAKIN: "Are you an Angel?"

Nope, because Christian and Catholic icons such as angels would not be in the SW universe. That's the young Darth Vader's first line.....again, way to go George.

QUIGON: "You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods"

Therefore does that mean that every single pod racer has Jedi ability?....Sigh.

In all honestly I could go on for ages about all the failings of TPM but I'd end up with a massively long drawn out post.

Yeah, but we find out in the prequels that the Jedi have become complacent and that their force abilities aren’t as sharp as they were, so Qui Gon’s failure to sense the trap could be evidence of this. It’s (dare I say it) quite clever of Lucas to hint at this so early in the trilogy if this is the case. The point is precisely that the none of the Jedi as a whole sense Palpatine’s plotting until it’s too late. It’s a throw-away line in TPM, but it’s given more context once you’ve seen the whole trilogy.

The Angel thing? .. well I agree it sounds corny, but if I were to be picky I’d point out that the concept of Angels isn’t unique to Christianity or Catholicism anyway, so perhaps some Tatooinians or whatever they call themselves also have a similar belief?

And the Jedi reflexes thing? yeah it’s just that Qui Gon’s surprised that a small kid can race pods I reckon..

 

[gonk27]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Imagine waiting 15 years for a new SW movie and the opening crawl begins with "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute".

I imagine most kids were wondering what the hell they came to watch, it's just boring from the outset. Then on top of that you have set pieces which make no sense whatsoever. Naboo, which looks all roman and beautiful with cascading waterfalls suddenly has a MASSIVE power plant hidden away for a grand backdrop to the Darth Maul fight. Why is it there? What do they need it for? It looks like something from the Death Star.

It's just ridiculous. After 15 years that is the best George could do......really?

Oooh no I don’t see a problem with a huge power plant on the Naboo city at all! - how else is the city supposed to generate its power?? We have plenty of cities that have fantastic architecture but also have functional buildings packed in between depending upon how the place has grown and developed.

The power plant’s an industrial facility that the general population wouldn’t expect to have access to (or they’d have handrails on those walkways!)

…actually the fact that it looked reminiscent of the Death Star was a HUGE bonus to me, and I wished there’d been more of that kind of thing in TPM. Obviously, the idea of a catwalk with a perilous drop is a very deliberate nod to both Death Star’s reactor shafts, and Bespin’s gantry. It’s a visual link to the OT. One of my gripes with the prequels is that to me the films don’t really feel part of the OT universe, with the exception of Tatooine and the droids. Great to see the Blockade Runner in Ep III though. Agree with you about the overly-complicated political backdrop though..

..All in all I’m fairly ambivalent towards the prequels these days. I haven’t seen any of them in at least a couple of years, I’m just concerned that the new movies are going to be more of the same in tone and feel. Hope not, I want old skool Star Wars back

 

[Stormy320]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Imagine waiting 15 years for a new SW movie and the opening crawl begins with "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute".

:lol I saw it one time at the theater when it came out. I swore I would never see it again and I haven't! I remember thinking not only did I not like it as a Star Wars film, it was the worst movie I'd ever seen. Thanks to you my PTSD is coming back :sick. It went down hill from the beginning. You are correct. The second sentence in the crawl. Lordy!

I remember thinking as I was suffering through it I felt like I was watching some type of political documentary from a country I've never heard of and had no interest in. It was plan awful.

Fortunately the next one was better and watchable.

15 years and this is all you got.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Fortunately the next one was better and watchable.

As much as I don't like either I personally find AOTC the unwatchable one! :lol

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Oooh no I don’t see a problem with a huge power plant on the Naboo city at all! - how else is the city supposed to generate its power??

What made it really odd to me was if they have all that power and clearly loads of resources so how exactly was this blockade affecting them? :lol

 

[Darth Lars]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The power plant’s an industrial facility that the general population wouldn’t expect to have access to (or they’d have handrails on those walkways!)

…actually the fact that it looked reminiscent of the Death Star was a HUGE bonus to me, and I wished there’d been more of that kind of thing in TPM. Obviously, the idea of a catwalk with a perilous drop is a very deliberate nod to both Death Star’s reactor shafts, and Bespin’s gantry. It’s a visual link to the OT.

The lack of handrails on the Death Star (I) could be explained by their military setting, elitist culture and macho ideals. The Death Star (II) did have handrails in the throne room and Bespin did have handrails on the wind vane gantry.
Naboo's reactor room was civilian and Naboo was supposed to be much more civilized than the Death Star, which makes the lack of handrails quite weird to me.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

ANAKIN: "Are you an Angel?"

Nope, because Christian and Catholic icons such as angels would not be in the SW universe. That's the young Darth Vader's first line.....again, way to go George.

He wasn't referring to the mystical see-through people with wings sent to Earth by God. It was an alien race, something explained in the very next sentence of dialogue in the movie.

QUIGON: "You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods"

Therefore does that mean that every single pod racer has Jedi ability?....Sigh.

No, that means Anakin was a nine year old kid who hadn't even reached puberty yet, yet he was racing pods that travel at 900km/hr and survived to tell the tale. I'd say it's a pretty good bet that that kid must have Jedi reflexes. Plus they flat-out told us that he's the only human that could do it, so it just goes to reason...that that kid must have Jedi reflexes.

 

[nitrox]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

He wasn't referring to the mystical see-through people with wings sent to Earth by God. It was an alien race, something explained in the very next sentence of dialogue in the movie.



No, that means Anakin was a nine year old kid who hadn't even reached puberty yet, yet he was racing pods that travel at 900km/hr and survived to tell the tale. I'd say it's a pretty good bet that that kid must have Jedi reflexes. Plus they flat-out told us that he's the only human that could do it, so it just goes to reason...that that kid must have Jedi reflexes.

As regards the Angel thing I understand what your saying, but I still think it's lazy writing from Lucas. He has a whole universe to play with and he still reverts to calling them angels, he could of called them something completely different and the sentence would of still made sense when backed up by the following lines as you say.

As for the pod racer reference, OK I can relent on that one but I still feel that lots of the dialog in this movie is very subjective and can be interpreted in a multiple of ways.

If Anakin is the only human to pilot a pod and he needs Jedi reflexes to do that then OK, I guess. But then that means all of the other non-human pod racers have Jedi reflexes right? Why are they not trained as Jedi? or are the Jedi really not that special if all these other creatures have Jedi reflexes?

 

[Jedi-72]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What exactly was it about racing pods that required "Jedi reflexes" to begin with? What was it that as soooooo difficult that yippee boy was the only human who could do it? A lap race across mostly open desert in what amounts to a jet car....wow.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Gotta love vehicle design that puts the pilot directly behind two jet engines.

 

[gonk27]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As much as I don't like either I personally find AOTC the unwatchable one! :lol

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What made it really odd to me was if they have all that power and clearly loads of resources so how exactly was this blockade affecting them? :lol

But the planet falls under direct occupation at the start of the film don't forget, with troops and hardware in the streets -so I suppose food and power production etc is being controlled on the ground by the Trade Federation....

 

[gonk27]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Naboo's reactor room was civilian and Naboo was supposed to be much more civilized than the Death Star, which makes the lack of handrails quite weird to me.

Yeah Naboo's reactor room is a civilian building, but maybe handrails aren't a priority if the place is going to be staffed by people who know what they're doing and were they should and shouldn't walk! I doubt just anyone's allowed in there without their harnesses, relevant health and safety certificates and good life insurance

(That and it just heightens the drama!)

 

[Fly4v]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As much as I don't like either I personally find AOTC the unwatchable one! :lol

Just fast forward to the Jango Fett Obi Wan fight and then the Clone drop ships, it makes for a much better viewing.

As regards the Angel thing

Robot Chicken handled the explanation of that scene rather well.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Gotta love vehicle design that puts the pilot directly behind two jet engines.

Nothing else quite like it for that "wind in your hair" feeling...

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That's what the goggles are for. Duh! :rolleyes

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

^:lol...

 

[jlee562]

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