Zombie_61
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Star Wars: questions you've always wanted answers for
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ive been trying to ind this picture at a larger size. bulloch is coming to RI comic con and i would like him to autograph this, but cant find this exact picture in any larger size
anyone have any idea where i can find it?sorry for getting off topic
Two things... I read a cool mini-essay a while back elaborating on the difference between warriors and soldiers, and the historical evolution from one to the other. Stormtroopers are soldiers. The keys there are anonymity, uniformity, and numbers. Mandalorians are warriors. The keys there are individuality, and skill making up for lack of numbers. Trying to draw parallels between the two is a false comparison. Not even "uniform" organizations like Death Watch or the Protectors were truly uniform. They were collections of individuals working together toward common cause, not blank, interchangeable files.
The other is that Mandos don't live in their armor in the EU. They wear it to go into battle, when they're expecting trouble, and for formal occasions. The rest of the time, you can find ample descriptions of Mandos in civvies or, at the very least, less than fully kitted up.
Customized does not necessarily mean "not drawn from the same template/cultural design ethic". There are several people in the Mandalorian Mercs who make aluminum, mild steel, or stainless steel (the latter being what mine is) armor, to order and to size, for a bunch of people. All start from the same base template list (Boba? Jango? Death Watch? Galaxies? Legacy? Bo-Katan? Sabine? and so on...) and then deviate where necessary or desired by the individual. Line 'em all up and, while not uniform, you can immediately tell they're all Mandos.
+1 Very this. I really hope they fill in Boba's story between Clone Wars and ESB by having him pull himself together and become the ultimate warrior he was previously always presented to be. One thing I really don't like about how the canon has swung is the whole implied thing of Boba being on Jabba's retainer. He should never have been in ROTJ -- he would have dropped Han off, collected his reward, and left for the next job. He definitely shouldn't have been shoehorned into ANH. Up until the Marvel Darth Vader miniseries, I had come to maintain a personal headcanon that the difference between the ESB and ROTJ costumes (different, though obviously meant to be the same -- particularly because of the dent) indicated different people. ESB Boba is the real one, and ROTJ Boba is an imposter Jabba has on staff to intimidate people, and that's who got taken out like a punk by a blind guy. Unfortunately, the Marvel artists gave the Boba in their new comics the red ROTJ gauntlets and multicolor ROTJ rocketpack. *sigh* So yeah, we seem to have had Boba downgraded from "the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy" to "a kid who couldn't hack it as a bounty hunter who ended up a thug on Jabba the Hutt's payroll".
--Jonah
Well, originally (and, I think, the best approach yet taken), in the Marvel comic, 212 sector peacekeepers, policemen, and mercenaries were organized into a force charged with, as Fenn Shysa put it, the ultimate protection of the Mandalore system during the Clone Wars. Mind you, this was when we had a far different timeline of events, and the Clone Wars were "known" to have been a series of related conflicts spanning over a decade, almost up to the time of the films.
Kinda parallel to this was the history of Slave I. It was one of the numerous custom-ordered system-patrol craft the Mandalorians had. Each had a crew of three -- pilot/captain, and two copilot/gunner/engineers.
Anyway, at the end of all this, around the time of the Empire's rise, Boba and his crew were the only survivors. The other ships were destroyed, the other Protectors wiped out. The Empire annexed Mandalore and began strip-mining it and rounding up the populace for slaves. Boba's crew -- Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala -- began and led a guerrilla resistance, but Boba, broken and bitter, took his ship, renamed it, and left. Fenn never forgave him for it. His words, post-ROTJ, when Han mistook him for Boba, "That bounty hunting scum died, same time as the Empire he worked for." Ouch.
I find that a far more compelling story than what the Prequels and Clone Wars have given us...
--Jonah
Kinda parallel to this was the history of Slave I. It was one of the numerous custom-ordered system-patrol craft the Mandalorians had. Each had a crew of three -- pilot/captain, and two copilot/gunner/engineers.
Anyway, at the end of all this, around the time of the Empire's rise, Boba and his crew were the only survivors. The other ships were destroyed, the other Protectors wiped out. The Empire annexed Mandalore and began strip-mining it and rounding up the populace for slaves. Boba's crew -- Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala -- began and led a guerrilla resistance, but Boba, broken and bitter, took his ship, renamed it, and left. Fenn never forgave him for it. His words, post-ROTJ, when Han mistook him for Boba, "That bounty hunting scum died, same time as the Empire he worked for." Ouch.
I find that a far more compelling story than what the Prequels and Clone Wars have given us...
--Jonah
KrangPrime
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I was talking about in Universe explanation. Not how the costume came into being. most average star wars fans don''t know about knights of the old republic, or anything pre A new Hope, I would think..their knowledge probably begins with episode 4. at least back then... If you suddenly made all the clone troopers look more like Boba Fett in episode 2, ,people would be going 'oh geeze, major fan service...' they might not have known where the idea for the costume started out and how the reference came to be in the movie. All they'd see is George playing on the popularity of Boba.
and yes, I remember that photo from star wars insider now that you bring it up.
If you keep the armor as Mandalorian soldier wear that stayed the same for centuries, I think it'd make more sense as to where it actually came from and how it evolved. but if you wanted to go the other route, they could have added in a line that the trooper armor was INSPIRED by Mando wear and designed by Jango himself.
KrangPrime
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I knew someone was going to bring that up. absolutely 100% true ;o) that was bad enough, but if you made the troopers all look 100% like him,I think it would have been even worse and one step way too far.
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Riceball
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But if you looked at most depictions of Mandos, esp. fan builds, they're almost all just re-colored Fett armor with maybe a piece or 2 that's different. It's nothing like surviving European plate or Samurai lamellar armor where there's much more variation, esp. in helmet designs. Of course, we don't have every piece of armor ever made and worn and it could be that what's survived are just representative pieces of some of the major styles and iconography does show a fair amount of similarity but these are just men at arms and not the knights and lords who would be like what the Mados are and are the kind of people known for wearing custom armor and not arsenal grade stuff right off of the armorer's shelf, so to speak.
Axlotl
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Erm... no, that's completely different. The Empire is an organized army. Isn't Mandalore a planet? I suppose it's possible for a planet to have a single, organized army, but is it realistic?
And I wasn't implying that Fett was some poser who "found" a set of armor - more like he took it from an opponent he killed in combat.
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Monkey67
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i would say he is a poser or just wearing a different color Scheme than his daddy non clone. Which boba could be a clone of a clone really. The guy who you see wearing the armor in E 5& 6 might not even be the real boba. Since he wasn't a good fighter nor a smart guy. Simple could be a guy/ girl who killed boba with a cheap sneaky way. Took his armor and name to start a new life living off boba fame.
Well here's something I don't understand after the prequels:why didn't Boba use his father's armor anyway? of course the answer is Jango didn't EXIST before the new films and nobody knew what Boba's dad looked like.
Fanboys will have some convoluted excuse to cover for George's antics but the fact is the prequels blew some huge holes in SW,such as if you think about it how old is Fett anyway? he was a kid in two so that's what? fifteen years before three? or more? so he was what ten? maybe twelve at the time of two so with the jump from three to four that's twenty three years,and what two three years before five?
So....Boba was near on fifty in Empire Strikes Back??? and he's a clone so how do they age?
In some ways I love SW and in some ways in gives me a splitting headache.
Fanboys will have some convoluted excuse to cover for George's antics but the fact is the prequels blew some huge holes in SW,such as if you think about it how old is Fett anyway? he was a kid in two so that's what? fifteen years before three? or more? so he was what ten? maybe twelve at the time of two so with the jump from three to four that's twenty three years,and what two three years before five?
So....Boba was near on fifty in Empire Strikes Back??? and he's a clone so how do they age?
In some ways I love SW and in some ways in gives me a splitting headache.
Riceball
Master Member
How do we know that Boba isn't using a re-painted set of Jango's armor? I can't say that I've studied the two that closely but to me Jango's armor looks like a cleaned up version of Boba's armor in blue. So maybe Boba did take Jango's armor and over the years, repainted it and made some mods here and there.
KrangPrime
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that's only cause you forget to turn your brain off and just enjoy it like a flash gordon movie ;o)...
although in ep two, one of the kaminoan's mentioned that boba is an unaltered clone, so he will age normally, unlike the normal troopers who have, I think, a double aging rate.
Axlotl
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But why would he repaint his father's beautiful shiny silver armor army-truck-green?
The whole Boba/Jango/Clone plot in the PT was just a huge stupid fan-pandering patronizing mistake.
Who among us here has ever watched a Clint Eastwood western and then thought "Gee, I wonder what his DAD was like?"
I just don't understand George Lucas's thought processes - what is going on in that guy's brain? It's a maze of insanity.
astroboy
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At one point on the clone wars, young Boba leaves the Jango helmet next to a trap for Obi-wan to find. I don't think it survived the trap
KrangPrime
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it's the curse of big universes. nothing can be random anymore. it all has to tie in now because they think fans expect it to..
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