Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

[Galactican]

Oh I know what they can do!
They can have a scene with Vader being displeased with him and squishing his head down to be more round using the force as a punishment

Grand Inquisitor - “My Lord.. We have found no trace of Obi-wan Kenobi’s whereabouts.. He can pose no threat to us howev…

Vader - “You failed to me!
*Force grips and squishes GI’s head*

Grand Inquisitor- *screams in pain* No!! Not the mark of my people!! Please!!

Vader- “Don’t fail me again… Onion head”

OMG - I hadn't thought about that! Maybe they are copying this emotional scene from another movie - well, just because it's cool. However, this time it's Obi vs. the GI:

(listen to what she says here, they could copy that immediately, too)

 

[HeartBlade]

HeartBlade

I was originally gonna have this in my previous post but I thought it might add more fuel to the flame, but this is why I hate the idea of the Inquisitors too. Nevermind that they're force-users and wield lightsabers, but if there is an inquisition to be had, it should be from the Imperials and it would make the Empire all the more fearsome. The clones/stormtroopers are more than enough to kill Jedi and it makes it all the more important for Ben to keep out of sight if they are the main power of the universe. The issues of having so many adepts suddenly show up all of a sudden makes Jedi look even worse! They're either easily corruptible at worst or apathetic cowards at best!

It's such a pity that a great opportunity to tell really interesting stories--human stories--within Star Wars isn't being met. People are craving to see it and Mandalorian was proof that we don't need to see Jedi and force-mysticism all the time. There are others in this universe, it would be great to see more stories that showed how other characters coped with the rise and fall of the Empire. That is the same heart that beats in all Westerns: trying and desperate times that call for ordinary people to become extraordinary. Star Wars draws from that well.

But again, it's all too late for that now.

I dont think the inquisitors themselves are bad as a concept but need more management and power.

I understand their need. You want to have an enemy that faces against the jedi who also use lightsabers for the cool fights but Sith have the rule of two and those roles are filled (Sidious and Vader). Sith are also incredibly powerful, stronger than most jedi so to give your third-tier jedi a cool lightsaber fight, use inquisitors (Kanan, etc would easily lose to Vader but could win a fight against the inquisitors).

I also dont think using converted jedi is that bad in concept. It is a dark side form of cruelty to use the very survivors to hunt the remaining survivors, turning the victims against one another.

I think the first problem is like the jedi who survived order 66, there seems to be an unlimited number of inquisitors. Grand inquisitor, nine sisters, constant replacements. This also is linked with Order 66 and the increasing number of jedi who survived. Before it was just a handful of the most skilled and powerful (Yoda and Obi Wan), hence why it was difficult to restart the order and why Luke/Leia was the last hope (two completely untrained potential jedi). Now, there is easily an untapped regiment of potential jedi who could have rebuilt the order while laying low.

The inquisitors are also weak. Maybe its because they always face off against main characters but they tend to just be strong fodder for the jedi. The difficult but defeatable opponents for jedi to practice their skills and show off since they cant take down Vader (for obvious reasons). They really arnt that big a threat (Ashoka took down several by herself) and even struggle against barely trained padawans (Jedi Fallen Order). They need a buff to be taken seriously although I think that is too late now.

 

[Mottrex]

While you make a good point, esp. about the new stories with new characters, I'd argue that just because some here find the writing on these shows to be bad doesn't mean that the majority of viewers are not enjoying these shows thoroughly or find any problems with the writing. You have to remember that the people here and on other similar platforms make up a minority of the viewing populace and most viewers aren't that critical and/or that deeply immersed in the lore.

I dont think the writing is particularly bad.. Its easy to forget we had what a decade or more of zero Media content.. The 80s and 90s was a barren time but what we did have was Novel's lots of Novel's sometimes weak sometimes amazing but always expanding the SW Universe like ST had done before it in the 70s, introducing new characters expanding OG characters, new planets new stories.
My point is you can't always convey to the casual viewer say a character say like Cad Bane who has been around for a long time in the SW Universe but only harden fans will know the significance of them turning up...
Or can you ?
We knew nothing of Fett in 79 but to coin a phrase "Oh My"
The Main gripe was the running time and the disjointed narrative.
If it had lost the Flashbacks but had them instead played out linearly it would have flowed better..

Whats that old song..
I dont like flashbacks in movies

 

[Mottrex]

Remember back in 1999 when TV shows still actually tried?

RIP Jim Henson

Oh man I loved Everything about this show!


Especially....Scorpius!!

 

[joberg]

That sounds interesting..
Imagine Vader realising he made such a huge mistake about Everything and Kenobi just made him angrier... que duel of fates score over Padme's tomb..

That sounds Shakespearian

 

[Psab keel]

That's the thing, the more Jedi who survived the Purge ( I like that far better than Order 66) and the more Inquisotors/ Sith there are it diminishes the role of the Skywalkers, Kenobi, Yoda and the Emperor. Their rarity is what made the Jedi and the Force work as a story element. By making it Jedi survivor of the week and Inquisitor of the week it robs the main story of any agency because there will always be someone else and truly makes Luke and Leia less and less significant. This is the problem of constantly asking for more and not venturing elsewhere in the story.

 

[Joek3rr]

God but look how much better he looks not halfassed. WORLDS more imposing and threatening a form. Sighhhh… what could have easily been

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I do like that we’re at the point with StarWars that we’re relying on a comic artists knowledge/respect of the lore. I like that almost as much as the “its hard to go from animation to Live-action” excuse
Maybe the artist is just lazy and much better at drawing regular human head shapes on the fly to make a quick buck. Because, again, Disney StarWars is Lazy

Oh I know what they can do!
They can have a scene with Vader being displeased with him and squishing his head down to be more round using the force as a punishment

Grand Inquisitor - “My Lord.. We have found no trace of Obi-wan Kenobi’s whereabouts.. He can pose no threat to us howev…

Vader - “You failed to me!
*Force grips and squishes GI’s head*

Grand Inquisitor- *screams in pain* No!! Not the mark of my people!! Please!!

Vader- “Don’t fail me again… Onion head”

But it's important to take in consideration the art form that we first see the Grand Inquisitor in. Rebels is very stylized, and slightly exaggerated.
Stormtroopers don't look like this.

They look like this.

Darth Vader doesn't look like this.

He looks like this.

So why do we expect the Grand Inquisitor yo look exactly like his appearance in Rebels?

But we've seen Pau'ans on screen!

Yep we sure have. And guess what, the Grand Inquisitor already doesn't look like the Pau'ans we've seen. His face nearly white, not grey. And he doesn't have the lines that go through his face. So he already looks vastly different.

Now I'm not saying they couldn't do better. But I'm willing to see more shots of him before I turn my nose up at his live action appearance.

 

[Riceball]

That's the thing, the more Jedi who survived the Purge ( I like that far better than Order 66) and the more Inquisotors/ Sith there are it diminishes the role of the Skywalkers, Kenobi, Yoda and the Emperor. Their rarity is what made the Jedi and the Force work as a story element. By making it Jedi survivor of the week and Inquisitor of the week it robs the main story of any agency because there will always be someone else and truly makes Luke and Leia less and less significant. This is the problem of constantly asking for more and not venturing elsewhere in the story.

I both agree and disagree with you on this. On the one hand, I do feel that it's not entirely unrealistic for a handful of Jedi and Padawan to have escaped Order 66 for any number of reasons. However, the closer that we get in time to ANH, the fewer remaining Jedi and Padawan there should be with maybe only a few outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda still left and in deep hiding, esp. the Padawan who would mostly stand no chance against Imperial forces and Inquisitors. But I do agree that many writers, for Star Wars mediums, are entirely too fond of their Force users, particularly Jedi.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[Pepperbone]

This is going to sound silly, but I figured out why I loved this trailer so much.

1. The score. John Williams' composing is as important as anything else in that franchise, and this trailer argues in favor of that. Duel Of The Fates revving-up on the Lucasfilm title card instantly straightened my posture and de-aged me by about 10 years. Mandalorian and BoBF don't have it, and it makes a difference. Rogue One would have been way up there in my favorite films list if Williams had scored it.
2. The resignation behind the way the first two lines of the trailer are delivered ["The fight is done. We lost."] is, for me, directly lined up with what is arguably my favorite moment in the entire PT. It's that single, slow push-in, respite moment at the end of Ep.III where McGregor perfectly delivers "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." That moment will always give me chills and - not ashamed to say it - choke me up. I didn't love the PT the way I love ANH and ESB, but it was always accepted as a "loving part of the family". However, that moment where Kenobi admits defeat, supported by that score, after the fierce battle that happened before it - and before what happens next - is part of the core of Star Wars.

Until May 25th, I choose the remain optimistic about the series. But I gotta say, this one's gonna hurt if we start seeing Space Vespas and marketing-committee storytelling. Let's hope it doesn't.

 

[Joek3rr]

This is going to sound silly, but I figured out why I loved this trailer so much.

1. The score. John Williams' composing is as important as anything else in that franchise, and this trailer argues in favor of that. Duel Of The Fates revving-up on the Lucasfilm title card instantly straightened my posture and de-aged me by about 10 years. Mandalorian and BoBF don't have it, and it makes a difference. Rogue One would have been way up there in my favorite films list if Williams had scored it.
2. The resignation behind the way the first two lines of the trailer are delivered ["The fight is done. We lost."] is, for me, directly lined up with what is arguably my favorite moment in the entire PT. It's that single, slow push-in, respite moment at the end of Ep.III where McGregor perfectly delivers "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." That moment will always give me chills and - not ashamed to say it - choke me up. I didn't love the PT the way I love ANH and ESB, but it was always accepted as a "loving part of the family". However, that moment where Kenobi admits defeat, supported by that score, after the fierce battle that happened before it - and before what happens next - is part of the core of Star Wars.

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Until May 25th, I choose the remain optimistic about the series. But I gotta say, this one's gonna hurt if we start seeing Space Vespas and marketing-committee storytelling. Let's hope it doesn't.

It was The Battle of the Heroes right at the beginning that did for me..... Just a hint of it. And I was kid with my action figures again listening the ROTS score on CD.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[cboath]

Based on the trailer, hopefully a LOT more potential for interesting supporting characters. The story will be most important, of course, but TBOBF lacked anyone you wanted to learn about or root for/against (or they just quickly them killed off.)

Maybe different guy? Vader kills the old one for failing and this a new guy?

 

[ghostryder]

 

[Ron]

God but look how much better he looks not halfassed. WORLDS more imposing and threatening a form. Sighhhh… what could have easily been

View attachment 1555004
I do like that we’re at the point with StarWars that we’re relying on a comic artists knowledge/respect of the lore. I like that almost as much as the “its hard to go from animation to Live-action” excuse
Maybe the artist is just lazy and much better at drawing regular human head shapes on the fly to make a quick buck. Because, again, Disney StarWars is Lazy

Oh I know what they can do!
They can have a scene with Vader being displeased with him and squishing his head down to be more round using the force as a punishment

Grand Inquisitor - “My Lord.. We have found no trace of Obi-wan Kenobi’s whereabouts.. He can pose no threat to us howev…

Vader - “You failed to me!
*Force grips and squishes GI’s head*

Grand Inquisitor- *screams in pain* No!! Not the mark of my people!! Please!!

Vader- “Don’t fail me again… Onion head”

I understand what Joek3rr is talking about regarding a stylized cartoon design vs real life but this edit really does look miles better.

 

[janglesworthy]

What if there are 2 or 3 variation in skull shape of the species on that planet? Cone Heads, Round Heads, Square Heads? It doesn't bother me that much because at the end of the day Disney wants to sell merch. If that character doesn't have an appealing design no one will buy it and they lose out on sales. The punishment for poor designs is poor merch sales.

 

[HeartBlade]

I agree with Joek3rr that we shouldnt knock it until we try it. To me the inquisitors look good enough and there is a limitation in regard to practicality. Would rather have well done action scenes and acting with a less accurate Inquisitor than bad scenes with an "accurate" inquisitor. Live-action Ahsoka isnt exactly accurate to her cartoon portrayal either.

Im just taking a passive view to see how this one plays out.

I do agree with Psab that this constant increase in the number of jedi survivors is getting silly. Although they could slowly die out like Riceball mentioned, the list of permanent survivors is steadily growing to the point where it doesnt make much sense for the jedi to have not tried to come together and organize some sort of small organization for Luke to take over once he became a jedi himself. The fact that Luke attempted (and failed) to restart the Jedi Order from scratch seems silly given the significant number of jedi that survived with more traditional training and knowledge of the force than Luke.

Also, it makes the ST even weirder. So Ben was strong enough to take out Ashoka, Grogu, Kanan Jarus, and all the other jedi survivors who survived order 66 (so are still quite skilled for surviving a purge) but cant take out completely untrained Finn or Rey? Or was the Last Jedi quote BS with Luke saying he wasnt the last jedi, not referring to Rey but to Ahsoka and crew who were actually chilling in Chapel Island (the Island right next to Temple Island)?

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

How is there a mountain/hill anywhere near the Lars homestead for Obi-Wan to be spying on Luke? They've showed all around and it's flat.

 

[Wolfsburg]

I think it goes without saying that the cartoons are stylized. I think most everyone realizes that. He was a stylized interpretation of the live-action Pau'ans. The problem is the live-action Grand Inquisitor seems pretty far removed from the other live-action Pau'ans his cartoon version was derived from. The point is to understand what was trying to be conveyed and it's clear the Grand Inquisitor was meant to be a slender guy with a gaunt face, even with the exaggerations of the cartoons in mind. Unless our glimpses of him haven't been representative of how he actually appears, they missed the mark on even the basic visual language of the character. We've seen live-action Pau'ans and I would've expected him to at least look similar- tall, slender, with more vertical heads. Similarly, while people gnashed their teeth about Cad Bane not looking like the cartoon character, I would've rather him looked closer to the live-action Duros we've already seen. Sure there will be variations within a species but no need to reinvent the wheel here.

 

[Wolfsburg]

How is there a mountain/hill anywhere near the Lars homestead for Obi-Wan to be spying on Luke? They've showed all around and it's flat.

I've wondered this as well! There's definitely not anything around for many miles. lol! I can only assume those Clone Wars-era macrobinoculars must be very powerful. lol