NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Luke never actually saw the lightsaber ignited…
Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)
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CopperRevan
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Its not about what Vader knew or didn't...it's about what she knew and she wanted to avenge the deaths of the younglings by hitting him where " she thought" it would do the most damage or may prevent the spawn of Anakin to be worse for future generations...I'm not saying that makes sense or I would go there but ....I " think" that is their intention
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I don't think she was in the mental state to make that logical assumption. She was pretty clearly broken and looking for any way to exact some revenge against Anakin.
ID10T
Sr Member
Okay.
So, I FINALLY got to see (the first three episodes) on Father's day. On the computer, but with headphones, so it was okay. I enjoyed it and look forward to seeing the rest.
Anyway, I see the details and derailments discussed here. I can overlook some, and others bother me. The chase scene in the forest really bothers me (and others). That was pure pudoo.
But, I am enjoying it overall. I think Ewan is doing an excellent job, as is little Leia. The third sister doesn't bother me as much as it does some here. She is a bit stiff, but, that could be her internal duality- service to the inquisitors and service to herself. I don't know. I guess we have to wait and see how it plays out. She doesn't deserve and bashing in my opinion.
But, the overpowering "shroud" I see and feel here, is Disney now "owning" the mega-valuable characters from Star Wars, and running free-reign with them. Vader's actions are very out of character for him, or at least, out of character for what we know of him. I think his scene in Rogue One is the same- over the top for the sake of... profit maybe? His actions later in new hope don't reflect that total loss of control and unbridled rage- the duel with Obi-Wan there?. And he didn't show that "behavior" later in the original movies. So I don't like that. I think it's a disservice to the character. Owning the franchise comes with a certain level of responsibility and integrity for the characters. Yes, on new stuff (sequels) you can go off the reservation, and make the characters we know either better or badder, that's fine. But making them different than the way they are later, just doesn't sit right with me.
Good to see Vader, of course, and I think a lot of the "mystique" of the character is knowing what he COULD do, and being in fear of that. SHOWING it all is not as scary. Parallels with "sexy" and "slutty" come to mind...
So, I FINALLY got to see (the first three episodes) on Father's day. On the computer, but with headphones, so it was okay. I enjoyed it and look forward to seeing the rest.
Anyway, I see the details and derailments discussed here. I can overlook some, and others bother me. The chase scene in the forest really bothers me (and others). That was pure pudoo.
But, I am enjoying it overall. I think Ewan is doing an excellent job, as is little Leia. The third sister doesn't bother me as much as it does some here. She is a bit stiff, but, that could be her internal duality- service to the inquisitors and service to herself. I don't know. I guess we have to wait and see how it plays out. She doesn't deserve and bashing in my opinion.
But, the overpowering "shroud" I see and feel here, is Disney now "owning" the mega-valuable characters from Star Wars, and running free-reign with them. Vader's actions are very out of character for him, or at least, out of character for what we know of him. I think his scene in Rogue One is the same- over the top for the sake of... profit maybe? His actions later in new hope don't reflect that total loss of control and unbridled rage- the duel with Obi-Wan there?. And he didn't show that "behavior" later in the original movies. So I don't like that. I think it's a disservice to the character. Owning the franchise comes with a certain level of responsibility and integrity for the characters. Yes, on new stuff (sequels) you can go off the reservation, and make the characters we know either better or badder, that's fine. But making them different than the way they are later, just doesn't sit right with me.
Good to see Vader, of course, and I think a lot of the "mystique" of the character is knowing what he COULD do, and being in fear of that. SHOWING it all is not as scary. Parallels with "sexy" and "slutty" come to mind...
You're right that it couldn't have hurt Vader if she killed them because he didn't know of their existence, BUT, once Vader DID know of Luke, after the Battle of Yavin, he took a great interest in finding him. Supposedly, it was just to train him to help him defeat Palpatine, but that relationship is what ultimately redeemed him.
The only way the end of Jedi works is if there actually WAS good left in him as Padme, Obi Wan, & Luke felt, & the end of Jedi ABSOLUTELY works.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I even said the line out loud
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
So, Obi Wan has had two opportunities to kill Vader and has not.
Somewhere he must have sensed Vader’s struggle against Anakin and thought there was still a hope of redemption and so, he spares him.
That’s why he was crying and apologizing to him.
When he could not bring Anakin back, he steered Luke in that direction. (Albeit, aside from the Vader’s a a bad guy speech in IV)
Somewhere he must have sensed Vader’s struggle against Anakin and thought there was still a hope of redemption and so, he spares him.
That’s why he was crying and apologizing to him.
When he could not bring Anakin back, he steered Luke in that direction. (Albeit, aside from the Vader’s a a bad guy speech in IV)
Absolutely, & I also think she would've revealed it to Vader, somehow, after it was done. That's where her satisfaction would've come from.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I think the overriding theme they were trying to say is that by Reva seeing a defenseless child and NOT being able to go through with it and that being the act that turns Reva in Obi-Wan's sight is that he learns and comes to terms with that is the exact thing that will eventually turn Anakin back as well...Now Obi-Wan finally sees the big picture that Luke will be used to complete the redemption of Anakin and its gone from " knowing" the prophecy of the chosen one to " seeing" it play out. He now can " see" Qui-gon " who represents the initial hope for Anakin and now Obi-Wan appears more " chill" because he understands the prophecy more fully. That will explain why Obi-Wan seems like he's manipulating Luke to get involved in the fight. Fast forward to Luke throwing down his lightsaber and not giving in to the dark side as Vader witnessing him defenseless against Palpatine and that ultimately turns him to the good just as Reva did. Again, not saying it all makes sense but I think this is what they were going for.
Re-watching, Reva says to Owen while hunting Luke that she wants 'Justice' (implied for what Anakin did to her)
That was great. A few nitpicks below, because I'm never not going to have them. But it was great. Worth suffering a few disappointments to get there. I think it worked to hold back using OT themes until this episode. Gave them more impact. Likewise "hello there". Very nice depiction of a Sidi Driss in good upkeep.
Great dialogue during the saber battle. One tweak I would make would be for Obi-Wan to address Anakin by name earlier, during the first half (before the helmet damage), and suggest he still has good in him. To tie in with "Obi-Wan once thought as you do". It does make sense, though for Obi-Wan to no longer think so by the end of the battle, to justify what he told Luke later, and his desire for Luke to kill him. Since he is in that state of mind at the end of it, though, it would make more sense for Obi-Wan to finish him, but then... well, talk about a break in continuity!
Unpleasant TLJ vibes during the ridiculous extended space chase. That could've been tightened way down. And SDs have other ships aboard, why not chase BOTH craft? And I'm not terribly impressed with the actor playing the leader of that group.
In AOTC, there was another aircraft by the garage (next to the elevated walkway) where Luke's skyhopper would be in ANH. It might've been fun for Luke to use that to escape but for Reva to damage it. Also, there's another way out of that garage, because the family speeder is in there in ANH (Threepio hides behind it).
The farm has always been depicted surrounded by desert all the way to the horizon. Never with a canyon within sight, no less within walking distance.
Great dialogue during the saber battle. One tweak I would make would be for Obi-Wan to address Anakin by name earlier, during the first half (before the helmet damage), and suggest he still has good in him. To tie in with "Obi-Wan once thought as you do". It does make sense, though for Obi-Wan to no longer think so by the end of the battle, to justify what he told Luke later, and his desire for Luke to kill him. Since he is in that state of mind at the end of it, though, it would make more sense for Obi-Wan to finish him, but then... well, talk about a break in continuity!
Unpleasant TLJ vibes during the ridiculous extended space chase. That could've been tightened way down. And SDs have other ships aboard, why not chase BOTH craft? And I'm not terribly impressed with the actor playing the leader of that group.
In AOTC, there was another aircraft by the garage (next to the elevated walkway) where Luke's skyhopper would be in ANH. It might've been fun for Luke to use that to escape but for Reva to damage it. Also, there's another way out of that garage, because the family speeder is in there in ANH (Threepio hides behind it).
The farm has always been depicted surrounded by desert all the way to the horizon. Never with a canyon within sight, no less within walking distance.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
There was a canyon before the tectonic shift of ABY 624.
IIRC they show Ben riding off after meeting Luke in an open desert, then it cuts to show Ben riding with the canyon ahead of him. The scenes are not cut as a though-line, it's possible Ben rode for hours away from the Lars homestead before he comes up on the canyon.
I had unpleasant OT vibes during the space chase scene.
I mean, one small ship evading a Star Destroyer with canons firing and the only thing keeping the small space ship from being destroyed are the rear shields and some fancy flying? They expect us to believe that? Especially after they tried to fool us with the exact same scene twice in ESB with the Falcon escaping Hoth and again when the Falcon is escaping the asteroid field.
I felt this joke was implied, and was really hoping he wouldnt actually say it lol.
Overall i think they stuck the landing.
