AnubisGuard
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Andrew Stanton has a "story by" credit? Holy cow. I'd love to know the story behind that.
Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)
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Rexermus
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I got chills
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Overall I think a lot of us know what to expect from this show. A couple of 'cool' moments and some reasonable performances that are let down by the writing and budgetary constraints.
Parts of the duel were good (there were some powerful moments as mentioned above) and I liked Ewan to the point where throughout the series I'd have preferred to have more breathing room where the action or imminent peril receded, and we could have had scenes where Obi-Wan could relax a little (and be more like how we see him in ANH) rather than being in a permanently stressed out.
I enjoyed seeing more of Owen and Beru - glad that Bonnie Piesse had some lines this time. I noticed that the most engaging moments for me were whenever John Williams' themes stirred up in the background. I don't know if that is intelligent use of music, or cheap exploitation of our conditioning, but appreciated nonetheless.
I also enjoy writing down all the things that didn't make sense to me. These kind of things don't make me 'hate' a show, but it leaves me befuddled as to why the writers simply couldn't have made it better, rather than putting themselves into a corner or a logic-free zone.
Anyway, that list was longer than I expected. I didn't hate it, didn't love it. I'll watch it again with my wife over the weekend, but as previous episodes have proven, it's a great way for her to get an afternoon nap....
Until Season 2!
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Parts of the duel were good (there were some powerful moments as mentioned above) and I liked Ewan to the point where throughout the series I'd have preferred to have more breathing room where the action or imminent peril receded, and we could have had scenes where Obi-Wan could relax a little (and be more like how we see him in ANH) rather than being in a permanently stressed out.
I enjoyed seeing more of Owen and Beru - glad that Bonnie Piesse had some lines this time. I noticed that the most engaging moments for me were whenever John Williams' themes stirred up in the background. I don't know if that is intelligent use of music, or cheap exploitation of our conditioning, but appreciated nonetheless.
I also enjoy writing down all the things that didn't make sense to me. These kind of things don't make me 'hate' a show, but it leaves me befuddled as to why the writers simply couldn't have made it better, rather than putting themselves into a corner or a logic-free zone.
1) How did Reva get from Jabiim to Tatooine? Did the Empire kindly leave her ship, topped up with Coaxium (TM)?
2) Why does the Empire refuse to use TIE fighters under any circumstances? Again, is it due to the rising price of Coaxium (TM)?
3) Was it just me or did the Star Destroyer look tiny (compared to what we're used to) while chasing the transport?
4) Did the 'Path' group ever think about using the ship from episode 4, which clearly had a working hyperdrive to have got them to Jabiim, as their primary escape vessel, rather than using it as the decoy and flying off in one that was broken down...
5) A hangover from the previous episode, but why does Darth Vader tolerate the Grand Inquisitor? He was taken down by Reva - surely that would severely lower him in anyone's book
6) Wasn't it lucky that the first person Reva encounters knew who Owen was and where exactly he lived. And then knew exactly where to find him on the day he happened to be in town when he was shopping for speeder parts.
7) What the hell was Reva's plan? Kill Luke? Why? To get revenge on Obi-Wan somehow? Bail's message didn't actually say what the significance of Luke and Leia was, so to her surely he's just some random kid who Obi-Wan may have been protecting because he was Force sensitive?
8) The fight scene between Obi-Wan and Vader was generally pretty good, but one of the best things about previous fights in Star Wars has been setting up the environment. E.g. the Carbon Freezing Chamber, the lava fields on Mustafar, the Theed Generator complex. All these environments add another dimension to the fight that you just don't get when fighting in a wide empty space in the Volume.
9) How was Obi-Wan not crushed to death by those rocks? Maybe if it had left it a bit more ambiguous as to how they fell, but they were right in his face!
10) Conversely, why is Vader semi-immune to massive rock strikes?
11) There were comments earlier in the thread about the potential of the TFU style battle-damaged Vader. I bet Vader eventually will think, why does this always keep happening to me in exactly the same way (e.g. vs. Ahsoka in Rebels). Bet he's glad for that helmet. At least he didn't get back up and fight on as I'm in the camp that he should be dying at that point.
12) If Obi-Wan truly believed Anakin to now have been completely destroyed by Darth Vader, why didn't he finish him and save the galaxy from all the evil he had the potential to do?
13) Wait if Obi-Wan's ship had a working hyperdrive, why didn't the Path put the refugees onto it and immediately escape? I bet they would have all fit in if they crammed. After all, it looked about the same size as the cargo hold of the main transport!
14) Do you think in ANH when Obi-Wan tells Luke about the Force, he was actually thinking 'So that's what was causing all that noise and ruckus when the scary lady with the red glow stick came to visit... She was certainly weird looking for a sand person...'
15) Ever since TFA, I really dislike how lightspeed now seems to get you from A to B instantaneously, such as Obi-Wan to Tatooine in time to join the party.
15) Reva is surely now a massive security risk. Who knows who she'd blab to, especially if captured. They should have made her stay with Obi-Wan. I smell a sitcom...
16) I hope they didn't leave Reva's lightsaber in the sand there. That could be a hazard for 10 year old boys...
17) Empire decided not to check in with Bail given that they all knew his daughter had been kidnapped and see if he had any light to shed on proceedings?
18) I'd have liked to have seen Haja living it up on Alderaan with a big reward for having brought Leia home. Missed opportunity.
19) Another missed opportunity for a MASSIVE Emperor hologram. I think that once Emperor, Palpatine would only ever have wanted to appear in MASSIVE form. After all he clearly had one installed in Vader's meditation chamber (space bedroom) so I bet he could have had a word with the contractors who built Vader's castle to slip one in there.
20) Finally, I saw Liam Neeson in something else recently (Derry Girls - a Northern Irish sitcom, proving no part is too small for him!) and he didn't look as weird as he did here. Why was he squinting?! Why didn't he have more lines?!
2) Why does the Empire refuse to use TIE fighters under any circumstances? Again, is it due to the rising price of Coaxium (TM)?
3) Was it just me or did the Star Destroyer look tiny (compared to what we're used to) while chasing the transport?
4) Did the 'Path' group ever think about using the ship from episode 4, which clearly had a working hyperdrive to have got them to Jabiim, as their primary escape vessel, rather than using it as the decoy and flying off in one that was broken down...
5) A hangover from the previous episode, but why does Darth Vader tolerate the Grand Inquisitor? He was taken down by Reva - surely that would severely lower him in anyone's book
6) Wasn't it lucky that the first person Reva encounters knew who Owen was and where exactly he lived. And then knew exactly where to find him on the day he happened to be in town when he was shopping for speeder parts.
7) What the hell was Reva's plan? Kill Luke? Why? To get revenge on Obi-Wan somehow? Bail's message didn't actually say what the significance of Luke and Leia was, so to her surely he's just some random kid who Obi-Wan may have been protecting because he was Force sensitive?
8) The fight scene between Obi-Wan and Vader was generally pretty good, but one of the best things about previous fights in Star Wars has been setting up the environment. E.g. the Carbon Freezing Chamber, the lava fields on Mustafar, the Theed Generator complex. All these environments add another dimension to the fight that you just don't get when fighting in a wide empty space in the Volume.
9) How was Obi-Wan not crushed to death by those rocks? Maybe if it had left it a bit more ambiguous as to how they fell, but they were right in his face!
10) Conversely, why is Vader semi-immune to massive rock strikes?
11) There were comments earlier in the thread about the potential of the TFU style battle-damaged Vader. I bet Vader eventually will think, why does this always keep happening to me in exactly the same way (e.g. vs. Ahsoka in Rebels). Bet he's glad for that helmet. At least he didn't get back up and fight on as I'm in the camp that he should be dying at that point.
12) If Obi-Wan truly believed Anakin to now have been completely destroyed by Darth Vader, why didn't he finish him and save the galaxy from all the evil he had the potential to do?
13) Wait if Obi-Wan's ship had a working hyperdrive, why didn't the Path put the refugees onto it and immediately escape? I bet they would have all fit in if they crammed. After all, it looked about the same size as the cargo hold of the main transport!
14) Do you think in ANH when Obi-Wan tells Luke about the Force, he was actually thinking 'So that's what was causing all that noise and ruckus when the scary lady with the red glow stick came to visit... She was certainly weird looking for a sand person...'
15) Ever since TFA, I really dislike how lightspeed now seems to get you from A to B instantaneously, such as Obi-Wan to Tatooine in time to join the party.
15) Reva is surely now a massive security risk. Who knows who she'd blab to, especially if captured. They should have made her stay with Obi-Wan. I smell a sitcom...
16) I hope they didn't leave Reva's lightsaber in the sand there. That could be a hazard for 10 year old boys...
17) Empire decided not to check in with Bail given that they all knew his daughter had been kidnapped and see if he had any light to shed on proceedings?
18) I'd have liked to have seen Haja living it up on Alderaan with a big reward for having brought Leia home. Missed opportunity.
19) Another missed opportunity for a MASSIVE Emperor hologram. I think that once Emperor, Palpatine would only ever have wanted to appear in MASSIVE form. After all he clearly had one installed in Vader's meditation chamber (space bedroom) so I bet he could have had a word with the contractors who built Vader's castle to slip one in there.
20) Finally, I saw Liam Neeson in something else recently (Derry Girls - a Northern Irish sitcom, proving no part is too small for him!) and he didn't look as weird as he did here. Why was he squinting?! Why didn't he have more lines?!
Anyway, that list was longer than I expected. I didn't hate it, didn't love it. I'll watch it again with my wife over the weekend, but as previous episodes have proven, it's a great way for her to get an afternoon nap....
Until Season 2!
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Well, it's over, & here's my brutality honest opinion...
This show was NOT GOOD as a whole.
There were incredibly bad decisions in both storytelling & execution. It seems as if those responsible (I refuse to use the term 'creators') came up with a generic 'Kidnapping that needs a legend to come out of retirement' story & then shoehorned a list of characters into it.
As far as characters go, Reva was absolutely pointless. Her arc has been told in one form or another, IN the Star Wars universe, In MUCH better ways, time & time again. Now, that being said, I think a good story could be told with her, but only if it's wholly original& AWAY from anything we already know.
The'Legacy' characters were all performed incredibly well, even if the story they were serving barely deserved it. If I pulled the scenes with them (Kenobi, Owen, Beru, Vader, Leia) out of this show, & only watched them as 'flashbacks', I could completely enjoy them.
I do believe that a season 2 could work, based on the ending, since it would seem that anything tying into an established story has been wrapped up. We now have 8 years to tell independent KENOBI stories.
Finally, I'm ashamed to say that the scenes that were designed to hit the nostalgia, DID hit the mark with me & I had a couple of teary, smiling moments, so if you're NOT drinking it, the Kool-Aid was grape flavored today.
Bottom line, I'll watch certain scenes again, as I enjoyed those performances or the action in them, but for the first time, I won't go back & watch the show as a whole. I know that some (I'm looking at you Psab) will say that I'm part of the problem, because I don't reject this completely, but as I've said before, when it comes to SW, I'm a 'take the meat & throw out the bones' kinda man.
Now... More importantly... Anybody have any idea when Romans second round of KENOBI hills are shipping?!?!?!
LOL
This show was NOT GOOD as a whole.
There were incredibly bad decisions in both storytelling & execution. It seems as if those responsible (I refuse to use the term 'creators') came up with a generic 'Kidnapping that needs a legend to come out of retirement' story & then shoehorned a list of characters into it.
As far as characters go, Reva was absolutely pointless. Her arc has been told in one form or another, IN the Star Wars universe, In MUCH better ways, time & time again. Now, that being said, I think a good story could be told with her, but only if it's wholly original& AWAY from anything we already know.
The'Legacy' characters were all performed incredibly well, even if the story they were serving barely deserved it. If I pulled the scenes with them (Kenobi, Owen, Beru, Vader, Leia) out of this show, & only watched them as 'flashbacks', I could completely enjoy them.
I do believe that a season 2 could work, based on the ending, since it would seem that anything tying into an established story has been wrapped up. We now have 8 years to tell independent KENOBI stories.
Finally, I'm ashamed to say that the scenes that were designed to hit the nostalgia, DID hit the mark with me & I had a couple of teary, smiling moments, so if you're NOT drinking it, the Kool-Aid was grape flavored today.
Bottom line, I'll watch certain scenes again, as I enjoyed those performances or the action in them, but for the first time, I won't go back & watch the show as a whole. I know that some (I'm looking at you Psab) will say that I'm part of the problem, because I don't reject this completely, but as I've said before, when it comes to SW, I'm a 'take the meat & throw out the bones' kinda man.
Now... More importantly... Anybody have any idea when Romans second round of KENOBI hills are shipping?!?!?!
LOL
One of the Bounty Hunters er Fifth brothers is disarmed by a mysterious Jedi like bear and gets eaten by an Aspidistra..
I loved it. I don't have a long list of questions that I feel I need to have answers to to have enjoyed it. I could 'question-to-death' all my favorite movies and TV shows (Marvel, LOTR, Harry Potter, etc...) but then I probably wouldn't like them very much. I like entertainment that entertains me and makes me feel connected with stories and connected with characters, and entertainment that lifts me up emotionally and spiritually as a person.
I watched the show, I liked the show, my eyes got a little watery at a few points during EP6, I thought it was great.
I'll defiantly re-watch this series multiple times. If you didn't like EP6 and/or you didn't like the Kenobi series overall, I'm sorry. More Star Wars for me, less Star Wars for you I guess.
I watched the show, I liked the show, my eyes got a little watery at a few points during EP6, I thought it was great.
I'll defiantly re-watch this series multiple times. If you didn't like EP6 and/or you didn't like the Kenobi series overall, I'm sorry. More Star Wars for me, less Star Wars for you I guess.
Usagi my friend you sir are NEVER a problem. I'm glad you found something to enjoy in this show and your willingness to give each new story a chance.
Contrary to popular belief when I say that I'm glad people enjoy this, I'm being totally sincere. I don't understand why they enjoy it, but I'm not looking to hate on anyone for liking or not liking a TV show/ movie. My opinions are my own. I don't speak for everyone and I never claim to.
I know I come on strong. It's only because I'm passionate about writing and storytelling.
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I was just referring to your point, & a good one, that if people keep showing up for an interior product, then there'll be no incentive for the creators to step up their storytelling game.
Being a SW fan today is much like having kids... You absolutely LOVE them with all your heart, but there are times that they disappoint you. You're always there & will NEVER turn your back on them, but there are honest times when you just don't LIKE them very much.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I haven't watched yet. Thanks for your honesty and...STOP OBSESSING ABOUT THAT SABER!!! ...LOL.
Yeah right... Try telling the junkie down the street to stop thinking about meth.
LOL
CopperRevan
Master Member
Honestly, I'm the same way...I've been waiting for the new KOTOR and a stinkin' Mudhorn for Fffoooorrrreeeeevvveerrr!
Mudhorn for my son
ConvergencePro
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Well that was a whole rollercoaster of ******* crazy writing from start to finish..
I gotta watch it again because I genuinely got myself into a laughing fit at one point
Also grease fires are no joke ppl
Kenobi totally just took advantage of this horrible accident and blamed it on the Empire
I gotta watch it again because I genuinely got myself into a laughing fit at one point
Also grease fires are no joke ppl
Kenobi totally just took advantage of this horrible accident and blamed it on the Empire
nwjedidave
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pretty f$%^ing cheap to wait until the final third of the series to start playing some of the classic music. And yes I teared up!
I actually don't think they should've played that ONE iconic theme, since it wasn't in ANH, but.... Yeah, those cues hit me pretty hard as well.
