Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

Yup completely different personas… i loved that the Bee droid has abandonment issues. Constantly asking people to stay… not wanting to leave. He’s great.

Plus he has a stutter, which K2SO didn’t have

And since K2 was the only thing about rogue one i dug - Looking forward to a return.

I saw a thing today saying season2 will be faster paced… noooo! I like Ridley Scott Star Wars. It’s slow and boring but sometimes that’s what I want in my sci-fi!

I'm hoping faster pace means we'll start seeing some more Rebel missions. I don't want big battles, but seeing some actual James Bond stuff would be pretty cool. Other than ROTJ, Rogue One, books, and videogames, we really haven't seen much of Rebel special forces, so if they do it right it would be cool.
 
Why Nemik's manifest ends with, "try." Of course it's a deliberate reference (on the part of the writer, not the character) to Yoda's, "Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try."

It contradicts Yoda to describe the fundamental difference between the struggle of the Jedi and the struggle of "blue collar" rebels.

"Do" is the mantra for the brave who go to war in order to manifest their destiny in victory.
"Try" is the cry of those oppressed who, in the face of impossible odds, have no choice but to fight.
 
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Why Nemik's manifest ends with, "try." Of course it's a deliberate reference (on the part of the writer, not the character) to Yoda's, "Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try."

They contradict Yoda to bring out the fundamental difference between the struggle of the Jedi and the struggle of "blue collar" rebels.

"Do" is the mantra for the brave who go to war in order to manifest a destiny in victory.
"Try" is the cry of those oppressed who, even in the face of impossible odds, have no choice but to fight.
I love your distinction of "Do" and "Try":love:
 
Can anyone pinpoint what it is about the character of Andor people dislike? It's a common theme with friends and people online I'm noticing more and more. Is it a lack of charisma, his speach pattern and consistent out of breath dialog delivery, the stomach ulcer facial expression...?
Is it people would rather Andor be more a rogue and brash character VS the easy to ignore little guy that doesn't stand out in a crowd?

If so, it's actually perfect casting. Consider his self serving actions and criminal nature. Thats the Andor we see and know in the series. What tarnishs that is the mother. Had he been an actual orphan VS someone that's been taken in by a stand in family with morals i think his character would be more accepted. The attempt to make him into a hustler and NOT a strait up criminal is the weakness.
Many expected a Rey Skypatine or a Jar Jar...
 
random thoughts:

Diego Luna acting as Cassian Andor doesn't dive headlong into his lines. To me, he can convey a deeper inner monologue. I can't fault anyone for whom the same dissociative behavior simply comes across as vacuous instead, but all I can say is that it works for me.

As an interesting side note, some actors (even mediocre ones) have an innate quality that can project layers of introspection, whether intentional or not. Marlon Brando was a legendary method actor who had interesting cadences and breaks in his dialogue seemingly driven by an elaborate emotional narrative. He would later confess that a lot of the time he was pausing because he was trying to remember his line. I don't know if he was just pulling our leg because he just didn't want to talk about his process (which wouldn't be unlike him), but I think it's just as plausible that it is in his bag of tricks to manufacture the effect.


In Rogue One I never thought Diego Luna was "boring." e.g. I really liked his delivery of, "I've been in this fight since I was six years old!" When he was confronted by Jyn about his mission to assassinate her father, Cassian was uncomfortable and trying to avoid confrontation by being dismissive. At the same time Luna's acting conveyed inner conflict that he still wasn't sure if he made the right choice by not shooting Galen Erso. Now that I think about it, you can say that up to the very moment where he decided not to pull the trigger on Galen Erso, Cassian had been operating with the moral expedience of his mentor, Luthen. This moment in Rogue One would have been a turning point where he is inspired to become more than Luthen and start to have faith in people and follow his humanity again.

Another side note. Andor indirectly addresses the apparent discrepancy with that line in Rogue One about him being in the fight since he was six. Clearly, the truth is that he's actually been avoiding "the fight" for most of his life. And the empire wasn't even around when he was six. Andor addresses this by showing how, under stress, Cassian will stretch the truth to cover up weaknesses in his character. In episode 4 he tells Luthen he fought in Mimban for two years when he was 16, but Luthen reveals he was actually a cook for 6 months and didn't fight but ran.

So in Rogue One he was simply exaggerating to Jyn in a verbal retaliation to being cornered by her: "Suddenly the Rebellion is real for you. Some of us live it. I've been in this fight since I was six years old. You're not the only one who lost everything. Some of us just decided to do something about it."
 
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random thoughts:

Diego Luna acting as Cassian Andor doesn't dive headlong into his lines. To me, he can convey a deeper inner monologue. I can't fault anyone for whom the same dissociative behavior simply comes across as vacuous instead, but all I can say is that it works for me.

As an interesting side note, some actors (even mediocre ones) have an innate quality that can project layers of introspection, whether intentional or not. Marlon Brando was a legendary method actor who had interesting cadences and breaks in his dialogue seemingly driven by an elaborate emotional narrative. He would later confess that a lot of the time he was pausing because he was trying to remember his line. I don't know if he was just pulling our leg because he just didn't want to talk about his process (which wouldn't be unlike him), but I think it's just as plausible that it is in his bag of tricks to manufacture the effect.


In Rogue One I never thought Diego Luna was "boring." e.g. I really liked his delivery of, "I've been in this fight since I was six years old!" When he was confronted by Jyn about his mission to assassinate her father, Cassian was uncomfortable and trying to avoid confrontation by being dismissive. At the same time Luna's acting conveyed inner conflict that he still wasn't sure if he made the right choice by not shooting Galen Erso. Now that I think about it, you can say that up to the very moment where he decided not to pull the trigger on Galen Erso, Cassian had been operating with the moral expedience of his mentor, Luthen. This moment in Rogue One would have been a turning point where he is inspired to become more than Luthen and start to have faith in people and follow his humanity again.

Another side note. Andor indirectly addresses the apparent discrepancy with that line in Rogue One about him being in the fight since he was six. Clearly, the truth is that he's actually been avoiding "the fight" for most of his life. And the empire wasn't even around when he was six. Andor addresses this by showing how, under stress, Cassian will stretch the truth to cover up weaknesses in his character. In episode 4 he tells Luthen he fought in Mimban for two years when he was 16, but Luthen reveals he was actually a cook for 6 months and didn't fight but ran.

So in Rogue One he was simply exaggerating to Jyn in a verbal retaliation to being cornered by her: "Suddenly the Rebellion is real for you. Some of us live it. I've been in this fight since I was six years old. You're not the only one who lost everything. Some of us just decided to do something about it."
Beware of still waters;)
 
I thought that might be the case, but that droid seems like it has a lot more sympathy than K2 did. I think that shows how bad, IMO, Lando's droid in SOLO was that I didn't care one way or another about it getting killed. In fact I don't even remember Lando's droid's name at all. OTOH, I felt bad for K2 when he died holding off the Stormtroopers and for the Andor droid when it didn't want to leave the house after its master died.


As for any backlash, I haven't really seen it. I've seen people say it wasn't for them, it was too slow, it didn't feel like SW (probably pacing as well), etc. I also saw a pretty good take by The Critical Drinker who said it was actually the best SW show so far (I'd argue Mando holds that title), but it came out at the wrong time. He argued if it came out before BoBF or Obi-Wan it may have gotten a better spot in the ratings because people have SW fatigue or are just put off by what Lucasfilm is doing with the shows/movies.

I seriously wish I had time to watch this series
 
If you enjoyed this show like I'd HIGHLY recommend re-watching it. I'm 1/2 way through my second viewing and I'm noticing little things I missed the first time, or small things that relate later on in the plot. Cassian's look of shellshock and disbelief as her realizes he in prison for the foreseeable future when he first gets to Narkina 5 is some great acting without saying a word.
 
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If you enjoyed this show like I di I HIGHLY recommend re-watching it. I'm 1/2 way through my second viewing and I'm noticing little things I missed the first time, or small things that relate later on in the plot. Cassian's look of shellshock and disbelief as her realizes he in prison for the foreseeable future when he first gets to Narkina 5 is some great acting without saying a word.
That's my plan as soon as I'm free for the holidays.
 
I recommend watching ‘Rogue One’ again after finishing Series 1 of ‘Andor’

Definitely the two best Disney productions

There’s so much weight to them

J

This show is exactly why I don't judge movies/series by concept or trailers or guys with bed pans on their heads whining about KK....

Been stating for years that I HATE Rogue One and Cassian Andor was the lamest most one dimensional miserable character...

I freakin LOVED Andor. I'm almost willing to say it's the best Star Wars since The O.T. and Cassian is now one of my fave characters. The series was so good I blew through it in a weekend.

Everything from the casting to the costumes... the BLASTER (Brayer?)... the pacing, the tone... the dialogue...

Standout moments probably talked to death already....

- Andor killing that guy for suggesting they steal the 800,000....
- the hologram rally cry at the end...
- Andy Sirkis moment "How many guards on each level" "never more than 12"
- Bix...
- Mon Mothmas crappy marriage
- duel Luthens
- New great Droid
- The meteor shower shot while tie pilots get in their ships
- that whole heist
- the prison break
- the Empire is terrifying again.

It almost seems ludicrous watching this that a magic man who can move stuff with his mind and cuts up people with a laser sword is the one who ends the Empire... Luke Ex Machina.

I loved it and hope they don't mess up Season 2.

And Jeez... this all leads to the movie I put below the prequels... Cassian is not gonna feel like the same character in continuity.
One can definitely say that Luke is a one trick pony. See also Indiana Jones. Take him out of Raiders of the Lost Ark and nothing would change. The only time a character really needs to have actual deep character development is when we see them grow up. Some characters are just along for the ride like the audience.
 
I still disagree that if you take Indy out of Raiders the story ends the same way. It doesn't. Indy was the only person who knew where Abner/Marion/Headpiece was. Toht followed Indy to Nepal, he didn't just happen to be on the same airplane. Without Indy no one would've found the headpiece. Could the Nazis have dug for years in Tanis and eventually found the Ark? Maybe, but that is not the point.
 
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I still disagree that if you take Indy out of Raiders the story ends the same way. It doesn't. Indy was the only person who knew where Abner/Marion/Headpiece was. Toht followed Indy to Nepal, he didn't just happen to be on the same airplane. Without Indy no one would've found the headpiece. Could the Nazis have dug for years in Tanis and eventually found the Ark? Maybe, but that is not the point.
Agreed.
(I used to think it was Toht on the plane, but it's Dennis Muren. ;) )
 
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