Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

[modelcitizen]

his adoptive mother told him to stop looking for his sister and let it go. he said nothing. i don't think he's going to give that up.
like said, at the moment he seems to have more immediate concerns....

 

[AJK001]

I'm going to come out and say it. I'm not really feeling this show. I'll keep watching it for the same reasons I watched Booba, Obi, the PT's and the ST's. It's Star Wars. I guess I'm one of those that don't like the slow pace and feel it needs a bit more action, I'm also not a fan of prison movies/shows.

 

[modelcitizen]

it's not everybodys "cup of tea" i reckon.
something tells me he's not going to be doing the whole 6 years and he's not going to just saunter out.

 

[joberg]

I'm going to come out and say it. I'm not really feeling this show. I'll keep watching it for the same reasons I watched Booba, Obi, the PT's and the ST's. It's Star Wars. I guess I'm one of those that don't like the slow pace and feel it needs a bit more action, I'm also not a fan of prison movies/shows.

Well then; you've achieved a Zen life approach to life: it's not feeling good, but it's not feeling bad either

 

[JediG60racer]

Well this electrified floor prison idea seems it would never pass muster in today's cultural acceptance of the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause meaning anything other than harsh words, but it seems pretty effective. Like something the French would have instituted in a modern Chateau D'if

Would not surprise me if "Kleya" turned out to be Leia working her Rebel side hustle while Bail is doing senator things on Coruscant.

 

[CT1138]

When somebody lowkey begins suggesting torturing petty crime prisoners...

 

[Analyzer]

A question for everyone--

My wife and I stopped watching Andor the episode before the heist. We agreed that it was immeasurably superior to the other SW shows, but the nominal protagonist, Andor, was the most passive and least fleshed out of all the characters. We simply didn't give a womprat's ass about him, especially after the goal of finding his sister was utterly forgotten after the first episode.

Has that changed for the better in the subsequent episodes, or is Andor still a rudderless cipher?

It's funny, I had a friend the same way He saw the first episode and said it was "interminable" and he was not going to watch anymore unless someone could give him a good reason.

I convinced him to give it a few more episodes and he was like , ooh wait, no one told me Mon Mothma was in this and steals the show

Gist is the whole opening with Andor just did not hook some people in and despite him being the namesake character, it feels like people are more excited about the things going on around him and other characters then they are about his own backstory

 

[ZeroSum]

Boy, some people really do have a short attention span these days.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Boy, some people really do have a short attention span these days.

I only got through the first half of this post…

 

[modelcitizen]

Boy, some people really do have a short attention span these days.

i bet Ben's hut and the deathstar conference room scenes drive 'em bonkers....

 

[ZeroSum]

Or that whole "blah blah torpedo down the exhaust blah blah" bit. Just hurry up and get to the VROOM VROOM BLAM BLAM KAPOWWIE already!

Hey wait... torpedo is an awfully terran term. Couldn't they have come up with a term that doesn't remind me of earth so much? How about a Garganglian ZippyBoosh?

 

[modelcitizen]

aye and who wants to watch blue milk breakfast with the lars....

 

[Analyzer]

Boy, some people really do have a short attention span these days.

To be fair, it wasn't because it was a character building drama, it was because he claimed there was nothing there to convince him why Cassian was a character he should be invested in or care about

To each his own. I can understand where he is coming from even if I do not agree

 

[ProfKSergeev]

To be fair, it wasn't because it was a character building drama, it was because he claimed there was nothing there to convince him why Cassian was a character he should be invested in or care about

To each his own. I can understand where he is coming from even if I do not agree

Analyzer, your friend's opinion mirrors my own, but if people want to assume we don't like Andor because we have short attention spans, whatever.

To elaborate a bit on this unpopular opinion--

I appreciate the show's deliberate pace, especially when most corporate-backed entertainment is going hard in the opposite direction. I also appreciate how much thought has been put into the characters. Everyone (except the title character) has a compelling goal, motivation, and richly developed personal life. Syril, Luthen, and Mothma are the obvious standouts, but even tertiary characters get some shading.

But for whatever reason, Gilroy's blind spot seems to be Andor himself. He lacks everything the other characters possess in spades and gets pushed around by them and the plot without ever pushing back (at least in the first five episodes that I saw; if that situation changes, great). A boring, directionless ****-up just isn't a compelling hero to my taste.

 

[joberg]

Well, he point-blank-gunned-down that other guy didn't he? I'm sure his life experiences are growing at a fast rate and he's keeping a low profile into that prison setting...so far

 

[JediG60racer]

Anyone else rooting for the ambitious dishonored security guard to find his way into the ISB?
So far he's the character I like the most in this entire series. Just a dude who wants to do his job really well, who has had bad bosses and a lack of proper coaching. Keep after it, dude. Keep going.

 

[RodanAZ]

I think Cassian is being written as a little rudderless on purpose. We have yet to see the moment where the lightbulb comes on, and decides he's 'all-in' on the rebellion. All the groundwork is there, he's just still in a state of 'existing' hand-to-mouth until that moment comes.

Coming from Rogue One, where he tells Jyn he's 'been in this fight' since he was 6 years old, there's a bit of a disconnect, but I'm also starting to understand that Cassian isn't always completely honest with himself.

After Obi-Wan, I wasn't all that motivated to watch Andor, but have to say I've been pleasantly surprised. AK-47s and track suits aside, it's been pretty darn good.

 

[alluvial damper]

Cassian is a spy (in R1), he can - and will - say anything for the cause. The line "I've been in this fight since I was six years old", do add up though

"The fight" is the fight against oppression, not just the Empire. And we see him as a kid, without parents, rather early on. He most probably lost his parents when he was ... six years old

But then Luthen also knows he is embellishing his past

Cassian is a mystery even if we know the outcome

And the whole damn TV series is about unraveling that mystery (<-- JJ Abrams please take notes)

Very good writing

 

[alluvial damper]

One thing I'm curious about is the often stated phrase that "I'm not a Starwars fan" by Gilroy (plenty of articles, easy to google)

But this part from an interview in SFZ Magazine, relayed on a Reddit thread :

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/wl0sdg

Does indeed seem that he has a deep knowledge of SW. I mean he's probably not cosplaying as the Icecream Bespin guy in his sparetime, but all that Mon Mothma and the layers of SW lore is not something a casual SW fan would come up with, no?

Do we know what SW nerds he is working with? And would any of those also have been working on the other abysmal Disney series?

 

[ZeroSum]

I'm sure Pablo himself would have filled him in on a lot of the stuff he has to know.