Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)

From what I've experienced, you have the people that don't know/refuse to comprehend the difference between 'animation' & 'cartoon'. They usually haven't given it a chance, but I can't think of anyone that's actually watched REBELS that didn't love it.

I've said it before & I'll die on this hill, but, ANIMATION IS A MEDIUM, NOT A GENRE!

Then you have the Filoni haters, the "OT ENDED STAR WARS" purists, the Mickey Mouse is the Antichrist folks, all of which have valid points, but a lot of them just haven't given it a chance.
I watched & loved the original Cartoon Network Clone Wars with my son, loved the build up to Revenge of the Sith, took him to see The Clone Wars animated movie at the cinema, & we were both very disappointed
I tried (without my son) to watch the Lucas & Filoni cartoons, but I just couldn’t get into them, I mentioned this on the RPF years ago & they advised me to watch some key episodes of later series, which I did, but found them uninteresting
When Disney bought Star Wars they instantly axed The Clone Wars, which I thought was a good idea, I thought it going in a direction that I didn’t connect to the feel of the Fox movies
Then Rebels was produced, I loved it….at the beginning….it felt like Star Wars, music cues ( some very Indy also), dogfights, less force, more rogues, a Falcon like ship, RMQ style art direction,…..loved it
Young Leia & Lando making guest appearances, brilliant

But then, battle droids, clones, the Force & the Jedi became the main thing & the OT feel disappeared into the background, Vader & Inquisitors with spinning helicopter lightsabers,….I suddenly felt very embarrassed watching this terrible show

Mando came onto our screens, a great first series, took the world of Star Wars to the general audience again, I know lots of non Star Wars fans who watch this show including my 75 year old father in law, he loved it because he saw it as a cool western in space
Series 2 felt a bit different & some of the logic didn’t add up, the Ashoka episode was the weakest for me, the Japanese style was too on the nose, not with a Star Wars style, but directly earth in Japan

Then series 3 happened

I have no plans to watch The Ashoka series, it’s not the Cartoon style I don’t like, it’s Dave Filoni’s vision of Star Wars

J
 
I watched & loved the original Cartoon Network Clone Wars with my son, loved the build up to Revenge of the Sith, took him to see The Clone Wars animated movie at the cinema, & we were both very disappointed
I tried (without my son) to watch the Lucas & Filoni cartoons, but I just couldn’t get into them, I mentioned this on the RPF years ago & they advised me to watch some key episodes of later series, which I did, but found them uninteresting
When Disney bought Star Wars they instantly axed The Clone Wars, which I thought was a good idea, I thought it going in a direction that I didn’t connect to the feel of the Fox movies
Then Rebels was produced, I loved it….at the beginning….it felt like Star Wars, music cues ( some very Indy also), dogfights, less force, more rogues, a Falcon like ship, RMQ style art direction,…..loved it
Young Leia & Lando making guest appearances, brilliant

But then, battle droids, clones, the Force & the Jedi became the main thing & the OT feel disappeared into the background, Vader & Inquisitors with spinning helicopter lightsabers,….I suddenly felt very embarrassed watching this terrible show

Mando came onto our screens, a great first series, took the world of Star Wars to the general audience again, I know lots of non Star Wars fans who watch this show including my 75 year old father in law, he loved it because he saw it as a cool western in space
Series 2 felt a bit different & some of the logic didn’t add up, the Ashoka episode was the weakest for me, the Japanese style was too on the nose, not with a Star Wars style, but directly earth in Japan

Then series 3 happened

I have no plans to watch The Ashoka series, it’s not the Cartoon style I don’t like, it’s Dave Filoni’s vision of Star Wars

J
Fair enough
 
Since they were brought up, & there's a slight possibility that could be seen again, I have a legit discussion question I'd like folks opinion on...

The Helicoptering Lightsabers

If their purpose & usage had been explained BEFORE being shown in action, do you think they'd have not looked as stupid & been so ridiculous?

From what I understand from various sources (& I'll touch on that issue in a sec), Inquisitors are nowhere NEAR a Jedi in either power, strength, ability, or just The Force in general. Therefore, their weapons were designed to give them an advantage when fighting one...

They have double blades that can be separated for dual welding to outmatch any Jedi who would only have one.

They can spin to overcome any attack & deliver blows too fast for a Jedi to deflect.

& finally...

They're equipped with small repulsors that allow them to attack/counter any Jedi trying to use the Force to cover large distances, since Inquisitors don't possess the same ability. The repulsors are in the handles & are held overhead to push against the ground & the blades spin to prevent an attack from above while in midair.

Now if any of that had been shown or explained on screen, would the usage have been less jarring or better understood?

Not interested in a simple "No, it still looks stupid". We all KNOW how it looks. I'm asking would that have changed to PERCEPTION if you'd known beforehand?
 
Since they were brought up, & there's a slight possibility that could be seen again, I have a legit discussion question I'd like folks opinion on...

The Helicoptering Lightsabers

If their purpose & usage had been explained BEFORE being shown in action, do you think they'd have not looked as stupid & been so ridiculous?

From what I understand from various sources (& I'll touch on that issue in a sec), Inquisitors are nowhere NEAR a Jedi in either power, strength, ability, or just The Force in general. Therefore, their weapons were designed to give them an advantage when fighting one...

They have double blades that can be separated for dual welding to outmatch any Jedi who would only have one.

They can spin to overcome any attack & deliver blows too fast for a Jedi to deflect.

& finally...

They're equipped with small repulsors that allow them to attack/counter any Jedi trying to use the Force to cover large distances, since Inquisitors don't possess the same ability. The repulsors are in the handles & are held overhead to push against the ground & the blades spin to prevent an attack from above while in midair.

Now if any of that had been shown or explained on screen, would the usage have been less jarring or better understood?

Not interested in a simple "No, it still looks stupid". We all KNOW how it looks. I'm asking would that have changed to PERCEPTION if you'd known beforehand?
I didnt like the helicopter sabers and I don't think any added logic would have helped. They just felt really silly, especially inserted into more dramatic moments.

However, it didn’t ruin my enjoyment at all. I enjoyed everything else enough that I just saw them as a temporary silly moments and moved. I understand if it bugged people more than that, but it wasn’t a huge deal to me.
 
My experience with both animated shows has been the same. I start them. Give up on them. Then give them a second chance later, and I then I really like them. For a few years, I used to be a very ardent TCW fan. Though I came to like Rebels more. And I thought it was the better show between the two. However, since revisiting the original Clone Wars Multimedia Project. TCW has really really fallen for me. And I don't really care for Ahsoka anymore. She was an obtuse inclusion between Episodes II and III, to begin with. Her continued existence in the continuity past TCW has only made it worse.
 
Since they were brought up, & there's a slight possibility that could be seen again, I have a legit discussion question I'd like folks opinion on...

The Helicoptering Lightsabers

If their purpose & usage had been explained BEFORE being shown in action, do you think they'd have not looked as stupid & been so ridiculous?

From what I understand from various sources (& I'll touch on that issue in a sec), Inquisitors are nowhere NEAR a Jedi in either power, strength, ability, or just The Force in general. Therefore, their weapons were designed to give them an advantage when fighting one...

They have double blades that can be separated for dual welding to outmatch any Jedi who would only have one.

They can spin to overcome any attack & deliver blows too fast for a Jedi to deflect.

& finally...

They're equipped with small repulsors that allow them to attack/counter any Jedi trying to use the Force to cover large distances, since Inquisitors don't possess the same ability. The repulsors are in the handles & are held overhead to push against the ground & the blades spin to prevent an attack from above while in midair.

Now if any of that had been shown or explained on screen, would the usage have been less jarring or better understood?

Not interested in a simple "No, it still looks stupid". We all KNOW how it looks. I'm asking would that have changed to PERCEPTION if you'd known beforehand?
They also have a very funny origin.
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Another thing I notice about Filoni's treatment of his characters is that they talk very stilted, even the way Luke spoke in The Book of Boba felt that way. (I know that they used AI to generate Hamill's younger tone)
They seem to be talking as though they are wise and from biblical times, I can tell when he has more involvement in a particular Mando episode

I honestly think we would be in safer hands if Favreau was able to continue what he started, but I think Disney has been convinced that Filoni has a better vision for Star Wars,...but honestly I think his direction is the wrong one
I'd say Favreau will be venturing off with a different project sometime soon, away from Lucasfilm & Disney (his project with BBC & Apple on the 'Prehistoric Planet' was groundbreaking)

J
 
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Since they were brought up, & there's a slight possibility that could be seen again, I have a legit discussion question I'd like folks opinion on...

The Helicoptering Lightsabers

If their purpose & usage had been explained BEFORE being shown in action, do you think they'd have not looked as stupid & been so ridiculous?

From what I understand from various sources (& I'll touch on that issue in a sec), Inquisitors are nowhere NEAR a Jedi in either power, strength, ability, or just The Force in general. Therefore, their weapons were designed to give them an advantage when fighting one...

They have double blades that can be separated for dual welding to outmatch any Jedi who would only have one.

They can spin to overcome any attack & deliver blows too fast for a Jedi to deflect.

& finally...

They're equipped with small repulsors that allow them to attack/counter any Jedi trying to use the Force to cover large distances, since Inquisitors don't possess the same ability. The repulsors are in the handles & are held overhead to push against the ground & the blades spin to prevent an attack from above while in midair.

Now if any of that had been shown or explained on screen, would the usage have been less jarring or better understood?

Not interested in a simple "No, it still looks stupid". We all KNOW how it looks. I'm asking would that have changed to PERCEPTION if you'd known beforehand?

I think they always would have been stupid even if they gave us a detailed explanation. I think the spinning lightsaber thing was just goofy because the Jedi knew all the way back to Obi-Wan facing Grievous the best way to defeat it. You just jab your lightsaber and slice back towards you to break it like Obi-Wan did. I think Kanan or someone in the Clone Wars did that as well. I think the Inquisitors were only good for mopping up low skill Jedi or Padawans. I think they would get killed by a fully trained Knight even. I wish they had kept them the way they were in the old EU because they were more like Force using intelligence agents. They would find Jedi and then tell Vader, who would come take care of them. They could fight, but they were usually what the EU called "Dark Jedi" and not always the same ability as a real Jedi.
 
I think they always would have been stupid even if they gave us a detailed explanation. I think the spinning lightsaber thing was just goofy because the Jedi knew all the way back to Obi-Wan facing Grievous the best way to defeat it. You just jab your lightsaber and slice back towards you to break it like Obi-Wan did. I think Kanan or someone in the Clone Wars did that as well. I think the Inquisitors were only good for mopping up low skill Jedi or Padawans. I think they would get killed by a fully trained Knight even. I wish they had kept them the way they were in the old EU because they were more like Force using intelligence agents. They would find Jedi and then tell Vader, who would come take care of them. They could fight, but they were usually what the EU called "Dark Jedi" and not always the same ability as a real Jedi.
Agreed, that's always been my take on the Inquisitors. They exist because Vader can't be everywhere at once to investigate every rumor or reported sighting of a Jedi. So they go in and check it out, if there turns out to be an actual Jedi ant they're a low level one or just a padawan then they can take care of him/her themselves. But if turns out to be a Master then that's when they call in Vader and let him deal with them.
 
I used to sub to D+ just for that midnight unlock of a new episode but this show isn't doing at anymore? That makes me want to impulse sub less actually because I don't have to worry about early morning/day spoilers.
 
Agreed, that's always been my take on the Inquisitors. They exist because Vader can't be everywhere at once to investigate every rumor or reported sighting of a Jedi. So they go in and check it out, if there turns out to be an actual Jedi ant they're a low level one or just a padawan then they can take care of him/her themselves. But if turns out to be a Master then that's when they call in Vader and let him deal with them.

It just sucks that the only instance we've ever actually seen of Vader doing his "job" is in Rebels, going after Kanan and Ezra. I suppose you can include Kenobi as well.

I just remember in the early 2000s that's what everyone wanted to see, and there were tons of fanfilms about it. Vader hunting down jedi. And really we still havent seen it. Maybe the comics have done more of that.

 
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It just sucks that the only instance we've ever actually seen of Vader doing his "job" is in Rebels, going after Kanan and Ezra. I suppose you can include Kenobi as well.

I just remember in the early 2000s that's what everyone wanted to see, and there were tons of fanfilms about it. Vader hunting down jedi. And really we still havent seen it. Maybe the comics have done more of that.

you should read the Vader series comics, it has plenty of that.
 
Haven't read this, but...

Seems like they are saying it's a bit boring through the first two episodes. Which I can understand a bit from the trailers. I'm still not sure where the dramatic tension will come in, but it's only two episodes so it has time.

It's weird they somehow give Andor a pass for the first few episodes but don't for Ahsoka. I'm sure that's because they have hindsight now and know Andor ultimately ended up really good, but they suggest Andor was slow but interesting in the first few episodes, and I just completely disagree. I loved Andor, but I was soooo bored the first three episodes (which was 3 total hours), I almost quit on the show. Then it really picked up in episode 4 and never looked back.

They also seem to take issue with the characters pasts being mentioned here. They mention that new people won't be confused, because their pasts are explained, but that just telling someone about something isn't the same as letting them experience it. I'm just not sure what they are suggesting they should do instead. Do they want them to use the first few episodes replaying episodes of Rebels live action? If they omitted the characters from Rebels, that seems equally weird based on Ahsokas story. Even the OT had a ton of stuff that happened before A New Hope that they just reference. All of the tension between Obi-Wan and Vader in the first fight is just based on stuff we were told by Obi-Wan.

It feels so weird being a Star Wars fans these days. Typically if you were a hardcore fan of something, you'd connect with other hardcore fans. But Star Wars is so expansive now, and there are so many different eras all with a different feel (OT, PT, Animated shows, ST, D+ shows) that it's actually incredibly hard to find people with similar tastes, expectations, and wants.

To that point, it makes it super hard to read reviews and know how much it will match my experience. For as much as I liked Andor, and I'm sure other older adults did too, that has more to do with where I'm at in my life now than my feelings towards Star Wars. I enjoyed Andor as someone who enjoys slow dramas now, not as a purely Star Wars fan. It could have been set in WW2 and I would have enjoyed it just the same. But I would not have liked Andor as a kid, like I did the OT. It didn't spark my imagination in that way, nor did it try to. But that's also why I don't just want everything to be like Andor, like some people seem to want. I'm glad we get lighter and more serious stuff. This reviewer even says they had to keep telling themselves not everything has to be like Andor. So it was very much top of mind for them when watching this. Which is already way different than how I am going into this, expecting a lighter tone, much like Rebels.

I didn't mean for this to be so ranty. There are some good points in this article, and ultimately, they are correct. If Ahsoka can't draw us in and create dramatic tension for the characters, then it won't be memorable. This article just comes off as cynical in a lot of areas, without giving too much detail on how their issues derail the show, which I'm definitely curious about. Like they complain that the Loth cat being cute or Chopper being lively is done so in an attempt to sell toys. But does the Loth cat being cute derail any scenes or seem out of place? Does Chopper act in a way that is inconsistent with what we've seen in the past or in a way that distracts from the story?

I don't know, I'm probably being too defensive here, and it's possible they are being brief in their explanations to avoid spoilers, but I saw some articles with criticism for the first two episodes that seemed far more to the point on what they didn't like that helped me understand the validity of their concerns. I actually just watched a video that had a lot of criticisms, even some shared in this article, and explained them really well in a way that made sense.
 
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Another thing I notice about Filoni's treatment of his characters is that they talk very stilted, even the way Luke spoke in The Book of Boba felt that way. (I know that they used AI to generate Hamill's younger tone)
They seem to be talking as though they are wise and from biblical times, I can tell when he has more involvement in a particular Mando episode
One of the critisms Im seeing the most about Ahsoka is the pacing of conversations, so that seems to still be there.
 
It just sucks that the only instance we've ever actually seen of Vader doing his "job" is in Rebels, going after Kanan and Ezra. I suppose you can include Kenobi as well.

I just remember in the early 2000s that's what everyone wanted to see, and there were tons of fanfilms about it. Vader hunting down jedi. And really we still havent seen it. Maybe the comics have done more of that.

I agree. He was supposed to be this tragic figure but at the same time he's this powerful Jedi killer that inspires fear throughout the galaxy. If he's actually weak and others often do his dirty work it seems like he wouldn't have such a horrifying reputation. After Rogue One, the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, Disney era Rebels and newer comics I'm not quite sure what to think about him.

Vaders portrayal in the OT was logical and his arc made sense. Disney seems to be inconsistent. In Rogue One his battle scene was not quite as terrifying as some seem to think. He cut down a bunch of rebel soldiers with blasters and failed at his mission. In Obi-Wan Kenobi he killed a few nameless locals. Reva was not very powerful so he had no trouble toying with her. Then the only reason he even survived his battle with Kenobi was because Kenobi showed him mercy yet again. In comics and in Rebels he seems to be much stronger, faster and more powerful than in Disney live action. Although there are several instances where he gets his butt thoroughly kicked to the point of almost dying. I have no problem with Vader having weak moments and failing at things from time to time but I'd really like to see more of him being this terrifying and powerful Jedi killer in live action.
 
Well, if this follows the usually pattern with D+ shows, the first two pages with be met with commentary ranging from “what was that?” to “horrible” to “it was OK” to “better than I expected” to “best. TV Show. Ever.”

By around page 3 or 4 the “it was OK” and “better than expected” comments will have dropped off leaving only the “what was that?” and “horrible” and “Best. TV Show. Ever” commentators to go at it until the end of the thread.
 
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It just sucks that the only instance we've ever actually seen of Vader doing his "job" is in Rebels, going after Kanan and Ezra. I suppose you can include Kenobi as well.

I just remember in the early 2000s that's what everyone wanted to see, and there were tons of fanfilms about it. Vader hunting down jedi. And really we still havent seen it. Maybe the comics have done more of that.


Holy Hilarity…must all fan films look like they were filmed in the “open space” behind my house?

I always expect Neil Breen to show up…someone give this tortured genius an Oscar already. And like Tom Cruise, he does do his own stunts.


 
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