Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)

[VanPersie]

While that makes sense in a way, there's two issues with that. One, even if George was insistent that Anakin had a Padawan in order to justify Ahsoka's creation for CW, it still bucks against the idea that he established in Ep.3 where they wouldn't grant him the rank of Master. Given that this was such a point of contention for Anakin- and one that ultimately helped further set the rift between him and the council (ie. some of the only character motivation/ development in that trilogy) then it's reasonable to find it pretty contradictory. George is famous for breaking his own continuity so this doesn't come as a surprise, but it weakens the power of Ep. 3 (of which it needed all it could get) as a story. In fact it's an issue that shows up in AOTC when someone addresses Anakin as a Jedi Master while in hiding on Naboo with Padme- to which she responds that he's only a Padawan and he gets all bent out of shape. Seems pretty important to him....

The other issue is that if Anakin can be trusted with a student- despite the council's reservations about him throughout the Prequel Trilogy- then what difference would it make if they gave him the rank/ title of Master? What seems more dangerous? Giving him a meaningless rank/ title, or letting a mentally unstable Jedi train someone else? Seriously what does the rank of Master even mean otherwise? It's not like being a Jedi was a paying job like the military so he was denied a pay raise - which would have been important to him and Padme had the story established this because they were expecting a baby. For all we know the only reason the rank meant anything was that he had permission to train students - and that perhaps he might have access to certain archives. So he was granted a seat on the council (even if Palpatine and the council were using it to their advantages) AND given a Padawan- but no title. Big deal. That seems like it's ceremonial given what we're told and doesn't hold any meaning- which would make Anakin's anger totally unwarranted.

But this doesn't seem like an issue to me. In the British Army for example PTIs with the official rank of L/Cpl or even Cpl, get called staff when that is usually reserved for the much higher rank of Staff Sergeant.

Granted, if we're looking at this from the angle of each show/ movie being like an anthology where continuity is less of a concern then the story is largely self contained and not really a problem. Though viewing it as one big story, then that's a sticking point for a lot of people. That's the reason why I was never interested enough to get into CW. I tried and just saw more continuity issues with the episodes I saw because we were told that these were all chapters within the larger saga- but so many of the ideas introduced were breaking what had been previously established. They need to pick a lane. Either continuity matters and this is one big story, or it's not an issue because each show is it's own thing, and I'm not even addressing the issue of where were all of these people during the Galactic Civil War. Surely their involvement would have made a huge difference?

Which people?

It's interesting to me that so many responses to Ahsoka by people who have been critical of the other new material, have mentioned that they're compartmentalizing this (or any of the other new material) in order to watch it on it's own merits- which would indicate that this stuff is anthology. That does beg the question- if that's the case- then why would anyone need to watch CW or Rebels to appreciate Ahsoka? I suppose it would enhance your viewing experience, but in all honesty it's clearly required viewing in order to understand what's happening in this show? The people who are responding positively are by and large, huge CW and Rebels fans, so doesn't that mean you're going to get far more out of Ahsoka if you've watched the 11 seasons?

Look, I'm sincerely not trying to be argumentative, but merely offering another perspective and expressing why I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the way people are approaching the material. It's great that there's variety to choose from and I'm really not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Just offering some thoughts. Hopefully there might be some things to consider here.

Not trying to be argumentative either when I ask, why does it matter to you to get why people like something? If you have no interest in any of it, what does it matter to understand why others do?

 

[Psab keel]

Where were all of the CW/ Rebels characters during the Galactic Civil War? Given their proximity to some of the central characters in the saga it begs the question as to their lack of direct involvement? In reality I know that they didn't exist during the making of Ep. 1 through 6. Granted some of this may be explained in the shows.

As for trying to understand the appeal, it's a fascinating examination of fandom, and since I've followed the series as a whole since childhood, I'm genuinely curious. I'm also a full time costume designer who specializes in SW costumes so it's ever present in my life and work for good or ill.

 

[Bloop]

Watched the finale, it went kind of how I expected it would. I'll try not to retread my own critiques or stuff that's been said a lot already.

- For a show called "Ahsoka," it sure felt to me like we didn't spend enough time with her character. We got, what, one episode where they really delved into her character via flashbacks and ghost talking? Felt like it would've been better served to call this "Rebels: A Star Wars Story" or something more appropriately indicating who and what the show was about (and who it was really for - fans of the animated shows). Ahsoka felt more like the thing connecting the other characters together rather than the star of the show.

- Finale really felt anticlimactic. The series as a whole felt like it didn't have enough "peaks" to counter the "valleys."

- Finale and show in general relied too heavily on knowing the animated shows. It's a weird situation: Clone Wars and Rebels are considered canon, even though they're animated, so they're kind of outliers in the Star Wars universe - "canon" but still separate. Especially because they're supposed to exist within the events of the live-action movies, yet the movies have almost no connection to the main characters of those shows. So bringing these characters into live action, there was an obvious assumption that the viewer should have more knowledge of them than what was presented in live action, which is a big problem for people like me that weren't familiar with the characters and events of those shows.

On a technical note, anyone else feel this show looked very dim and low contrast on Disney +? I thought it might be just the Ahsoka show, but I just watched the new ep of Loki and it also needed brightness adjustments. I watched on two different 4k UHD tvs, both QLED, and I had the same problems. I checked other 4K UHD content from different streamers like Max, Prime, Paramount + and Apple TV+ and none of them have the same issues. I'm guessing it's Disney's compression that's the problem.

The audio for this series has been problematic for me too. I frequently had difficulty hearing and understanding dialog. I kept cycling through my TV's audio settings and it would improve occasionally but nothing really worked for whole episodes. But I think that may be a general problem nowadays with how audio is recorded and how actors perform (a lot of actors used to have stage backgrounds where projection and diction mattered) combined with the current audio technology. There's a number of articles online devoted to the issue, so it's definitely a thing. But even so, I had more problems with the audio in Ahsoka than other streaming content (season 2 ep1 of Loki was fine by comparison).

 

[cboath]

Watched the finale, it went kind of how I expected it would. I'll try not to retread my own critiques or stuff that's been said a lot already.

- For a show called "Ahsoka," it sure felt to me like we didn't spend enough time with her character. We got, what, one episode where they really delved into her character via flashbacks and ghost talking? Felt like it would've been better served to call this "Rebels: A Star Wars Story" or something more appropriately indicating who and what the show was about (and who it was really for - fans of the animated shows). Ahsoka felt more like the thing connecting the other characters together rather than the star of the show.

- Finale really felt anticlimactic. The series as a whole felt like it didn't have enough "peaks" to counter the "valleys."

- Finale and show in general relied too heavily on knowing the animated shows. It's a weird situation: Clone Wars and Rebels are considered canon, even though they're animated, so they're kind of outliers in the Star Wars universe - "canon" but still separate. Especially because they're supposed to exist within the events of the live-action movies, yet the movies have almost no connection to the main characters of those shows. So bringing these characters into live action, there was an obvious assumption that the viewer should have more knowledge of them than what was presented in live action, which is a big problem for people like me that weren't familiar with the characters and events of those shows.

On a technical note, anyone else feel this show looked very dim and low contrast on Disney +? I thought it might be just the Ahsoka show, but I just watched the new ep of Loki and it also needed brightness adjustments. I watched on two different 4k UHD tvs, both QLED, and I had the same problems. I checked other 4K UHD content from different streamers like Max, Prime, Paramount + and Apple TV+ and none of them have the same issues. I'm guessing it's Disney's compression that's the problem.

The audio for this series has been problematic for me too. I frequently had difficulty hearing and understanding dialog. I kept cycling through my TV's audio settings and it would improve occasionally but nothing really worked for whole episodes. But I think that may be a general problem nowadays with how audio is recorded and how actors perform (a lot of actors used to have stage backgrounds where projection and diction mattered) combined with the current audio technology. There's a number of articles online devoted to the issue, so it's definitely a thing. But even so, I had more problems with the audio in Ahsoka than other streaming content (season 2 ep1 of Loki was fine by comparison).

From a story standpoint, it was really just part of a whole and that is a problem across the board these days...people cant finish a story. After 8bhours, we know next to nothing about baylon and his apprentice, thrawn got back to our galaxy, we found out where ezra and thrawn went, got them back and stranded ahsoka and sabine. Nothing was really resolved. Frankly these days it is irresponsible to make half a show and call it a season. You never know if you are getting to do season 2. Sadly it is too common.

 

[Bloop]

Ahsoka season 1 was a massive waste of time and goodwill

What a huge bummer!

www.polygon.com

I just read the Verge review (I saved it until after I posted my own thoughts). Spot on. I particularly liked these quotes:

It’s a storyteller’s responsibility to care for the audience and respect their time. That’s not to say that the audience shouldn’t ever have to work to understand what’s going on or that it’s wrong to expect them to engage with a narrative on a deeper level, but the text in front of them should give the viewer everything they need. And what’s on screen in Ahsoka largely feels like a waste of that time.

Fan service — even visually striking, fun-to-watch fan service — is not enough to build a show around and expect people to tune into the next one. I would even settle for a show that made sense, because from what’s on screen, very basic questions like “would Thrawn have escaped anyway without Ahsoka and Sabine finding him?” are incredibly unclear.

These are good points that are not nitpicks, but critiques based on fundamental storytelling.

I also had a thought about the main characters. Comparing this to the OT, our main heroes are Ahsoka, Sabine, Ezra and Hera versus Luke, Han, Leia and Lando. Combared to the OT heroes, the Ahsoka crew doesn't feel like they have enough differences in their characterizations. They feel bland in comparison, which I feel is a big failing of the show. Again, maybe there's more to the characters that's been shown in the animated series, but, as the Verge review says, this show didn't do a good enough job of presenting those characters onscreen.

 

[Bloop]

From a story standpoint, it was really just part of a whole and that is a problem across the board these days...people cant finish a story. After 8bhours, we know next to nothing about baylon and his apprentice, thrawn got back to our galaxy, we found out where ezra and thrawn went, got them back and stranded ahsoka and sabine. Nothing was really resolved. Frankly these days it is irresponsible to make half a show and call it a season. You never know if you are getting to do season 2. Sadly it is too common.

I agree, though I think the problem is less that writers/creators can't finish a story, and more about big studios trying to get as much money out of these franchises by trying to keep a story going on and on, much longer than the story needs to continue for. Every big TV show and movie tries to tell episodic stories because they want to hook viewers to keep watching the next thing - the first episode/film/season leads to the next one, and so on, until they burn out. So it's more about how much money they can make rather than simply telling a good story.

 

[Joek3rr]

Where were all of the CW/ Rebels characters during the Galactic Civil War? Given their proximity to some of the central characters in the saga it begs the question as to their lack of direct involvement? In reality I know that they didn't exist during the making of Ep. 1 through 6. Granted some of this may be explained in the shows.

As for trying to understand the appeal, it's a fascinating examination of fandom, and since I've followed the series as a whole since childhood, I'm genuinely curious. I'm also a full time costume designer who specializes in SW costumes so it's ever present in my life and work for good or ill.

Yep that's one the things that stretches the credibility of TCW for me these days. Like when you watch Episode III.(or the line edited and approved by George, novelisation.) You know that Anakin didn't have apprentice. That Anakin didn't duel Dooku every month. Or that Obi-Wan has even met General Grievous, let alone fought him on numerous occasions. Or that Darth Maul is alive and causing havoc. But TCW would like to act like it's higher and more authoritative then the films. And then these issues are compounded, because they survive past Episode III....

It's crazy how the show made after the films doesn't bridge the gap as nicely as the project that was made concurrently.

But maybe I'm making to much of continuity?(I have some more thoughts on this subject I might post later.)

 

[Psab keel]

Yep that's one the things that stretches the credibility of TCW for me these days. Like when you watch Episode III.(or the line edited and approved by George, novelisation.) You know that Anakin didn't have apprentice. That Anakin didn't duel Dooku every month. Or that Obi-Wan has even met General Grievous, let alone fought him on numerous occasions. Or that Darth Maul is alive and causing havoc. But TCW would like to act like it's higher and more authoritative then the films. And then these issues are compounded, because they survive past Episode III....

It's crazy how the show made after the films doesn't bridge the gap as nicely as the project that was made concurrently.

But maybe I'm making to much of continuity?(I have some more thoughts on this subject I might post later.)

Oh you're absolutely right, my friend! Dead on accurate!

 

[cboath]

I agree, though I think the problem is less that writers/creators can't finish a story, and more about big studios trying to get as much money out of these franchises by trying to keep a story going on and on, much longer than the story needs to continue for. Every big TV show and movie tries to tell episodic stories because they want to hook viewers to keep watching the next thing - the first episode/film/season leads to the next one, and so on, until they burn out. So it's more about how much money they can make rather than simply telling a good story.

I have always though cliffhanger to end a season meant the powers that be dont believe their show is good enough for people to want to see the next season, so they have to trick you in to coming back.

If you dont believe in your show, why should i?

 

[Bloop]

Just thought of another OT vs Ahsoka comparison: total runtime.

Original Star Wars trilogy: 6hrs 16min
Ahsoka: 6 hrs 2 min

Given that Ahsoka's credits and recaps probably take up at least 5 minutes per episode while the OT movies credits are about that long per movie (I also used IMDb for the runtime, so the real original OT was a little shorter), the runtime are similar.

Can anyone here honestly say they got as much out of Ahsoka story-wise as they did out of the OT? That's an awful lot of time to tell a story that had no real beginning or ending.

In the OT (give or take): Leia captured, Luke's aunt & uncle killed, Alderan destroyed, Ben teaches Luke about Force, Han kills Greedo over debt to Jabba, all three (plus droids) travel to Death Star, rescue Leia, escape, Ben fights Vader (dies), Rebels destroy Death Star, Rebels fight Imperials on Hoth, Luke captured/injured by Waumpa, Han saves Luke, Rebels flee Imperials, Han/Leia/Luke love triangle deepens, Luke trains with Yoda, Han, Leia, Chewie meet Lando, captured by Vader (C-3P0 blasted apart), Leia & Han in love, Han frozen, Luke fights Vader, loses hand, learns he's Vader's son, everyone (except Han) escapes, travel to Tatooine to free Han, Leia captured, Han unfrozen (blind), Luke helps group escape, Leia kills Jabba, Yoda dies, Luke's Jedi training "complete" except for confronting Vader, Leia is Luke's twin, new Death Star, Rebels launch 2 part attack on Death Star, captured by Ewoks, helped by Ewoks, Luke surrenders to Vader/Emperor, fights Vader, Vader turns on Emperor (kills), Vader redeemed (dies), Rebels destroy new Death Star, liberate galaxy.

Ahsoka: ...I forgot already.

(Just kidding): Sabine & Ahsoka reunited, seek and find map to Thrawn & Ezra, fight some lightsaber-wielding bad guys (that aren't exactly Sith or the Empire but aren't really explained) and some witches (also not really explained) and a smoke monster (never explained - 'Lost' anyone?), lose map, Sabine captured by witches & their hyperspace ring, travels across galaxies to Thrawn & Ezra's location, Ahsoka dies, meets/taught by dead Anakin, resurrected, Ahsoka takes space whale to find Thrawn, Thrawn revealed (returns?), Ezra & Sabine, Sabine freed (sort of) to find Ezra, fights nomads, finds Ezra, meets snail people, fights nomads again, Ezra & Sabine captured, back to ISD, Ahsoka reunited with Sabine & Ezra, witches do witch stuff, fake-Sith leader hands off reigns to fake-Sith girl, ISD jumps back to regular Stsr Wars space with Ezra, Ahsoka & Sabine stuck with snail people, Anakin smiles.
Oh, I forgot: we also learn Sabine's not a real Jedi or a real Mandalorian, while Hera flies around, disobeys orders, gets people killed, reprimanded, walks around with her back to the camera.

I'm missing stuff, but that's the gist of it. In Ahsoka, they ended up not having any real effect on any of Thrawn and the witches plans, leaving a cliffhanger and a couple heroes exchanged places, while in the OT, they overthrew the Empire and destroyed not one, but TWO Death Stars. Plus you got better character development and interaction, as well as better story and pacing, and everything was actually wrapped up by the end of the last film. Clear character arcs and storytelling.

 

[Jaitea]

Just thought of another OT vs Ahsoka comparison: total runtime.

Original Star Wars trilogy: 6hrs 16min
Ahsoka: 6 hrs 2 min

Given that Ahsoka's credits and recaps probably take up at least 5 minutes per episode while the OT movies credits are about that long per movie (I also used IMDb for the runtime, so the real original OT was a little shorter), the runtime are similar.

Can anyone here honestly say they got as much out of Ahsoka story-wise as they did out of the OT? That's an awful lot of time to tell a story that had no real beginning or ending.

In the OT (give or take): Leia captured, Luke's aunt & uncle killed, Alderan destroyed, Ben teaches Luke about Force, Han kills Greedo over debt to Jabba, all three (plus droids) travel to Death Star, rescue Leia, escape, Ben fights Vader (dies), Rebels destroy Death Star, Rebels fight Imperials on Hoth, Luke captured/injured by Waumpa, Han saves Luke, Rebels flee Imperials, Han/Leia/Luke love triangle deepens, Luke trains with Yoda, Han, Leia, Chewie meet Lando, captured by Vader (C-3P0 blasted apart), Leia & Han in love, Han frozen, Luke fights Vader, loses hand, learns he's Vader's son, everyone (except Han) escapes, travel to Tatooine to free Han, Leia captured, Han unfrozen (blind), Luke helps group escape, Leia kills Jabba, Yoda dies, Luke's Jedi training "complete" except for confronting Vader, Leia is Luke's twin, new Death Star, Rebels launch 2 part attack on Death Star, captured by Ewoks, helped by Ewoks, Luke surrenders to Vader/Emperor, fights Vader, Vader turns on Emperor (kills), Vader redeemed (dies), Rebels destroy new Death Star, liberate galaxy.

Ahsoka: ...I forgot already.

(Just kidding): Sabine & Ahsoka reunited, seek and find map to Thrawn & Ezra, fight some lightsaber-wielding bad guys (that aren't exactly Sith or the Empire but aren't really explained) and some witches (also not really explained) and a smoke monster (never explained - 'Lost' anyone?), lose map, Sabine captured by witches & their hyperspace ring, travels across galaxies to Thrawn & Ezra's location, Ahsoka dies, meets/taught by dead Anakin, resurrected, Ahsoka takes space whale to find Thrawn, Thrawn revealed (returns?), Ezra & Sabine, Sabine freed (sort of) to find Ezra, fights nomads, finds Ezra, meets snail people, fights nomads again, Ezra & Sabine captured, back to ISD, Ahsoka reunited with Sabine & Ezra, witches do witch stuff, fake-Sith leader hands off reigns to fake-Sith girl, ISD jumps back to regular Stsr Wars space with Ezra, Ahsoka & Sabine stuck with snail people, Anakin smiles.
Oh, I forgot: we also learn Sabine's not a real Jedi or a real Mandalorian, while Hera flies around, disobeys orders, gets people killed, reprimanded, walks around with her back to the camera.

I'm missing stuff, but that's the gist of it. In Ahsoka, they ended up not having any real effect on any of Thrawn and the witches plans, leaving a cliffhanger and a couple heroes exchanged places, while in the OT, they overthrew the Empire and destroyed not one, but TWO Death Stars. Plus you got better character development and interaction, as well as better story and pacing, and everything was actually wrapped up by the end of the last film. Clear character arcs and storytelling.

....& everyone goes:

....well not everyone (small part of the fandom who actually watched it)

J

 

[Riceball]

Where were all of the CW/ Rebels characters during the Galactic Civil War? Given their proximity to some of the central characters in the saga it begs the question as to their lack of direct involvement? In reality I know that they didn't exist during the making of Ep. 1 through 6. Granted some of this may be explained in the shows.

How do we know that they weren't involved. Just because we didn't see it on screen doesn't mean that they weren't involved. It was a galactic civil war after all, there's lots of places for them to be doing things even if they weren't running around with Luke, Han, and Leia. It's like asking where certain US Army units during the Civil War because they weren't fighting in any of the big battles that we all read about in the history books but were fighting in the war but were doing so in one of the other theaters of the war and not as part of the Army of the Potomac. The same is like the case of the crew of the Ghost, their particular faction/part of the Alliance was very likely fighting in another part of the galaxy against other Imperial Forces.

 

[sbaxter]

How do we know that they weren't involved … The same is like the case of the crew of the Ghost, their particular faction/part of the Alliance was very likely fighting in another part of the galaxy against other Imperial Forces.

Well, to add to that, in the case of the Ghost crew, we know the ship, presumably with Hera, Zeb and Chopper aboard, and possibly Sabine, were in the thick of things at least right before the events of ANH, except of course for those who may dismiss Rogue One. We're not sure where Ahsoka was (maybe we'll find out), but we do know where Ezra was.

SSB

 

[sbaxter]

....& everyone goes:

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....well not everyone (small part of the fandom who actually watched it)

J

Sorry, but how have you determined this? "Small" compared to what?

SSB

 

[Psab keel]

Given the importance placed on these new characters it does make you wonder why they weren't on the front lines with Han, Luke, and Leia? They may very well have been involved in other covert missions or other tactical battles during the war, but again, it's their proximity to some of those core characters that make the question arise. Ahsoka was Anakin's apprentice. Anakin's. The Chosen One. The guy who, according to Lucas, is the central figure in this universe, and on whom every major plot point seems to revolve. Why didn't she train Luke instead of Obi-Wan or Yoda? Why didn't she seek out Luke and give him her insight into his father in ANH, instead of Obi-Wan? Surely her firsthand knowledge of her Master would have been helpful to the Rebel cause or personally to Luke during his rise to become a Jedi Knight? What was so pressing elsewhere that she couldn't have intervened at some critical point in the story, only to show herself after the victory at Endor?

It's questions like these that make it difficult to accept this as one cohesive narrative and I think that it's best to approach each story as it's own thing. Again, this is just something to consider.

 

[Jaitea]

Sorry, but how have you determined this? "Small" compared to what?

SSB

By reports on the internet
& in my own personal circles, people I've chatted to who have watched most of the recent SWTV material, they have either skipped it or started watching it & gave up on it

I think there's a falling off with Disney Star Wars, with the decline in quality & even the trusted well respected Mando show which had a drop in quality in its third series,....people are loosing faith in the TV shows

Its pretty sad to see

J

 

[Jaitea]

Given the importance placed on these new characters it does make you wonder why they weren't on the front lines with Han, Luke, and Leia? They may very well have been involved in other covert missions or other tactical battles during the war, but again, it's their proximity to some of those core characters that make the question arise. Ahsoka was Anakin's apprentice. Anakin's. The Chosen One. The guy who, according to Lucas, is the central figure in this universe, and on whom every major plot point seems to revolve. Why didn't she train Luke instead of Obi-Wan or Yoda? Why didn't she seek out Luke and give him her insight into his father in ANH, instead of Obi-Wan? Surely her firsthand knowledge of her Master would have been helpful to the Rebel cause or personally to Luke during his rise to become a Jedi Knight? What was so pressing elsewhere that she couldn't have intervened at some critical point in the story, only to show herself after the victory at Endor?

It's questions like these that make it difficult to accept this as one cohesive narrative and I think that it's best to approach each story as it's own thing. Again, this is just something to consider.

Filoni himself has said that George had wanted Ahsoka to die before the Original Trilogy events, but George sold Lucasfilm before the series concluded.

"Not to mention if Ahsoka rejoined the Jedi, she likely would have died in Order 66, aka the Jedi Purge. But that’s also exactly what George Lucas wanted.

“I don’t think it’s a mystery that I’ve always been a bit more into the ‘Ahsoka Lives’ camp. And George has been very full-on in the ‘Ahsoka Dies’ camp,” Filoni said. “So I thought expelling her from the Jedi Order is a good move towards that end. And we stand on that bold, new frontier for her. Things have changed. She’s not the same character.”

Filoni Says George Lucas is '"Full-On 'Ahsoka Dies' Camp'"

Dave Filoni has confirmed George Lucas wanted to kill Ahsoka Tano, meaning she could not have appeared in 'The Mandalorian.' Details here.

insidethemagic.net

J

 

[Psab keel]

That makes sense. I still take issue with the amount of Jedi that survived the Purge. This has been a problem since the early days of the EU so it's nothing new, but it's still a problem if Luke's story is to have any agency as A New Hope.

 

[Riceball]

That makes sense. I still take issue with the amount of Jedi that survived the Purge. This has been a problem since the early days of the EU so it's nothing new, but it's still a problem if Luke's story is to have any agency as A New Hope.

While a fair number of Jedi do seem to have survived the Pruge, that number is still miniscule compared to the actual number of Jedi that there before the Purge happened. You also have any number of "Jedi:" who really aren't Jedi proper but were padawans who managed to survive, people like Kanan who was only a padawan at the time of Order 66. And there might be the odd youngling or 2 but overall I'd say that less than 10% of all "Jedi" survived Order 66 and that number was whittled down even more over subsequent years with probably no more than 1% of the Order still alive by the time of ANH,

 

[Psab keel]

It still diminishes the importance of the Skywalker twins being the last hope for the galaxy. Then again the Skywalkers were doomed to be relegated to insignificance in the end anyway, so there's that. Lol