Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)

[ScourgiousJinx]

Speaking of someone needs to do a fan edit of Ahsoka into a movie or a two part movie. Maybe dub Ashley Eckstein's voice over Rosario Dawson's although I'm not sure that that would translate well from cartoon to live action. Remove a lot of the long dramatic pauses so that the few times they occur they have more significance. Cut down or remove as much filler as possible like the scenes with the Senate and the speeder chase just for example. With some clever editing Ahsoka could be better than it was.

 

[Riceball]

Speaking of someone needs to do a fan edit of Ahsoka into a movie or a two part movie. Maybe dub Ashley Eckstein's voice over Rosario Dawson's although I'm not sure that that would translate well from cartoon to live action. Remove a lot of the long dramatic pauses so that the few times they occur they have more significance. Cut down or remove as much filler as possible like the scenes with the Senate and the speeder chase just for example. With some clever editing Ahsoka could be better than it was.

I feel that Ahsoka was fine the way it is with the exceptions of some of the fight choreography and it could stand to have 2 more episodes with most of what we saw in episode 7 & 8 making up an episode 9 & 10. Disney's writers just can't seem to properly pace and write for only 6 or 8 episodes. It seems that they're all too used to the old network 20+ episodes count and write accordingly.

 

[Treadwell]

Ran for about a minute too long, but funny.

Yeah, the folks who make these never seem to understand that show opens are a minute, tops.

 

[VanPersie]

I think it also has to do with which Generation the fans are in.

I was eight years old when Star Wars hit the drive-in theater. I’ve been a fan my entire life. But I’m also of a generation that sticks with things, through the good times, and especially through the bad times, hoping that they will return to good times. I am personally in a job that I can’t stand, but I have a narrow specialty, there are a few actual positions as to what I do in the city, and I am paid very well, so I go to work every day and give it 120%.

The younger generation doesn’t have that same principle. They get hired on to a job the first week of October, they put in a three week request for time off the second week of October, and when they told they can’t have it, they quit and move on.

It’s like my generation being involved in a shipwreck. I am on the life boat refusing to go to shore just in case there are still a few people treading water.

The younger generation climbs in the boat, and complains about having to row themselves to the shoreline, and not worrying about if anybody else is in the boat.

so yes, I am a bit more loyal to the brand of Star Wars, than the younger, disposable generation, who only cares about the next five minutes of adventure and excitement in their life, and has no interest in looking to the actual quality of the product, because they’ll be done with it as soon as the end credits roll anyway.

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”… Aristotle 4th Century B.C/B.C.E

“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt…”

Letter published in a magazine 1771

I said , " not you personally "..perhaps I should have stated my question in a different way. Maybe I should have stated, " As a writer and a producer, how can you expect your audience as a whole(all fandom) to invest into a show/movie/book when you've already provided a forgone conclusion that a tragedy that happens really isn't a tragedy...that the death never really happened, or the sacrifice made was literally for nothing?" The question is serious even though it may sound rhetorical. There is absolutely no need to take anything I say personally. We are all the audience and we all care about the content of Star Wars or we wouldn't be talking about it, thus the question.

The journey is more of an adventure than the destination. Ever finally got hold of a prop or something you saved for/worked on etc, then felt “well what now” because I sure have.

Just remember this old classic quote...

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times"

Classic doesn’t always mean correct, as shown by the multiple gallantry medals won by the generations that also got moaned about by the older ones.

 

[Jm419]

I guess I'm not all that concerned about "sticking with" something that isn't a quality product anymore. If Disney's decided they want to drown rather than slow down and reconsider steaming into that ice pack in the first place, then I see no reason not to "stay in the lifeboat."

I only have so much free time. If the content they're producing these days requires several hundred hours of other material to be watched in advance, then I'll just skip the new content. If that's sinking Disney's ship, maybe they need some new shipwrights around.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Oookay...

With all the division, differing opinions, & underlying hostilities in the fandom right now, at the risk of being a unifier or separator, can we take a moment & acknowledge this as the greatest 4 minutes in cinema history?

 

[Astyanax]

With all the division, differing opinions, & underlying hostilities in the fandom right now, at the risk of being a unifier or separator, can we take a moment & acknowledge this as the greatest 4 minutes in cinema history?

Agreed, without question! Makes me wonder if Peacemaker's opening credits were maybe somewhat of an homage to this.

Thanks for refreshing the air, it was getting dark and stinky...

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Oookay...

With all the division, differing opinions, & underlying hostilities in the fandom right now, at the risk of being a unifier or separator, can we take a moment & acknowledge this as the greatest 4 minutes in cinema history?

I'm really not sure what I just watched but am uncontrollably compelled to see the rest of it.

 

[jkno]

The Enoch we deserve.

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A few more variants of Enoch

 

[Jaitea]

Oookay...

With all the division, differing opinions, & underlying hostilities in the fandom right now, at the risk of being a unifier or separator, can we take a moment & acknowledge this as the greatest 4 minutes in cinema history?

Absolutely forgot about this

Love it

J

 

[Halliwax]

Thought that was walter white for a minute

 

[Jaitea]

edit: video already posted on previous page

J

 

[sbaxter]

My comment was intended as a joke and no he did not spend years with Ahsoka because she doesn't exist and he was never a "Master" ...lol. But for the sake of argument, yeah, I guess force ghosts can do anything they want to. I was pretty much saying that i had to make up in my own mind that the whole Ahsoka/Anakin relationship was there and in that episode i thought it was done superbly but i was just laughing thinking about the way they used C3P0 and atleast the name of Leia to invoke some memberberries to milk the OT of every last drop that's left, but of course Anakins main focus in his force ghost existence is Ahsoka...lol. I just don't know how you're supposed to now take the Prequels with any credibility because the fact that Ahsoka literally doesn't fit into those movies at all is problematic to any real continuity but we've already tread on that path extensively.

Anakin wasn’t a “Jedi Master,” but he was “master” to his padawan. Just as a lieutenant can be the captain of a ship without attaining the rank of captain. Two different things that use the same term.

SSB

 

[sbaxter]

I guess I'm not all that concerned about "sticking with" something that isn't a quality product anymore. If Disney's decided they want to drown rather than slow down and reconsider steaming into that ice pack in the first place, then I see no reason not to "stay in the lifeboat."

I only have so much free time. If the content they're producing these days requires several hundred hours of other material to be watched in advance, then I'll just skip the new content. If that's sinking Disney's ship, maybe they need some new shipwrights around.

There is a collection of “essential Ahsoka” episodes of Clone Wars and Rebels on Disney+. I don’t think you’d have to watch the entirety of both series to enjoy it more than you apparently did. If that’s still too much time, I know that New Rockstars put out a video (about an hour and half, I think) distilling what you’d need to know for the best experience.

SSB

 

[Psab keel]

Anakin wasn’t a “Jedi Master,” but he was “master” to his padawan. Just as a lieutenant can be the captain of a ship without attaining the rank of captain. Two different things that use the same term.

SSB

While that makes sense in a way, there's two issues with that. One, even if George was insistent that Anakin had a Padawan in order to justify Ahsoka's creation for CW, it still bucks against the idea that he established in Ep.3 where they wouldn't grant him the rank of Master. Given that this was such a point of contention for Anakin- and one that ultimately helped further set the rift between him and the council (ie. some of the only character motivation/ development in that trilogy) then it's reasonable to find it pretty contradictory. George is famous for breaking his own continuity so this doesn't come as a surprise, but it weakens the power of Ep. 3 (of which it needed all it could get) as a story. In fact it's an issue that shows up in AOTC when someone addresses Anakin as a Jedi Master while in hiding on Naboo with Padme- to which she responds that he's only a Padawan and he gets all bent out of shape. Seems pretty important to him....

The other issue is that if Anakin can be trusted with a student- despite the council's reservations about him throughout the Prequel Trilogy- then what difference would it make if they gave him the rank/ title of Master? What seems more dangerous? Giving him a meaningless rank/ title, or letting a mentally unstable Jedi train someone else? Seriously what does the rank of Master even mean otherwise? It's not like being a Jedi was a paying job like the military so he was denied a pay raise - which would have been important to him and Padme had the story established this because they were expecting a baby. For all we know the only reason the rank meant anything was that he had permission to train students - and that perhaps he might have access to certain archives. So he was granted a seat on the council (even if Palpatine and the council were using it to their advantages) AND given a Padawan- but no title. Big deal. That seems like it's ceremonial given what we're told and doesn't hold any meaning- which would make Anakin's anger totally unwarranted.

Granted, if we're looking at this from the angle of each show/ movie being like an anthology where continuity is less of a concern then the story is largely self contained and not really a problem. Though viewing it as one big story, then that's a sticking point for a lot of people. That's the reason why I was never interested enough to get into CW. I tried and just saw more continuity issues with the episodes I saw because we were told that these were all chapters within the larger saga- but so many of the ideas introduced were breaking what had been previously established. They need to pick a lane. Either continuity matters and this is one big story, or it's not an issue because each show is it's own thing, and I'm not even addressing the issue of where were all of these people during the Galactic Civil War. Surely their involvement would have made a huge difference?

It's interesting to me that so many responses to Ahsoka by people who have been critical of the other new material, have mentioned that they're compartmentalizing this (or any of the other new material) in order to watch it on it's own merits- which would indicate that this stuff is anthology. That does beg the question- if that's the case- then why would anyone need to watch CW or Rebels to appreciate Ahsoka? I suppose it would enhance your viewing experience, but in all honesty it's clearly required viewing in order to understand what's happening in this show? The people who are responding positively are by and large, huge CW and Rebels fans, so doesn't that mean you're going to get far more out of Ahsoka if you've watched the 11 seasons?

Look, I'm sincerely not trying to be argumentative, but merely offering another perspective and expressing why I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the way people are approaching the material. It's great that there's variety to choose from and I'm really not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Just offering some thoughts. Hopefully there might be some things to consider here.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Yeah, the folks who make these never seem to understand that show opens are a minute, tops.

It turns more into “Pitch Meeting” than 80’s - 90’s intros.

 

[pengbuzz]

A few more variants of Enoch

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Frankly, the fact that the faceplate was repaired with the gold alloy is a bit disturbing if you consider the implications of the damaged areas the gold alloy replaces.

Spoiler

DUDE GOT HIS DOME BLOWN OFF!!!

 

[Psab keel]

Frankly, the fact that the faceplate was repaired with the gold alloy is a bit disturbing if you consider the implications of the damaged areas the gold alloy replaces.

Spoiler

DUDE GOT HIS DOME BLOWN OFF!!!

So you're saying his face would look like the cover of a Cannibal Corpse Album? lol

 

[pengbuzz]

So you're saying his face would look like the cover of a Cannibal Corpse Album? lol

Or Gus Fring if he was a bit slower in his last Breaking Bad episode

 

[Joek3rr]

While that makes sense in a way, there's two issues with that. One, even if George was insistent that Anakin had a Padawan in order to justify Ahsoka's creation for CW, it still bucks against the idea that he established in Ep.3 where they wouldn't grant him the rank of Master. Given that this was such a point of contention for Anakin- and one that ultimately helped further set the rift between him and the council (ie. some of the only character motivation/ development in that trilogy) then it's reasonable to find it pretty contradictory. George is famous for breaking his own continuity so this doesn't come as a surprise, but it weakens the power of Ep. 3 (of which it needed all it could get) as a story. In fact it's an issue that shows up in AOTC when someone addresses Anakin as a Jedi Master while in hiding on Naboo with Padme- to which she responds that he's only a Padawan and he gets all bent out of shape. Seems pretty important to him....

The other issue is that if Anakin can be trusted with a student- despite the council's reservations about him throughout the Prequel Trilogy- then what difference would it make if they gave him the rank/ title of Master? What seems more dangerous? Giving him a meaningless rank/ title, or letting a mentally unstable Jedi train someone else? Seriously what does the rank of Master even mean otherwise? It's not like being a Jedi was a paying job like the military so he was denied a pay raise - which would have been important to him and Padme had the story established this because they were expecting a baby. For all we know the only reason the rank meant anything was that he had permission to train students - and that perhaps he might have access to certain archives. So he was granted a seat on the council (even if Palpatine and the council were using it to their advantages) AND given a Padawan- but no title. Big deal. That seems like it's ceremonial given what we're told and doesn't hold any meaning- which would make Anakin's anger totally unwarranted.

Granted, if we're looking at this from the angle of each show/ movie being like an anthology where continuity is less of a concern then the story is largely self contained and not really a problem. Though viewing it as one big story, then that's a sticking point for a lot of people. That's the reason why I was never interested enough to get into CW. I tried and just saw more continuity issues with the episodes I saw because we were told that these were all chapters within the larger saga- but so many of the ideas introduced were breaking what had been previously established. They need to pick a lane. Either continuity matters and this is one big story, or it's not an issue because each show is it's own thing, and I'm not even addressing the issue of where were all of these people during the Galactic Civil War. Surely their involvement would have made a huge difference?

It's interesting to me that so many responses to Ahsoka by people who have been critical of the other new material, have mentioned that they're compartmentalizing this (or any of the other new material) in order to watch it on it's own merits- which would indicate that this stuff is anthology. That does beg the question- if that's the case- then why would anyone need to watch CW or Rebels to appreciate Ahsoka? I suppose it would enhance your viewing experience, but in all honesty it's clearly required viewing in order to understand what's happening in this show? The people who are responding positively are by and large, huge CW and Rebels fans, so doesn't that mean you're going to get far more out of Ahsoka if you've watched the 11 seasons?

Look, I'm sincerely not trying to be argumentative, but merely offering another perspective and expressing why I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the way people are approaching the material. It's great that there's variety to choose from and I'm really not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Just offering some thoughts. Hopefully there might be some things to consider here.

I've found it somewhat beneficial to think of Star Wars as having kind of mythic cycles. And a series of soft reboots (though 2014 functions as a hard reboot.) Every new major entry basically functions as reboot. After the Original Trilogy films, there's the Thrawn books, then the Prequels, the Legacy era, The Clone Wars, The Force Unleashed, SWTOR, Rebels, the Sequels, etc... Each acting as an articulation or soft reboot point. Where new cycle begins.

The idea of single cohesive continuity while its fun to have. Has only ever been promoted by the company. George Lucas, and Dave Filoni, they never cared for that idea. Each show is internally consistent with itself, but not necessarily the other entries.

And we've definitely seen that of late. Even though Disney/Lucasfilm sold the reboot on the idea that there would a single cohesive "canon." That's not how it's worked. Story details from the Ahsoka novel were altered for Tales of the Jedi. Ahoska's outfit from the early seasons was retconned as well. And then altered again for live action.(among other changes) "Ahsoka the white" no longer appears in the Rebels epilogue. But now later in this show. (Unless Dave pulls some weird time hijinks.)

On a slightly related note, this how Gene Roddenberry treated Star Trek. There's a very interesting video on that subject here.