Galactican
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The whole tone and look reminded me more of the darker parts of "Lord of the Rings". I found it highly interesting.
Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)
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ConvergencePro
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So I just gotta make note of something…
The last we saw Thrawn, it was roughly a decade ago it sounds like… which would put his disappearance at roughly the same time as the height of the Galactic Empire’s rule (not that Filoni really makes it appear like anything actually bad happened during their reign)…
We didn’t get one reaction scene from Thrawn for his learning about the fall of the Galactic Empire.. of the deaths of Palpatine or Darth Vader… nothing at all.. he just talks like everything’s according to plan and that he knows everything we do
Im sure Filoni's probably bullshitted something stupid in with the Witches having told Thrawn about the events going on back home, but it plays a bit more like the writer simply forgot that their character has been completely disconnected from, by an entire galaxy, everything regarding the events in his home galaxy…
Maybe its just me though
The last we saw Thrawn, it was roughly a decade ago it sounds like… which would put his disappearance at roughly the same time as the height of the Galactic Empire’s rule (not that Filoni really makes it appear like anything actually bad happened during their reign)…
We didn’t get one reaction scene from Thrawn for his learning about the fall of the Galactic Empire.. of the deaths of Palpatine or Darth Vader… nothing at all.. he just talks like everything’s according to plan and that he knows everything we do
Im sure Filoni's probably bullshitted something stupid in with the Witches having told Thrawn about the events going on back home, but it plays a bit more like the writer simply forgot that their character has been completely disconnected from, by an entire galaxy, everything regarding the events in his home galaxy…
Maybe its just me though
That’s some excellent make-up !
Excellent plus and minus observation. Ship design is unique. Their detail & operating features outstandingly portrayed. Actors seems to lack any real energy.
So I just gotta make note of something…
The last we saw Thrawn, it was roughly a decade ago it sounds like… which would put his disappearance at roughly the same time as the height of the Galactic Empire’s rule (not that Filoni really makes it appear like anything actually bad happened during their reign)…
We didn’t get one reaction scene from Thrawn for his learning about the fall of the Galactic Empire.. of the deaths of Palpatine or Darth Vader… nothing at all.. he just talks like everything’s according to plan and that he knows everything we do
Im sure Filoni's probably bullshitted something stupid in with the Witches having told Thrawn about the events going on back home, but it plays a bit more like the writer simply forgot that their character has been completely disconnected from, by an entire galaxy, everything regarding the events in his home galaxy…
Maybe its just me though
The answer is the same as to where all of these characters were during the Galactic Civil War? The more characters introduced the less significant the main saga becomes because it requires ever more elaborate exposition to explain their absence to a discerning audience. It also heaps more importance on the new characters because somehow they were disconnnected from everything, yet in order to retain any agency, they're often given roles which alter how the original story played out, since the new players had to have something to do that fit within the timeline. This becomes more of an issue depending on their proximity to the characters/ scenarios of the main saga. Now the actions of the saga characters are altered to have less meaning because someone elsewhere in the galaxy somehow made a decision that was crucial for the events to unfold at all.
Considering how the main characters had no knowledge of these new people, it's pretty convenient that everything fell into place perfectly which makes these plot threads feel contrived where they weren't necessary before. The issue is one of either recontextualizing the original story by adding complexity where it wasn't necessary, or outright changing things for the sake of answering "plot holes" that were never an issue had it not been for decades of inane fan debates where it had been addressed in the films had you been paying attention. It's like a comedian having to explain the joke to the audience. Either the crowd isn't paying attention or the joke just plain bombed. It worked in the original story just fine until they had to make a new movie "explaining" how things came to be, instead of just telling a new story altogether.
For example, if you're accepting all the new continuity as one giant saga, Luke hitting the exhaust port in ANH is far less impressive because Rogue One had to introduce the idea that Mad's Mikkelsen's character had the foresight to build it into the design of the Death Star in order to sabotage the Empire. It was no longer the Empire's hubris that led to their failure in ANH. It was explained perfectly in the original film, but hey, they needed to give something for the characters in Rogue One to do, I guess. I mean it's not like Jyn had a real character arc other than getting the feels when her father named the Death Star design flaw after her....
This has been a problem since the EU and ultimately why it became less and less impactful for readers because how many Force users/ Jedi happened to escape the Purge (Order 66)? So Luke wasn't A New Hope. He and Leia were just a few of MANY hopes. Instead of treading elsewhere, or to other eras entirely, more often than not they just drew from the same well because it was easy. A familiar cameo was all it took for readers to remember the main story and feel as if this new adventure had some sort of meaning because Luke showed up. That's why the EU all but died out until Lucas created the Prequels, which spawned a renewed interest in the novels by exploring a new era.
Then again if continuity is supposed to matter, all of this becomes irrelevant by the time Episode 9 takes place anyway, so.... all this stuff that happened amounts to nothing if that's the "true" ending. Rey accomplishes what no other character in SW history could do by defeating all the Sith, rendering all of our heroes suffering and sacrifice utterly useless. So there's that....
Then again, even she couldn't do it because if her trilogy ever sees the light of day, clearly the story STILL isn't over.... I mean at what point does it end in the overall chronology? If they'd tread elsewhere this would be far less of an issue.I digress.
Look, it's great that Dave Filoni is doing his thing and remixing Clone Wars for the third time and all, but at some point, surely these stories lose all dramatic significance? I mean you have Luke and Ashoka hanging out with Grogu in Mandalorian or Boba Fett's show (I can't even keep track anymore) and this doesn't raise any eyebrows? I mean if the appearances of xyz character doesn't have to make sense in any given story, how good could that story really be other than iconography posing as narrative? An X-Wing fighter is seen, Darth Vader breathes, R2 beeps, a lightsaber is ignited. Insert speech about the fate of the galaxy and a Chosen One.
Anakin suddenly shows up and we get flashes of Vader and everyone loses their minds? Filoni is a master of this from everything of his I've seen. I don't dislike his shows because they're animated. I dislike the material because he's constantly trying to build out convoluted lore instead of telling a straightforward story with any meaning. He's using characters whose stories have long ended and trotting them out as reminders to keep his own stories afloat. Most people tuned in to this show to get a glimpse of Anakin/ Vader. It seems whenever the saga characters show up, that's when viewership trends upward. For a character that was originally supposed to be just a henchman, Vader has been the backbone of everything successful about Star Wars.
Ephemera can never replace story and if you're going to market this as saga, continuity better mean something. You can't just use disparate images and characters and plot points with reckless abandon and expect people to be invested emotionally or intellectually. The more complex this all gets, the less impactful and less interesting it becomes. I'm just trying to understand why this is resonating with people and I just have to accept that it will never make sense to me. It raises too many questions that the writers have no capacity to answer in a way that works.
I just wanted to share my observations. Just trying to wrap my head around everything. Anyway, I'll see myself out.
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I was waiting for Morgan to explain to him what happened as well.. he also out of no where knows ahsoka tano fought with Baylan and Baylan killed her..So I just gotta make note of something…
The last we saw Thrawn, it was roughly a decade ago it sounds like… which would put his disappearance at roughly the same time as the height of the Galactic Empire’s rule (not that Filoni really makes it appear like anything actually bad happened during their reign)…
We didn’t get one reaction scene from Thrawn for his learning about the fall of the Galactic Empire.. of the deaths of Palpatine or Darth Vader… nothing at all.. he just talks like everything’s according to plan and that he knows everything we do
Im sure Filoni's probably bullshitted something stupid in with the Witches having told Thrawn about the events going on back home, but it plays a bit more like the writer simply forgot that their character has been completely disconnected from, by an entire galaxy, everything regarding the events in his home galaxy…
Maybe its just me though
Then he wants to know everything about her? I felt that whole scene was clunky…
But exactly like you said, I chalk it up to the night sisters foresight..
They probably could feel palpatines death.. hell they may even feel his clone body jumping..
I don’t think thrawn would want to help restore the emperor.. I think he prefers to become the next supreme leader
For the record I love the tone of his voice when he says “great mothers…”
Very well said!! You need a YouTube channel!The answer is the same as to where all of these characters were during the Galactic Civil War? The more characters introduced the less significant the main saga becomes because it requires ever more elaborate exposition to explain their absence to a discerning audience. It also heaps more importance on the new characters because somehow they were disconnnected from everything, yet in order to retain any agency, they're often given roles which alter how the original story played out, since the new players had to have something to do that fit within the timeline. This becomes more of an issue depending on their proximity to the characters/ scenarios of the main saga. Now the actions of the saga characters are altered to have less meaning because someone elsewhere in the galaxy somehow made a decision that was crucial for the events to unfold at all.
Considering how the main characters had no knowledge of these new people, it's pretty convenient that everything fell into place perfectly which makes these plot threads feel contrived where they weren't necessary before. The issue is one of either recontextualizing the original story by adding complexity where it wasn't necessary, or outright changing things for the sake of answering "plot holes" that were never an issue had it not been for decades of inane fan debates where it had been addressed in the films had you been paying attention. It's like a comedian having to explain the joke to the audience. Either the crowd isn't paying attention or the joke just plain bombed. It worked in the original story just fine until they had to make a new movie "explaining" how things came to be, instead of just telling a new story altogether.
For example, if you're accepting all the new continuity as one giant saga, Luke hitting the exhaust port in ANH is far less impressive because Rogue One had to introduce the idea that Mad's Mikkelsen's character had the foresight to build it into the design of the Death Star in order to sabotage the Empire. It was no longer the Empire's hubris that led to their failure in ANH. It was explained perfectly in the original film, but hey, they needed to give something for the characters in Rogue One to do, I guess. I mean it's not like Jyn had a real character arc other than getting the feels when her father named the Death Star design flaw after her....
This has been a problem since the EU and ultimately why it became less and less impactful for readers because how many Force users/ Jedi happened to escape the Purge (Order 66)? So Luke wasn't A New Hope. He and Leia were just a few of MANY hopes. Instead of treading elsewhere, or to other eras entirely, more often than not they just drew from the same well because it was easy. A familiar cameo was all it took for readers to remember the main story and feel as if this new adventure had some sort of meaning because Luke showed up. That's why the EU all but died out until Lucas created the Prequels, which spawned a renewed interest in the novels by exploring a new era.
Then again if continuity is supposed to matter, all of this becomes irrelevant by the time Episode 9 takes place anyway, so.... all this stuff that happened amounts to nothing if that's the "true" ending. Rey accomplishes what no other character in SW history could do by defeating all the Sith, rendering all of our heroes suffering and sacrifice utterly useless. So there's that....
I digress.
Look, it's great that Dave Filoni is doing his thing and remixing Clone Wars for the third time and all, but at some point, surely these stories lose all dramatic significance? I mean you have Luke and Ashoka hanging out with Grogu in Mandalorian or Boba Fett's show (I can't even keep track anymore) and this doesn't raise any eyebrows? I mean if the appearances of xyz character doesn't have to make sense in any given story, how good could that story really be other than iconography posing as narrative? An X-Wing fighter is seen, Darth Vader breathes, R2 beeps, a lightsaber is ignited. Insert speech about the fate of the galaxy and a Chosen One.
Anakin suddenly shows up and we get flashes of Vader and everyone loses their minds? Filoni is a master of this from everything of his I've seen. I don't dislike his shows because they're animated. I dislike the material because he's constantly trying to build out convoluted lore instead of telling a straightforward story with any meaning. He's using characters whose stories have long ended and trotting them out as reminders to keep his own stories afloat. Most people tuned in to this show to get a glimpse of Anakin/ Vader. It seems whenever the saga characters show up, that's when viewership trends upward. For a character that was originally supposed to be just a henchman, Vader has been the backbone of everything successful about Star Wars.
Ephemera can never replace story and if you're going to market this as saga, continuity better mean something. You can't just use disparate images and characters and plot points with reckless abandon and expect people to be invested emotionally or intellectually. The more complex this all gets, the less impactful and less interesting it becomes. I'm just trying to understand why this is resonating with people and I just have to accept that it will never make sense to me. It raises too many questions that the writers have no capacity to answer in a way that works.
I just wanted to share my observations. Just trying to wrap my head around everything. Anyway, I'll see myself out.
So, back to the show, the runes surrounding the Nightmother's temple on Peridia have been cracked. It's an ancient Sith language called ur-Kittat. If you rotate them 180°, they translate to "(P)RAISE KUJET RULER OF ALL MAY HIS REIGN LAST FOR AL...".
It's referencing Kujet, who was an ancient Zeffo Sith in the Fallen Order game. Since those games had you running between the Zeffo homeworld & Dathomir, & the resemblance between Dathomiri & Zeffo tech, it could be that there's a larger connection to the origins to the Force & the "beginning" that Baylan is looking for.
ScreenCrush has posted a pretty comprehensive video about it, for those interested.
It's referencing Kujet, who was an ancient Zeffo Sith in the Fallen Order game. Since those games had you running between the Zeffo homeworld & Dathomir, & the resemblance between Dathomiri & Zeffo tech, it could be that there's a larger connection to the origins to the Force & the "beginning" that Baylan is looking for.
ScreenCrush has posted a pretty comprehensive video about it, for those interested.
JediG60racer
Sr Member
Agreed. Made no sense to me. Not even close to the design language of the established universe. Ridiculous.
Neither did the entire Star Destroyer missing most of its deck plates, and all the troopers having damaged armor. Thrawn being the meticilous strategist/perfectionist that he is, I can't see him allowing that. Why would a Star Destroyer's worth of troops and engineers and resources not be able to conduct basic repairs over the course of a decade? We're not talking, this thing got thrashed by space whales and so did all the troops on board. Granted it's been a decade but if he was such a marvelous strategist and military leader, wouldn't he have taken over a significant portion of this new galaxy by now and rallied new forces together?
Wait...the same actor who played Galen Erso is also Thrawn?The answer is the same as to where all of these characters were during the Galactic Civil War? The more characters introduced the less significant the main saga becomes because it requires ever more elaborate exposition to explain their absence to a discerning audience. It also heaps more importance on the new characters because somehow they were disconnnected from everything, yet in order to retain any agency, they're often given roles which alter how the original story played out, since the new players had to have something to do that fit within the timeline. This becomes more of an issue depending on their proximity to the characters/ scenarios of the main saga. Now the actions of the saga characters are altered to have less meaning because someone elsewhere in the galaxy somehow made a decision that was crucial for the events to unfold at all.
Considering how the main characters had no knowledge of these new people, it's pretty convenient that everything fell into place perfectly which makes these plot threads feel contrived where they weren't necessary before. The issue is one of either recontextualizing the original story by adding complexity where it wasn't necessary, or outright changing things for the sake of answering "plot holes" that were never an issue had it not been for decades of inane fan debates where it had been addressed in the films had you been paying attention. It's like a comedian having to explain the joke to the audience. Either the crowd isn't paying attention or the joke just plain bombed. It worked in the original story just fine until they had to make a new movie "explaining" how things came to be, instead of just telling a new story altogether.
For example, if you're accepting all the new continuity as one giant saga, Luke hitting the exhaust port in ANH is far less impressive because Rogue One had to introduce the idea that Mad's Mikkelsen's character had the foresight to build it into the design of the Death Star in order to sabotage the Empire. It was no longer the Empire's hubris that led to their failure in ANH. It was explained perfectly in the original film, but hey, they needed to give something for the characters in Rogue One to do, I guess. I mean it's not like Jyn had a real character arc other than getting the feels when her father named the Death Star design flaw after her....
This has been a problem since the EU and ultimately why it became less and less impactful for readers because how many Force users/ Jedi happened to escape the Purge (Order 66)? So Luke wasn't A New Hope. He and Leia were just a few of MANY hopes. Instead of treading elsewhere, or to other eras entirely, more often than not they just drew from the same well because it was easy. A familiar cameo was all it took for readers to remember the main story and feel as if this new adventure had some sort of meaning because Luke showed up. That's why the EU all but died out until Lucas created the Prequels, which spawned a renewed interest in the novels by exploring a new era.
Then again if continuity is supposed to matter, all of this becomes irrelevant by the time Episode 9 takes place anyway, so.... all this stuff that happened amounts to nothing if that's the "true" ending. Rey accomplishes what no other character in SW history could do by defeating all the Sith, rendering all of our heroes suffering and sacrifice utterly useless. So there's that....
I digress.
Look, it's great that Dave Filoni is doing his thing and remixing Clone Wars for the third time and all, but at some point, surely these stories lose all dramatic significance? I mean you have Luke and Ashoka hanging out with Grogu in Mandalorian or Boba Fett's show (I can't even keep track anymore) and this doesn't raise any eyebrows? I mean if the appearances of xyz character doesn't have to make sense in any given story, how good could that story really be other than iconography posing as narrative? An X-Wing fighter is seen, Darth Vader breathes, R2 beeps, a lightsaber is ignited. Insert speech about the fate of the galaxy and a Chosen One.
Anakin suddenly shows up and we get flashes of Vader and everyone loses their minds? Filoni is a master of this from everything of his I've seen. I don't dislike his shows because they're animated. I dislike the material because he's constantly trying to build out convoluted lore instead of telling a straightforward story with any meaning. He's using characters whose stories have long ended and trotting them out as reminders to keep his own stories afloat. Most people tuned in to this show to get a glimpse of Anakin/ Vader. It seems whenever the saga characters show up, that's when viewership trends upward. For a character that was originally supposed to be just a henchman, Vader has been the backbone of everything successful about Star Wars.
Ephemera can never replace story and if you're going to market this as saga, continuity better mean something. You can't just use disparate images and characters and plot points with reckless abandon and expect people to be invested emotionally or intellectually. The more complex this all gets, the less impactful and less interesting it becomes. I'm just trying to understand why this is resonating with people and I just have to accept that it will never make sense to me. It raises too many questions that the writers have no capacity to answer in a way that works.
I just wanted to share my observations. Just trying to wrap my head around everything. Anyway, I'll see myself out.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
No it's his brother. Lars Mikkelsen.
Rawktrooper
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So Galen Erso is Thrawn....s brother?
Riceball
Master Member
Simple, same reason as any ship in real life, no qualified personnel to do so. In this aspect Star Wars is much more grounded than Star Trek in that not everyone is a super genius and detailed information and plans for everything aren't in their ship's databanks. The crew would know how to operate the ship, conduct a certain level of maintenance, and be able to perform a certain level of repairs, but beyond a certain point you require a shipyard with people who know how to do those higher levels of repair and have the facilities as well as the detailed plans for doing so. This is why ships have to put into dock and stay there for a while in order to do repairs and maintenance that you can't do out at sea, and every so many years they go into drydock for even higher levels of work as well as for upgrades.
In the military, at least the US military, there are different levels of repair/maintenance which range from the user/operator/crew can and are allowed to do themselves, all the way up to sending it back to the manufacturer for a complete overhaul. Take the M1 Abrams tank, basic maintenance and minor repairs are done by the crew. Somewhat more complicated repairs and/or maintenance like working on the engine or transmission, the electronics, the guns, etc. and the tank is sent to the unit maintenance depot. More detailed and/or complex repairs and the tanks is passed on up to higher HQ level maintenance repair crews and a replacement vehicle will (usually) be issued to the crew. For major repairs or things like Service Life Extensions Programs (SLEPs) which the M1 has had 3 so far, or taking older model M1A1s and converting to the A2 standard the tanks go back the General Dynamics who originally built the tanks. This applies to guns, Humvees, ships, planes, and so on.
Rexermus
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Besides the obvious lack of qualified crew/personnel or tools, Thrawn also doesn't have the resources for a proper repair. Absolutely nothing suggests Peridea has natural deposits of durasteel (For the Chimaera) or plastoid (For the Stormtrooper armour), what we do know about Peridea's resources is that there is a metal with a gold-like appearance that is apparently appropriate for usage in starship hulls and armour. Also as an art-lover there is zero chance Thrawn doesn't love the metaphorical meaning behind Kintsugi
I wish they had spaced Hera’s head tails further apart.
Rexermus
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twi'lek lekku grow closer together, human guts grow larger. aging gets all of us no matter the species
Darth Lars
Master Member
Hmm... It is as if Lucasfilm has only one lekku mould these days and they are using it for every Twi'lek.
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