Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)

does it seem to anyone else that Disney and LFL leadership can do nothing else but focus on the nightsister and dathomiri kind of power? seems this power was a fringe type of thing and not a mainstream power in the galactic sense. If you take into account the likes of Dooku and Vader and the others, we were led to believe that this nightsister type of power was used to give lesser than Sith types (i.e. Maul, Asajj, Savage) an added advantage, or a recovery option. So it seems that nightsister magik was not as powerful as a true Sith. But it was also apparent that the Sith side of the Force was actually stronger than Nightsister magik. And Yoda said that the Sith power was not stronger than the Force, it was just quicker and more seductive. Granted, Yoda could have been trying to steer Luke away from Sith power because of the Councils directives and control aspects when the Jedi order was in place. However, if they claim Palpy used this as a recovery method in the clone transfer, then maybe this is why Disney cannot seem to steer back to the original Sith versus Jedi galactic makeup, or dont want to for other reasons. Are they trying to equate the nightsister magik to Sith history? Are they 2 sides of the same Sith teachings? Thoughts?
 
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These bright blue contacts are distracting. Makes the character look like an android or something artificial. Ahsoka's and Hera's are bothersome as well. If doing contacts, why not do bright brown for Sabine or bright blue on Anakin? Or darken them to the point of appearing natural. Establish some kind of consistency.

Personally, I'd prefer they ditch them all as this is live action, not animation. No need to replicate the bright colors from the animated series.
I don't really notice anyones eyes except for Hera. And her eyes were absurdly turquoise in the show, so it fits to me. But I wouldn't mind going with a more natural eye color for everyone. The move to live action means they are toning down some of the performances, so it makes sense they should be able to tone down the eyes as well. Maybe they'll tweak it in Season 2.
 
does it seem to anyone else that Disney and LFL leadership can do nothing else but focus on the nightsister and dathomiri kind of power? seems this power was a fringe type of thing and not a mainstream power in the galactic sense. If you take into account the likes of Dooku and Vader and the others, we were led to believe that this nightsister type of power was used to give lesser than Sith types (i.e. Maul, Asajj, Savage) an added advantage, or a recovery option. So it seems that nightsister magik was not as powerful as a true Sith. But it was also apparent that the Sith side of the Force was actually stronger than Nightsister magik. And Yoda said that the Sith power was not stronger than the Force, it was just quicker and more seductive. Granted, Yoda could have been trying to steer Luke away from Sith power because of the Councils directives and control aspects when the Jedi order was in place. However, if they claim Palpy used this as a recovery method in the clone transfer, then maybe this is why Disney cannot seem to steer back to the original Sith versus Jedi galactic makeup, or dont want to for other reasons. Are they trying to equate the nightsister magik to Sith history? Are they 2 sides of the same Sith teachings? Thoughts?
I don't see an issue with it. I like the Nightsister aspect and feel like it's a good expansion on the universe. Just like you are mentioning, there is always some kind of flex with the way they use the mystical aspects. I also imagine there are levels to this, and we can't always compare 1:1. Just like we see different levels of the force depending on who is using it, I'd expect the same holds true for the Nightsister magick.
 
I'm still watching, even though I realize this series isn't for me. Still, even though I didn't watch much of Clone Wars or Rebels to know or care about these characters, there's still basic storytelling that's lacking in this series:

- Dialog is often very basic. Characters lines end up being exposition when it's not necessary.

- Pacing is slow. It feels as if they are trying to stretch out a story that could've or should've been a 2 hour movie. Not just filler scenes (which episode 6 has in abundance), but the dialog within scenes is often so sparse. Conversations have lengthy pauses between lines, for no perceivable reason.

- The acting seems lacking. The writing doesn't help, but there's a blandness to the performances in this show.

- Character design is uninspired. Seems like Filoni or whoever made decisions on the look of the characters tried to make the live-action characters look too much like their animated counterparts. Some more imagination was required.

- Fight choreography is lackluster. Sabine's fight with the armored nomadic people is a good example. Everything feels half speed, especially when using the actors instead of using stunt people. Sabine's supposed to be a Mandalorian and a Jedi(ish), yet her fight looked more like a fanfilm. And why did the nomads stop shooting at her when they had her surrounded with no blaster, giving her ample time to pull out her lightsaber? Were they instructed to attack but not to kill her by Baylan Skoll? If that's true, why did they shoot at her to begin with? They could've easily killed her.

- I don't really understand what's going on or why I should care. Seems like the whole point of this series is just to move from place to place for the sole purpose of introducing characters. I don't understand why Sabine was taken by Skoll and the gang, why they let her go off alone to find Ezra, why they followed her so that they could kill them both - wasn't she supposed to bring him back to them or something? In an honesty, it's possible I missed something because of my disinterest. I'm trying to pay attention, but my interest wanes due to all the things I've mentioned.

There are visuals I like in the series, like the look of the damaged star destroyer descending on the Stonehenge-ish area, and the Vader/Anakin flashes. I don't care for the bandana-wrapped troopers. Looks like they're heading to a club in the 80s. Not a fan of the look of Goldface either, but I give them credit for trying something different. Maybe Agent Michael Skarn will come in to take down his "Threat Level Midnight" nemesis.

Joking aside, I really just wanted this series to be better. I don't need to have a pre-existing connection to the characters in order to be interested in a story. This series has done little to keep the interest of people that don't know enough about the characters, relying too much on nostalgia and not enough on story.

Speaking of nostalgia-berries, I'm surprised my eyes didn't pop out of their sockets at how hard I rolled my eyes at Huyang saying, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." I absolutely knew it was coming, and was cringing waiting for it to happen.
 
I'm still watching, even though I realize this series isn't for me. Still, even though I didn't watch much of Clone Wars or Rebels to know or care about these characters, there's still basic storytelling that's lacking in this series:

- Dialog is often very basic. Characters lines end up being exposition when it's not necessary.

- Pacing is slow. It feels as if they are trying to stretch out a story that could've or should've been a 2 hour movie. Not just filler scenes (which episode 6 has in abundance), but the dialog within scenes is often so sparse. Conversations have lengthy pauses between lines, for no perceivable reason.

- The acting seems lacking. The writing doesn't help, but there's a blandness to the performances in this show.

- Character design is uninspired. Seems like Filoni or whoever made decisions on the look of the characters tried to make the live-action characters look too much like their animated counterparts. Some more imagination was required.

- Fight choreography is lackluster. Sabine's fight with the armored nomadic people is a good example. Everything feels half speed, especially when using the actors instead of using stunt people. Sabine's supposed to be a Mandalorian and a Jedi(ish), yet her fight looked more like a fanfilm. And why did the nomads stop shooting at her when they had her surrounded with no blaster, giving her ample time to pull out her lightsaber? Were they instructed to attack but not to kill her by Baylan Skoll? If that's true, why did they shoot at her to begin with? They could've easily killed her.

- I don't really understand what's going on or why I should care. Seems like the whole point of this series is just to move from place to place for the sole purpose of introducing characters. I don't understand why Sabine was taken by Skoll and the gang, why they let her go off alone to find Ezra, why they followed her so that they could kill them both - wasn't she supposed to bring him back to them or something? In an honesty, it's possible I missed something because of my disinterest. I'm trying to pay attention, but my interest wanes due to all the things I've mentioned.

There are visuals I like in the series, like the look of the damaged star destroyer descending on the Stonehenge-ish area, and the Vader/Anakin flashes. I don't care for the bandana-wrapped troopers. Looks like they're heading to a club in the 80s. Not a fan of the look of Goldface either, but I give them credit for trying something different. Maybe Agent Michael Skarn will come in to take down his "Threat Level Midnight" nemesis.

Joking aside, I really just wanted this series to be better. I don't need to have a pre-existing connection to the characters in order to be interested in a story. This series has done little to keep the interest of people that don't know enough about the characters, relying too much on nostalgia and not enough on story.

Speaking of nostalgia-berries, I'm surprised my eyes didn't pop out of their sockets at how hard I rolled my eyes at Huyang saying, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." I absolutely knew it was coming, and was cringing waiting for it to happen.
I've seen examples of everything you've mentioned at one point or another, especially early on, but I feel the series has gotten consistently better every week and I'm really enjoying it now. So I disagree with your points for the series as a whole. But I also come from a different experience having watched Rebels and CW. I'm not sure what it would be like for those who haven't seen them.

Ultimately, we like what we like. As we've ramped up, this show is now giving me what I was hoping for, but I know that it's not working for others. If you're at a point where you're missing story details because you're so bored, it's just gonna make it worse as time goes on. But if you're still curious despite that, more power to you.
 
Baylan comes out of the World Between Worlds just after the celebration on Endor after the 2nd Death Star is destroyed.

He gathers all principle players, explain what happens in the future, and they all agree that future SUCKS!!!!!!!!! and they will do things differently. Thus everything after Jedi is wiped out.

Then he goes back in and exists the World Between Worlds in the 1997ish time and shows George what happens with his prequels and thus wipes those out.

All then all is right within the Star Wars Universe.

The endless "Cycle" is over.
 
I've seen examples of everything you've mentioned at one point or another, especially early on, but I feel the series has gotten consistently better every week and I'm really enjoying it now. So I disagree with your points for the series as a whole. But I also come from a different experience having watched Rebels and CW. I'm not sure what it would be like for those who haven't seen them.

Ultimately, we like what we like. As we've ramped up, this show is now giving me what I was hoping for, but I know that it's not working for others. If you're at a point where you're missing story details because you're so bored, it's just gonna make it worse as time goes on. But if you're still curious despite that, more power to you.
I don't know how you watched that last episode and can think it's getting better. It's just more of the same - the plot is just characters introduced so they can lead us to more new characters, all within a framework of Star Wars nostalgia. It's all, "hey, remember this? You liked that, now what about this? Now here's some more!" Cut in some half-hearted fight scenes and you're done.

I'm just wondering, but can you counter my specific criticisms? Or do you just like it because you like it? I'm not trying to be an a-hole about it, but I offered specific points on what I felt were the issues this show has. If you like or dislike something, you should be able to say why. If it makes you feel good just to see live action versions of the characters you previously enjoyed, okay. I can see that. But that only goes so far, and shouldn't supplant plot, dialog, character development, conflict, pacing, and other story elements.
 
I don't know how you watched that last episode and can think it's getting better. It's just more of the same - the plot is just characters introduced so they can lead us to more new characters, all within a framework of Star Wars nostalgia. It's all, "hey, remember this? You liked that, now what about this? Now here's some more!" Cut in some half-hearted fight scenes and you're done.

I'm just wondering, but can you counter my specific criticisms? Or do you just like it because you like it? I'm not trying to be an a-hole about it, but I offered specific points on what I felt were the issues this show has. If you like or dislike something, you should be able to say why. If it makes you feel good just to see live action versions of the characters you previously enjoyed, okay. I can see that. But that only goes so far, and shouldn't supplant plot, dialog, character development, conflict, pacing, and other story elements.
I know you weren't talking to me, but I wanted to share my opinion, because I pretty much agree with Elevader's post.

I don't think myself or anyone else can counter your points simply because they're all your experience & opinion, & if that's how you're feeling, then there not wrong.

However with that being said, individual opinions can't declare something as bad or good for anyone other than the one with that opinion. Not speaking to you personally Bloop about this next part, but it seems most threads are becoming just that-opinions presented as criticism.

I will say to your point about the creators trying to stick too true to the animated counterparts, I remember just a bit back when Can Bane appeared in TBoBF, folks were losing their minds that he didn't look EXACTLY like his TCW model, going so far as to show homemade CG just to show how bad EVERYTHING was & how no one knows what they're doing. Now I completely agree that the neon eye color looks a bit jarring at times, I really think they're damned either way they go, & it all goes down again to personal opinions. Some will want a bit more realism in their translated characters, while others will want to see carbon copies.
 
I don't know how you watched that last episode and can think it's getting better. It's just more of the same - the plot is just characters introduced so they can lead us to more new characters, all within a framework of Star Wars nostalgia. It's all, "hey, remember this? You liked that, now what about this? Now here's some more!" Cut in some half-hearted fight scenes and you're done.

I'm just wondering, but can you counter my specific criticisms? Or do you just like it because you like it? I'm not trying to be an a-hole about it, but I offered specific points on what I felt were the issues this show has. If you like or dislike something, you should be able to say why. If it makes you feel good just to see live action versions of the characters you previously enjoyed, okay. I can see that. But that only goes so far, and shouldn't supplant plot, dialog, character development, conflict, pacing, and other story elements.
I don't know what you want me to counter. Your criticisms are your opinions. You didn't give a detailed breakdown of each point with cited examples from every episode, or even any examples at all. I just disagreed with many of your points as blanket statements about the show. We may find we agree on some specific areas, like poor acting in certain episodes or with specific characters, but as a blanket statement I just have a differing view. And for something like acting, you may say X character is bland, and I think they are doing great. I don't know where we stand then, because it's our opinion.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, just stating that I feel differently. You gave a list of opinions and I said I can see what you're saying, as I agree with some of those points on specific things in earlier episodes. I think the show has flaws, but I've had less criticisms each week and it's finally gotten to a place where it's the type of show I was hoping it would be.
 
it seems most threads are becoming just that-opinions presented as criticism.

Criticism is by definition, an opinion. The question then becomes, what criteria are you using to make a judgment call on whether it's good or bad?

Traditionally when breaking down a work of fiction you use the basic rules - which DO exist- otherwise you couldn't teach someone how to write or even how to analyze or understand writing. In a traditional story (not esoteric indie films which often abandon/ bend the rules) how well a story uses those rules in service to the story is how we determine whether it was well executed or not.

Continuity, pacing, character motivation, plot, foreshadowing, having a clear theme, character arc, show vs. tell, and story logic (the rules of your fictional world). These are all tools a writer uses to convey their ideas. The skill of the writer is to use those tools effectively for the greatest impact. Not just flashy visuals, or familiar music, but for true dramatic weight to have any meaning they need to put in the hard work by establishing the characters and the stakes in a way an audience can relate to. Ideas need to be set up clearly and paid off by the end. If a writer can't do that, they're not very good at their job.

If your metric for quality story telling is recognition of past works, or iconography alone, it's easy to accept the new material because it doesn't take much to put a familiar character back into a story, or use a production design we all recognize. Ephemera alone can't support a narrative any more than a director getting hired or an actor can save a bad piece of dialog. Those things can enhance a story if used with skill, but they aren't enough to sustain it without a script strong enough to support the whole thing.

Thinking critically about a piece of fiction isn't about being cynical but acknowledging the history of the countless works that came before it, and where it stands by comparison. It's especially important when you've got a series as long running and as beloved by millions where it will rank in the overall scheme of things.

I mean isn't that why any of us are here in the discussion? The RPF is a community of obsessives and we praise the dedication of the most obsessed of us here to replicate things in exact detail. Why that same way of thinking doesn't apply to story, and is often maligned, is really, really difficult to comprehend.
 
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I don't know what you want me to counter. Your criticisms are your opinions. You didn't give a detailed breakdown of each point with cited examples from every episode, or even any examples at all. I just disagreed with many of your points as blanket statements about the show. We may find we agree on some specific areas, like poor acting in certain episodes or with specific characters, but as a blanket statement I just have a differing view. And for something like acting, you may say X character is bland, and I think they are doing great. I don't know where we stand then, because it's our opinion.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, just stating that I feel differently. You gave a list of opinions and I said I can see what you're saying, as I agree with some of those points on specific things in earlier episodes. I think the show has flaws, but I've had less criticisms each week and it's finally gotten to a place where it's the type of show I was hoping it would be.
I didn't list specific, scene-by-scene examples for everything but I was rather specific in my criticism. That was pattly for the sake of brevity, and also because there have also already been multiple examples made in this thread of the things I referred to, so I didn't think I needed to reiterate them. You even started by telling me, "I've seen examples of everything you've mentioned at one point or another," so it seems clear that you know what I'm talking about. And you still didn't even try to offer any substantive evidence of why you think I'm wrong, so why are you even replying to me? If you don't want to discuss the pros and cons of the show, fine, just don't reply to a specific post that attempts to do so. But if you want to discuss what you like or what you disagree with, be prepared to offer something more than "I think it's gotten better" and "we like what we like."

I'm really not trying to start a fight, I really just wanted to discuss the show, which is what I thought the point of this thread was. My opinion may by just my opinion, but I actually thought through what my issues with the show were, and tried to present them in a critical way. That's what criticism is. It has structure - there are criteria for why things are considered "good" or "bad." I'm not a professional critic or writer, but I am an educated person and I feel I understand enough about what criteria a good work of fiction should have.
Since you mentioned my issue with the acting, ai'll add some more detail. You say it's just opinion, that I could dislike a performance given by an actor while you think they're doing great. You're implying that the quality of an actor's performance is irrelevant, that it's entirely on the viewer to decide whether it's good or bad. There are quantifiable things that make actors performances good or bad. Things like their line delivery, msnerisms portrayed, whether they establish an enotional connection with the audience, and believability of their performance. These may be subject to opinion, but they are still things that can make or break a performance. I made a general criticism of the acting performances being bland because there are multiple performers who have been guilty of it on this show. Rosario Dawson has been mentioned in this thread as giving a lackluster performance, with little show of emotion, folding her arms over and over unnecessarily. As I said before, I since I was referencing something that has been brought up before, I didn't feel it was necessary to say it again. I find the actress playing Sabine to be lacking in believability as a warrior and as the "rebel" (no pun intended) she is made out to be. Her delivery of lines is also somewhat flat - as in, lacking believable emotion and vocal infection. The child actor playing Jason is the worst at delivering his lines in a believable way, though I refrained from calling him out since he is just a child. Whole I think Hayden Christisnsen's performance is better than his work in the prequels, his delivery still tends to sound slow and labored. Not as bad as the prequels (which he had received plenty of criticism for before) but not great either.
I also mentioned the writing as being partly at fault for the bland performances. The directing might have something to do with it too, but I'm not privy each director's choices. My issue with pacing also affects the acting (or vice-versa). There are conversation which have long pauses between each person's dialog. It's not something that only happens once, so there are many examples of it (Ahsoka's conversations tend to all fall into that category). So there are a lot of (what I refer to as) bland performances. There's also a lack of character development for most of the characters. Another example of writing influencing performance. If the actors had more to work with, they might give better performances. As I mentioned, there is a lot of unnecessary exposition - characters describing somthing that's going on in the scene that the audience can infer on their own, which is just bad dialog, and is impossible to deliver in a way that sounds natural, because people don't talk that way on real life. I can't offer specific examples right now because it happened a lot and I don't have a great memory for dislog, but I recall one instance in a recent episode where Hera described something needlessly. I know I could give examples if I rewatched the show, but isn't it enough that I described the issue?
Regardless, I don't know if you really wanted these specifics, since you seem ready to dismiss any critique as just an opinion. You can also probably see why I didn't go into detail before, as this post is pretty lengthy and I didn't even get to everything.
 
I don't think myself or anyone else can counter your points simply because they're all your experience & opinion, & if that's how you're feeling, then there not wrong.

However with that being said, individual opinions can't declare something as bad or good for anyone other than the one with that opinion. Not speaking to you personally Bloop about this next part, but it seems most threads are becoming just that-opinions presented as criticism.
See my previous post for detail, but criticism IS qualitifiable. It's opinion, yes, but based on a shared set of criteria. My original post listed issues that are universal in judging theatrical productions - performance, writing, esthetics. You're agreeing with someone that thinks there's no criteria for why something is good or enjoyable.
If you want to mindlessly enjoy tv shows or movies, you can certainly do that. If you can't put into words why you like something while simultaneously deriding someone for offering specific issues with a piece of fiction, then you don't really have a leg to stand on.
 
As far as I know these aren't critical analysis forums so opinion, even unsubstantiated opinion is welcome here. Yet if your argument for why a show, a book, or a movie is based on your feelings well no one can argue with that but true merit comes from evidence and as Psab said well defined metrics & comparison not from the warm fuzzies you get when your favorite character jumps back on the screen for some well needed fan service.

This show as a whole truly isn't great based on those metrics but its entertaining enough to keep me around. I also occasionally watch things because they're outrageously bad so I don't know (or really care) how much weight my thoughts carry. I'm also entirely self aware that a large part of the reason I watch is that I liked certain characters in Rebels and always loved Thrawn since Heir to The Empire. I was also excited to see Anakin which surprised me as I truly hated that he (and Vader) was in Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I don't need to try to find bs justification for Ahsoka so that I don't feel bad or insecure that I'm watching something thats sub par. Great storytelling this is not, there's plenty of flaws but fun and entertaining it is.
 
So like almost every piece of Star Wars media?
Key word....almost....

I recently watched The Empires Strikes Back again ("unaltered edition for the first time, yay!). Every time I watch that film as an adult I'm blown away by how good that film is. It's masterpiece. Music, special effects, acting, writing, everything....

Maybe we should hold the rest of the Star Wars content up to that film for comparison. That film should set the bar.
 
Yeah for me TESB is the pinnacle of SW and for the longest time that was my benchmarch. Call me defeatist, but once I accepted that TESB was lightning in a bottle, never to be repeated, I can find myself at least somewhat more accepting of everything else at least to some degree.

That doesn’t mean I like everything that has come out since but I think my expectations are at least more realistic. I would love to watch SW content that was as good as TESB, but I just doubt it’ll ever happen. Thus far it has proven to be a fluke.
 
I didn't list specific, scene-by-scene examples for everything but I was rather specific in my criticism. That was pattly for the sake of brevity, and also because there have also already been multiple examples made in this thread of the things I referred to, so I didn't think I needed to reiterate them. You even started by telling me, "I've seen examples of everything you've mentioned at one point or another," so it seems clear that you know what I'm talking about. And you still didn't even try to offer any substantive evidence of why you think I'm wrong, so why are you even replying to me? If you don't want to discuss the pros and cons of the show, fine, just don't reply to a specific post that attempts to do so. But if you want to discuss what you like or what you disagree with, be prepared to offer something more than "I think it's gotten better" and "we like what we like."

I'm really not trying to start a fight, I really just wanted to discuss the show, which is what I thought the point of this thread was. My opinion may by just my opinion, but I actually thought through what my issues with the show were, and tried to present them in a critical way. That's what criticism is. It has structure - there are criteria for why things are considered "good" or "bad." I'm not a professional critic or writer, but I am an educated person and I feel I understand enough about what criteria a good work of fiction should have.
Since you mentioned my issue with the acting, ai'll add some more detail. You say it's just opinion, that I could dislike a performance given by an actor while you think they're doing great. You're implying that the quality of an actor's performance is irrelevant, that it's entirely on the viewer to decide whether it's good or bad. There are quantifiable things that make actors performances good or bad. Things like their line delivery, msnerisms portrayed, whether they establish an enotional connection with the audience, and believability of their performance. These may be subject to opinion, but they are still things that can make or break a performance. I made a general criticism of the acting performances being bland because there are multiple performers who have been guilty of it on this show. Rosario Dawson has been mentioned in this thread as giving a lackluster performance, with little show of emotion, folding her arms over and over unnecessarily. As I said before, I since I was referencing something that has been brought up before, I didn't feel it was necessary to say it again. I find the actress playing Sabine to be lacking in believability as a warrior and as the "rebel" (no pun intended) she is made out to be. Her delivery of lines is also somewhat flat - as in, lacking believable emotion and vocal infection. The child actor playing Jason is the worst at delivering his lines in a believable way, though I refrained from calling him out since he is just a child. Whole I think Hayden Christisnsen's performance is better than his work in the prequels, his delivery still tends to sound slow and labored. Not as bad as the prequels (which he had received plenty of criticism for before) but not great either.
I also mentioned the writing as being partly at fault for the bland performances. The directing might have something to do with it too, but I'm not privy each director's choices. My issue with pacing also affects the acting (or vice-versa). There are conversation which have long pauses between each person's dialog. It's not something that only happens once, so there are many examples of it (Ahsoka's conversations tend to all fall into that category). So there are a lot of (what I refer to as) bland performances. There's also a lack of character development for most of the characters. Another example of writing influencing performance. If the actors had more to work with, they might give better performances. As I mentioned, there is a lot of unnecessary exposition - characters describing somthing that's going on in the scene that the audience can infer on their own, which is just bad dialog, and is impossible to deliver in a way that sounds natural, because people don't talk that way on real life. I can't offer specific examples right now because it happened a lot and I don't have a great memory for dislog, but I recall one instance in a recent episode where Hera described something needlessly. I know I could give examples if I rewatched the show, but isn't it enough that I described the issue?
Regardless, I don't know if you really wanted these specifics, since you seem ready to dismiss any critique as just an opinion. You can also probably see why I didn't go into detail before, as this post is pretty lengthy and I didn't even get to everything.
You're right. I probably shouldn't have responded as I'm not trying to start a fight either. You offered your general opinion and I offered mine, but I've already stated mine before so it's not really needed to jump in again. This forum is often overly negative in my opinion, so I try to balance with a more optimistic take here and there, but my response wasn't particularly helpful, so I apologize.

As Psab Keel said, there are definitely objective truths and best practices for the craft itself that you can analyze. I'm not a writer or in the movie industry, so I'm not really qualified to go into extreme detail on any of these aspects with any authority, I'd just be using my own logic. Several times I've written up very, very long responses analyzing details of the show with specific examples, but then erased it to chose a brief response instead. I've been part of many communities where I wrote long, detailed posts analyzing aspects of something and go back and forth with another member to prove or disprove a point. In my experience, when discussing media, even when someone gets to a point where they are proven "right", it ends up not mattering to either party in the end. Their enjoyment doesn't change at all, even with this "truth", and I'm ultimately left feeling like I wasted a ton of time. That's the only reason I said I'm not trying to change anyone's minds. Even if I could, it would likely require an insane amount of analysis on nearly every aspect of the show, all to achieve something that really doesn't affect me in the end. There isn't a tangible benefit like when we all work together to discover prop details, etc.

This is a discussion forum, so any type of discussion should be welcome, and I'm not trying to be reductive or say "anything is good if you like it". I was probably one of the more critical people on here after the first episode, so I see the show as a mixed bag, which is why I think I have an immediate reaction to posts that seem to paint the show as all bad or all good. Most of the time I'm here to talk about things like where the story is going, or wondering the impact of new lore reveals. I also enjoy chiming in on smaller details that can have detailed discussion happen fairly quickly. But I've typically shied away from the longer, more detailed back and forth for all the reasons listed above. Which gets to my earlier point that if I'm not prepared to discuss something in detail, then I shouldn't be jumping in to disagree to longer posts, because it's just wasting people's time. Which is why I am apologizing.
 
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