Star Trek: TOS question: Is Nomad V´ger?

[Wes R]

If you stare at this long enough, you'll see a 3D picture...



As I understand the story which I've pieced together from various articles that had nothing to do with TMP- they wanted to do a big budget remake of a classic episode using updated visual effects. They narrowed it down to two episodes... The Changeling and Spock's Brain... however, they were going to modify it to be Shatner's hairpiece. However, the story was dropped because Harlan Ellison threatened to sue over the fact that he felt the story was too similar to his script for City on the Edge of Forever... in that it used the original crew of the Enterprise and on page 2 of the first treatment the word "time" was used twice. This was very upsetting for Shatner who'd always wanted to be filmed without his hairpiece, but was never allowed by his agent. He became very upset when TNG premiered with a captain who did not need to wear a hairpiece... So upset in fact, the he insisted that the character of Kirk die in Generations. He even refused to film his scenes with Patrick Stewart. So all the scenes of them were filmed separately and then edited together in post.

I think I need to add all this information to Wikipedia... as it doesn't appear to be there.

This is so full of win. :lol

 

[Mola Rob]

If you stare at this long enough, you'll see a 3D picture...

 

[Moriarti]

What if the creators of V'Ger and the creators of the probe that hit nomad were made by the same civilization. Just a thought I had while watching ST:TMP

 

[madmikeee]

I would love for them to reincorporate V'ger into one of the new films. I know many people pan the motion picture but the concept was great IMO. Just not very well executed. My thoughts were always that V'ger was the creator of the Borg.

 

[Lightning]

One of the nicknames for TMP was "Where Nomad Has Gone Before"

 

[glunark]

Preferably with no Stephen Collins though.

 

[asalaw]

One of the nicknames for TMP was "Where Nomad Has Gone Before"

lollollollollollollol

 

[dascoyne]

In 1979 my buddy saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture before I did and said, "I just watched a 2 hour version of 'The Changeling'. It's the same story."

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

All the times I've watched TOS and all the times I've watched TMP, I never drew that parallel. They both have self-aware space probes, but their motivations and methods and the way Our Heroes deal with them are utterly different.

--Jonah

 

[SmilingOtter]

I remember this thread!

I would love for them to reincorporate V'ger into one of the new films. I know many people pan the motion picture but the concept was great IMO. Just not very well executed. My thoughts were always that V'ger was the creator of the Borg.

In the comic book prequel to Abrams' film, it explains that, after escaping Rura Penthe, Nero and the Narada are essentially summoned to V'ger, from whom Nero is able to determine where/when Spock will emerge in this timeline.

In the game Star Trek: Legacy, they say that V'ger created the Borg to help it learn everything it could. And remember, Spock was of the opinion that, in dealing with V'ger, "resistance may be futile."

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Except Guinan told Our Heroes the Borg had been developing for thousands of centuries. So unless the black hole sent the Voyager probe back in time as well as across space... But that doesn't explain how it was a planet of living machines that the probe encountered -- not proto-Borg. Not everything needs to be connected to everything else.

--Jonah

 

[Contec]

according the http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/V'ger

Gene Roddenberry in an interview shortly after "Q Who" said that the machine planet seen by Spock might have been the Borg homeworld.

 

[madmikeee]

I remember this thread!



In the comic book prequel to Abrams' film, it explains that, after escaping Rura Penthe, Nero and the Narada are essentially summoned to V'ger, from whom Nero is able to determine where/when Spock will emerge in this timeline.

In the game Star Trek: Legacy, they say that V'ger created the Borg to help it learn everything it could. And remember, Spock was of the opinion that, in dealing with V'ger, "resistance may be futile."

Thanks for the summary! I never read the books or played the game. I am glad my fanboy force was strong in this one. Yeah Yeah I know, star wars doesn't belong in a trek conversation but I did it anyway

 

[SSgt Burton]

according the http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/V'ger

That quote from Memory Alpha uses the Star Trek Encyclopedia as its reference, however I can find no such quote in the encyclopedia (which I own and just leafed through) under any of the headings "Q-Who", "Borg", "V'Ger", "Voyager 6" or "ST:TMP". There is no entry for "machine planet/homeworld" etc.

However I did find a quote similar to this in the ST Chronology:

Key phrase here is "half jokingly." Gene was probably just making a lighthearted remark when he himself noticed "similarities" between the "machine planet" and the "Borg".

No Voyager did not encounter the Borg homeworld, it encountered a planet of sentient machines.

(And yes, that was a full-on nerdfight response. )


Kevin

 

[Jeyl]

Key phrase here is "half jokingly." Gene was probably just making a lighthearted remark when he himself noticed "similarities" between the "machine planet" and the "Borg".

You think Gene half-jokingly making connections is weird, you should see how he thought the Ferengi should be depicted when he was serious.

 

[glunark]

I know that reference, and it would have been hard to pull off on tv

 

[dbuck]

When my dad and I walked out of the theater after seeing ST:TMP we immediately agreed it was a big screen version of the Changeling without the typical 'does not compute' self destruction ending.

 

[CessnaDriver]

Surprised nobody has taken a whack at the V'ger plaque. Hey that rhymes.
Would be quite cool.
I started a thread sometime back but I guess nobody has ever done one.