Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

At least we can now watch this mediocre show knowing it takes place in an alternate (and forgettable) universe, and that the original timeline established in TOS is secure.
Where has that been established?

And once again, 2009 Trek established an alternate TIMELINE because of old Spock being sent back. Not an alternate UNIVERSE!

It’s clearly stated by Spock in the movie.

One of the thing that I think Jet Beetle / Paul added in.
 
Now for the controversial part, they also officially moved the dates of the Eugenics Wars, as a byproduct of the temporal wars, which might annoy some people, but I'm fine with it. However, it also probably means the temporal wars are why everything looks different from TOS, which means TOS has been overwritten by a new timeline. And that is really going to piss some people off. Of course, the ripples of the disruption will gradually dampen with time and should largely be gone by the TOS Movie era. Then by TNG the two timelines are pretty much identical again, and can be considered as having functionally merged (which is an idea I took from the Department of Temporal Investigation Novels)

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Here's my take on the Trek timeline situation

Original:
TOS>ST: First Contact

Temporal War version 1:
First Contact>ENT>TOS>TNG>DS9>VOY>Nemesis>Time War

Temporal War version 2
(Time agents Delay the Eugenics War)>First Contact>ENT>Disco>SNW>(Alternate high tech TOS)>(very slightly alternate TOS movies)>TNG>DS9>VGR>LD>PRO>PIC>Time war>Disco
With how the Romulan talks about how changing small things can change seemingly unrelated things due to the nature of time (a pretty decent use of the butterfly effect) I wonder how many ripples in time a certain crew going back to the 80's created? They didn't change a lot but still pulled one person out of time, saved a couple of whales that probably should have died, introduced transparent aluminum (yes I also like the idea they *invented* it as they imply, but still) etc etc. AND with those changes being in the 80's, it could cause whatever delays happened to push the Eugenics Wars back in 1992.

Could the real divergence take place not in ST: First Contact, but actually ST IV? With First Contact just further altering things?

I had to edit the paragraph down to not go full pepe silvia. Forgive me for my fascination with the timeline ideas. I've had this head-cannon about First Contact changing things for present-Trek for a while now, and only recently binged through ST 1-6.
 
That “Romulan Agent”…

Quite possibly one of the worst actors to have appeared in the franchise since another actor muttered “brain and brain…what is brain!”…wow.

I genuinely felt like I was watching a YA DC Super Hero show on the WB when watching this episode.
 
With how the Romulan talks about how changing small things can change seemingly unrelated things due to the nature of time (a pretty decent use of the butterfly effect) I wonder how many ripples in time a certain crew going back to the 80's created? They didn't change a lot but still pulled one person out of time, saved a couple of whales that probably should have died, introduced transparent aluminum (yes I also like the idea they *invented* it as they imply, but still) etc etc. AND with those changes being in the 80's, it could cause whatever delays happened to push the Eugenics Wars back in 1992.

Could the real divergence take place not in ST: First Contact, but actually ST IV? With First Contact just further altering things?

I had to edit the paragraph down to not go full pepe silvia. Forgive me for my fascination with the timeline ideas. I've had this head-cannon about First Contact changing things for present-Trek for a while now, and only recently binged through ST 1-6.
Your argument is… logical.
 
And once again, 2009 Trek established an alternate TIMELINE because of old Spock being sent back. Not an alternate UNIVERSE!

It’s clearly stated by Spock in the movie.

Old Spock was clearly suffering from Vulcan dementia. A supernova threatened to destroy the entire galaxy? Its blastwave propagated faster than light? And anyway, things were already different before Nero's ship blipped in. The Kelvin and its technology and uniforms and everything were all wrong for pre-TOS.

As for "Future's End", we never saw a newspaper and only caught a glimpse of the news Neelix was monitoring. Even in a conflict like WWII, people in America -- where the fighting was not directly taking place -- were trying to live their lives and keep things as normal as possible. And that conflict potentially involved a larger portion of geography than the fight to shut down Khan.

I still like the notion I've seen that 23rd-century historians look back the way we do at things like the Thirty Years War or the Punic Wars and recognize WWI, WWII, the Cold War and proxy wars the US and USSR fought during it, and WWIII as one long interlinked conflict -- which they are -- collectively called the Eugenics Wars. In the original timeline, where things diverged from ours even further back (early 19th century at the absolute latest), things stayed hotter through the 1960s and we got more of what NASA and the Air Force were promising during Mercury and Gemini -- widespread atomic power, orbital weapons platforms, manned moonbasees, etc. -- and, in that shifted sequence of things, Khan and his followers came to power and, by 1995 when he was defeated, came to control "a quarter of the globe". Ancillary fiction had determined that was a lot of Central, South, and East Asia.

There was never any indication America was the site of any of the actual fighting until WWIII, so Los Angeles of the 1990s would have likely been as we saw it. It is all gone by the 23rd century, though. Dunno how much Braga knew or cared -- if he ever showed any continuity with older lore, it was likely accidental -- but Gene held that much of the SoCal coast was unrecognizable from how we know it, due to a massive earthquake. In his novelization of TMP, he has Kirk transfer from the orbital shuttle to the local at the "Los Angeles Island" transit hub.

And, lastly, they need to stop with the time-travel, already! All of it. They do it badly. They always have. It's made a swiss cheese of the scaffolding of the setting, no one can rely on anything, writers can and do change anything they want from what was established, using time travel to explain or justify sloppiness, laziness, or hubris -- or all three. The only exceptions I'll allow are Q and the Guardian of Forever, because they follow their own rules.
 
Ortegas’ complete lack of respect for her superiors, and the fact that she’s allowed keep behaving like that is getting seriously annoying. And…Pike cooks in every episode? Really?
Assuming you mean Spock regarding 'superiors'? Based on the sleeve stripes that appear to indicate rank, they're the same rank: Lt. Also, as they're both Alpha shift which is historically made up of department heads, further putting them on a level playing field.
 
Assuming you mean Spock regarding 'superiors'? Based on the sleeve stripes that appear to indicate rank, they're the same rank: Lt. Also, as they're both Alpha shift which is historically made up of department heads, further putting them on a level playing field.
She repeatedly talks back and / or smarts off to Pike and he grins like it’s cute.
 
Ortegas’ complete lack of respect for her superiors, and the fact that she’s allowed keep behaving like that is getting seriously annoying. And…Pike cooks in every episode? Really?

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With large open flames in the Captain’s Mess, strictly for ambiance…someone who has served on a submarine please tell me if that’s a standard practice.
 
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Also…anyone else notice that in Season 2 they’ve abandoned “standalone episode storytelling” (The Original Series) and have pivoted to “serialized storytelling”?
 
Nu-Pike is a TERRIBLE example of a military commander written by people who have no actual personal experience with the military.

Contrast that with The Original Series writers…


Damn right. Allowing that kind of loosey goosey nonsense on any complex vessel navigating dangerous places is a recipe for disaster. And they should be trying to convey a sense of reality, command structure and protocols work to convey that. Lazy, ignorant writers, taking it for granted people just buy into it all now without question. Probably even The Love Boat did better on that! LOL
 
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