I’m just tired, and actually misread that as “dry eye” rather than “dry seat”. Makes perfect sense upon a second look. My fault. I’m aware of the expression.
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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I’m just tired, and actually misread that as “dry eye” rather than “dry seat”. Makes perfect sense upon a second look. My fault. I’m aware of the expression.
Anything that comes close to Kirk's famous inspiring "risk" speech?
Any episodes like Immunity Syndrome that though in great peril they insist on the mission of the Enterprise still to learn as much as possible?
Corbomite Maneuver kinds of stories where exploring and seeking out that new life is paramount? that keeps them pressing on, Kirk's great "There is no such thing as the unknown" address to his crew to calm them?
Is there a spark of the spirit of exploration of any of that in any eps? Do they know why they are on board their ship?
Any episodes like Immunity Syndrome that though in great peril they insist on the mission of the Enterprise still to learn as much as possible?
Corbomite Maneuver kinds of stories where exploring and seeking out that new life is paramount? that keeps them pressing on, Kirk's great "There is no such thing as the unknown" address to his crew to calm them?
Is there a spark of the spirit of exploration of any of that in any eps? Do they know why they are on board their ship?
As I've noted, a perfect comparison between TOS and the Abrams movies is "Balance of Terror" vs. the 2009 film. Kirk offers the defeated Romulans aid, and then they refuse and self-destruct, whereas NuKirk blows the Romulans away after they refuse aid.
This show seems slightly less insidious in its messaging, and boils down more to "feelings in hallways", CW-style.
On the plus side, at least STAR TREK V will be elevated by whatever they end up doing with Sybok. And I say this while having a soft spot for that film.
Again, this speaks to the hubris of these fools. "Hey, you know that failed pilot? We're gonna do it right!", and now, "Hey, you know that bad movie with Spock's brother? We're gonna do it right!"
Cephus
Master Member
As soon as my wife saw that, she said "Come on, we were just pretending STV never happened!" Now, we're going to look back at it fondly because it'll be a hell of a lot better than SNW.
asalaw
Master Member
I agreed with this reviewer 100%, as far as I got, which was about 18 minutes in. At that point he was just repeating himself and I lost interest. He obviously knows Trek lore, but he needs to cut his reviews in half. He’s right, of course, the episode is just horrible, and it’s because the creative team is grossly incompetent. Bt he could’ve said that in 10-12 minutes rather than belaboring it for 24.
asalaw
Master Member
No, not really. Pike makes a couple of pretty speeches, one of them in the first episode, but the writing is just awful.
Hey, I'm all for brevity, but if the man needs to rant, who are we to judge?
That said, less is more.
Y'know, in regards to episodes which neatly sum up the core concept of STAR TREK, "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "The Immunity Syndrome" might just be the two best examples.
…on a related note, it would be an interesting mental exercise to imagine how the STD or SNW crews would handle situations like meeting the Fesarius or the giant space amoeba or whatever. Makes me think of an idea I read years ago, regarding a theoretical reimagining all of the TOS episodes, but set in the Mirror Universe. It seems unlikely that Mirror Kirk would have survived encounters with Balok or the Metrons or Apollo. That would make for an interesting cartoon or comic or book series. Sort of like the STAR TREK version of Marvel Comics’ old WHAT IF? series.
On a related note: someone did some really good revisions on the VFX shots for STV on Youtube (they redid practically all the scenes with the ship):
Bloop
Sr Member
So I'm watching ep 5 ("Spock Amok") while writing this; I was trying to catch up to the current episode before posting, but I doubt I'll get there.
The "Freaky Friday" swap was where I tuned out (I'm still playing this episode in the background, but I'm just not interested). I was trying to like this show, but it just feels too much like fan fiction - sadly, some fan films do a better job of holding to the characters and lore. It just keeps rehashing old episode plots instead of creating new ones.
I looked at a few reviews and I'm dumbfounded that people actually enjoyed this. Scratch that - I can probably see why people that have never seen Star Trek or only have a limited knowledge of it enjoyed this. I guess knowledge of the characters and stories already told is a hinderence to my enjoyment.
Honestly, my favorite character now is the transporter chief, mainly because he doesn't seem to have any connection to any prior Trek characters, and he's been only shown as just doing his duty (at least through ep 5). I don't even know his name, but maybe that's helping - the fact that he doesn't seem to share a name with any previously created Trek characters and that he hasn't had any personal conversations tinged with modern colloqialisms is helping.
Two bridge officers having a phaser shootout in the corridor? I don't care if they used the lowest setting, that's got to be a HUGE violation of safety protocols. What if there was a malfuntion and soneone got killed or they damaged the ship? Imagine two navel officers having a showdown in a submarine with weapons - even if there was some scenario where they replace the live rounds with blanks or rubber bullets, you never aim a weapon at another person unless you intend to harm them. Even if no one was on the ship (which wasn't the case), I can't image two officers engaging in this sort of reckless activity and still remaining officers.
Spock and the other Vulcans just don't talk or act like the Vulcans as established in TOS or TNG. In SNW, there's no indication that they reject emotion other than their robotic delivery of lines. Here, they engage in bickering, friendly banter, and other emotion-driven dialog and activity. Yeah, Spock is half-human, but he'd never cold-cock another person (let alone a Vulcan) and blame it on his human side.
Maybe these stories and characters would be fine if they weren't in the Star Trek universe, especially if they weren't crammed into a timeline before the established series and movies, with familiar characters that don't act familiar at all.
Not sure if I'll watch any more - I started watching "For All Mankind" on Apple TV+, which is created by Trek alum and BSG reboot creator Ronald D. Moore, and it's a lot more compelling and interesting. It's semi-science fiction, with better drama and characters - I highly recommend it.
The "Freaky Friday" swap was where I tuned out (I'm still playing this episode in the background, but I'm just not interested). I was trying to like this show, but it just feels too much like fan fiction - sadly, some fan films do a better job of holding to the characters and lore. It just keeps rehashing old episode plots instead of creating new ones.
I looked at a few reviews and I'm dumbfounded that people actually enjoyed this. Scratch that - I can probably see why people that have never seen Star Trek or only have a limited knowledge of it enjoyed this. I guess knowledge of the characters and stories already told is a hinderence to my enjoyment.
Honestly, my favorite character now is the transporter chief, mainly because he doesn't seem to have any connection to any prior Trek characters, and he's been only shown as just doing his duty (at least through ep 5). I don't even know his name, but maybe that's helping - the fact that he doesn't seem to share a name with any previously created Trek characters and that he hasn't had any personal conversations tinged with modern colloqialisms is helping.
Two bridge officers having a phaser shootout in the corridor? I don't care if they used the lowest setting, that's got to be a HUGE violation of safety protocols. What if there was a malfuntion and soneone got killed or they damaged the ship? Imagine two navel officers having a showdown in a submarine with weapons - even if there was some scenario where they replace the live rounds with blanks or rubber bullets, you never aim a weapon at another person unless you intend to harm them. Even if no one was on the ship (which wasn't the case), I can't image two officers engaging in this sort of reckless activity and still remaining officers.
Spock and the other Vulcans just don't talk or act like the Vulcans as established in TOS or TNG. In SNW, there's no indication that they reject emotion other than their robotic delivery of lines. Here, they engage in bickering, friendly banter, and other emotion-driven dialog and activity. Yeah, Spock is half-human, but he'd never cold-cock another person (let alone a Vulcan) and blame it on his human side.
Maybe these stories and characters would be fine if they weren't in the Star Trek universe, especially if they weren't crammed into a timeline before the established series and movies, with familiar characters that don't act familiar at all.
Not sure if I'll watch any more - I started watching "For All Mankind" on Apple TV+, which is created by Trek alum and BSG reboot creator Ronald D. Moore, and it's a lot more compelling and interesting. It's semi-science fiction, with better drama and characters - I highly recommend it.
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Picard102
Sr Member
That is Kyle, there is a Lt Kyle that mans the transporter room in TOS.
Can you even imagine characters doing this in TOS? Especially Number One, as seen in the pilot?
As we’ve seen, the Abrams movies (co-written by Kurtzman, of course) completely and ridiculously misunderstood the character of Spock, from having him constantly suppressing frothing rage (and then flying into berserker mode when he got really angry), to having a romantic relationship with Nuhura, a subordinate. It’s no surprise that this show also gets him wildly wrong.
The whole point of Spock was that, due to the difficulties of being an interspecies child, he had chosen to live in the Vulcan way. To be more Vulcan THAN Vulcan, in fact. TOS made it clear that Vulcans were not emotionless robots, but that they considered displays of emotion to be in bad taste. It was all about control and order, and Spock was especially sensitive about that, due to his childhood bullying and also because he perhaps was trying to overcompensate in order to earn his father’s love, since he probably felt badly about their disagreement over his career path.
Also, the character of Spock—one of the greatest characters in all of pop culture—is an excellent study of how to handle loneliness and inner conflict with bravery, dignity, and intelligence. Kirk, to a lesser extent, also exemplifies this, since many episodes emphasized the personal costs and loneliness of being a commander. But both men rose above all of those hang-ups and became their best selves.
Compare this to the bratty children who have inhabited the franchise since 2009. Fratboy Kirk, “Hulk Smash!” Spock, and corridor playtime shootout Number One.
asalaw
Master Member
The number one sign of good writing (apart from its being self-evident in the work itself) is that it’s possible to write thoughtfully about it and explore its themes, characters, and plot—without projecting. The mere fact that you can write about Spock’s inner life on TOS is evidence of his being a very well-developed character. Same for Kirk. And of course, millions of words have been written about the Kirk-Spock-McCoy triumvirate and how together they form one complete personality—while each is a fully realized character on his own.
Kurtzman is a no-talent hack who lucked into his current position most likely because he’s a good pitchman and was able to con studio execs into believing he’s the right guy for the gig. Most artists are poor salesmen, and most salesmen know very little about art. Kurtzman is probably in the latter category. Pure film-flam. It’s really impressive how he’s been able to fail up over the last 15 years or so, far exceeding the Peter Principle threshold and rising to ever-higher levels of incompetence.
It all comes back to Abrams, the King of The Hacks, who has installed his cronies throughout Hollywood. Bad Reboot and Secret Hideout have gotten their hooks into just about everything.
asalaw
Master Member
And speaking of ol’ JJ, what’s he ruining next?
At last report, he was working on a race-swapped, Black Superman script with race-baiting lunatic Ta-Nehisi Coates, which seems to have stalled—and Warner is not pleased that he hasn’t produced anything for them since they gave him half-a-billion dollars to (further) ruin DC and Superman. And HBO cancelled one of the projects—DEMIMONDE—that’s been distracting him from making money for Warner. I’m crying my eyes out.
After he killed STAR TREK (because he settled for it, since STAR WARS—what he really wanted—was supposedly over and done) with what ended up as an unintended demo reel for STAR WARS, Disney gave him the keys to the actual STAR WARS. And I knew how that was gonna go down.
To quote Ian Malcolm, I hate being right all the time.
I had a bad feeling when the STAR TREK reboot was announced, circa 2007-08. And I had a sinking feeling on October 30, 2012, when the Disney buyout of Lucasfilm was announced. Abrams being announced as the director of the then-untitled (and unnecessary) EPISODE VII was just the icing on the cake.
asalaw
Master Member
Just looked up Coates. He’s a nobody, but he does have some woke credentials, so I bet he’s hot right now. Also just noticed JJ was on Westworld, which explains a few things. Jonathan Nolan is quite a good writer (at least when he’s working with his brother), but WW started going off the rails in season 2–and went so far off the deep end in season 3 that I’m just done with it. I get the strong impression that they’re just making it up as they go along (the way they did on Lost), and that’s no way to run a railroad if you’re doing a serial. JMS had a 5-year outline for Babylon 5, and it showed in the work, despite the damage Warner did to the arc by jerking him around between seasons. Hopefully his reboot on the CW will have an uninterrupted run so he can develop the arc correctly this time.
Lightning
Master Member
The show is deliberately writing a younger Spock who doesn't have the level of control we see in TOS, inspired by the shouting/smiling Spock in The Cage
Once again, Kurtzman has little to do with the creative decisions on SNW. It's Goldsman's baby.
asalaw
Master Member
Which does nothing to excuse the serially terrible writing.
Which doesn’t change the fact that Kurtzman is a no-talent hack. All it does is add Goldsman to the untalent pool.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
illegitimate step-child.
