Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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Boy, the path this thread has taken...
I have to declare, once and for all, that Blue is my favorite color. I will also go on the record as declaring that I’ve never cared for Yellow and I find it to be my least favorite of the primary colors.
Now….I’m going to have half the people demand that I explain why Blue is my favorite color (and tell me why Blue sucks) while the other half is going to try to tell me that I have it all wrong about Yellow and why it should be my favorite color.
I, on the other hand, hover high above the fray on my Holier Than Thou Cloud of moral perfection, breathing air that is is filled with the pleasing aroma of my own flatulence.
I have to declare, once and for all, that Blue is my favorite color. I will also go on the record as declaring that I’ve never cared for Yellow and I find it to be my least favorite of the primary colors.
Now….I’m going to have half the people demand that I explain why Blue is my favorite color (and tell me why Blue sucks) while the other half is going to try to tell me that I have it all wrong about Yellow and why it should be my favorite color.
I, on the other hand, hover high above the fray on my Holier Than Thou Cloud of moral perfection, breathing air that is is filled with the pleasing aroma of my own flatulence.
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blue and yellow make purple, and I eschew green wall paint.Boy, the path this thread has taken...
I have to declare, once and for all, that Blue is my favorite color. I will also go on the record as declaring that I’ve never cared for Yellow and I find it to be my least favorite of the primary colors.
Now….I’m going to have half the people demand that I explain why Blue is my favorite color (and why Blue sucks) while the other half is going to try to tell me that I have it all wrong about Yellow and why it should be my favorite color.
I, on the other hand, hover high above the fray on my holier than thou cloud of moral certainty, breathing air that is is filled with the pleasing aroma of my own flatulence.
asalaw
Master Member
I still like Strange New Hair. It‘s descriptive, and it (strangely!) ties in with Voyager, which featured Captain Hair, who had more new coifs than Ginger Grant had evening dresses.
She packed well for a three-hour tour. Planning ahead gets you ahead. Whereas Katheryn Janeway didn’t know she’d be stranded 70,000 light-years from home, and therefore didn’t bring her full supply of hair products, hence her only having two hairstyles in seven years.
Cephus
Master Member
It isn't just this thread, it's every thread. This is just the most recent where one side has their fingers in their ears and refuses to actually justify any opinion they have.
asalaw
Master Member
Oh, there were more than two. And there’s at least one more not shown here where she was in a long white dress in her quarters, with her hair cascading down to her waist. I thought she was going to lower it out of a window so a prince could climb up.
Oh, there were more than two. And there’s at least one more not shown here where she was in a long white dress in her quarters, with her hair cascading down to her waist. I thought she was going to lower it out of a window so a prince could climb up.
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Meh, I only remember Bun or No Bun and Short. The others are minor variants!
But the technique is still being used; since no one here is an "authority", and "no one's life is in danger here", it would stand to reason that those employing it are encountering some type of difficulty. Namely, that they cannot articulate a valid logical response to the queries of those who do not like SNW, and are instead doing the verbal version of "shuckin' and jivin' ".
Or to put it another way:
Admit nothing
Deny everything
Make counter-accusations.
I think it would go a long way for those trying to make the case for "NuTrek" and its' related SWJ-laden sister series if they would stop confusing personal preference with fact.
So do I, my friend. We now live in a world of easily hurt emotional children who want the entire world to be a safe space, pandered to by Helicopter Mommy and Lawnmower Daddy.
If this planet ever faces anything like the apocalypse, these people would most likely be the first to go, based on their lack of ability to be rational and mature in the face of any adversity whatsoever.
Came across this clip from HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL, written by Roddenberry, and found myself thinking about what I’ve read regarding the most recent SNW episode, where Pike leaves a child to suffer and the rest of his society to flourish from it, because “the Prime Directive” or whatever.
A point which the real STAR TREK made again and again was that people need to do the right thing for the right reasons, and that the suffering of one means the suffering of all. Leaving intact a system which is built on the suffering of even one life is morally wrong. It may be more “realistic”, or a way of examining issues that are “too big” for one Captain to solve, but it is not providing any kind of morality or code of ethics to aspire to. Because STAR TREK is supposed to be inspirational.
Kirk would have found a way.
A point which the real STAR TREK made again and again was that people need to do the right thing for the right reasons, and that the suffering of one means the suffering of all. Leaving intact a system which is built on the suffering of even one life is morally wrong. It may be more “realistic”, or a way of examining issues that are “too big” for one Captain to solve, but it is not providing any kind of morality or code of ethics to aspire to. Because STAR TREK is supposed to be inspirational.
Kirk would have found a way.
asalaw
Master Member
Kirk NEVER would have sat still for that.
But since the child can’t be disconnected from the machine without killing him, Pike can do nothing. That sound you hear when Pike is informed of this fact is the writers taking away Pike’s agency. And a hero without agency is no hero at all. You might as well stick him in the beeping wheelchair right now and be done with it.
Picard102
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Hero's lose sometimes. Kirk did his fair share for sure. Edith, Spock, The Enterprise, his son David.
Even Superman dies.
And, in the end, isn’t that just the sort of nihilism that modern entertainment has been completely infused with? “Things suck, you can’t do anything about it, oh well.” Not much of a point to be had, there.
Heroism has also bled completely out of entertainment. We now have shallow, narcissistic villains who are called heroes.
Even in an episode like “A Private Little War”, Kirk did what he felt he had to do in a bad situation to preserve as many lives as possible, and to keep both sides functioning until the war could—hopefully—end. And he wasn’t happy about that solution, but it was the best that could be done.
People who’ve whined over the years about how Kirk always came in with guns blazing and dismantled cultures because he didn’t like how they operated are TOTALLY missing the point. For example, “The Apple” featured a society which was perfectly cared for and content, and Kirk ended that. However, the POINT is that stagnation is unhealthy for a society, and being eternally cared for without agency or growth is no way to live.
There’s a whole cottage industry of books, comics, and articles which focus on how “Kirk was wrong”, and “Kirk screwed up”. So many sequel stories have gone back to show that things got WORSE after the Enterprise left a planet. Of course, people often cite THE WRATH OF KHAN as a canonical example of this, but they miss the point that Kirk gave Khan and his people a fair shot. It was unforeseen circumstances and Khan’s insane desire to blame someone for an act of nature that drove him to vengeance.
In retrospect, this whole going against the grain, “let’s ignore what the show was trying to tell us and be deconstructionist when we get our hands on the IP” mentality foreshadowed where we are now.
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asalaw
Master Member
I actually haven’t watched The Batman yet. I’ve heard it’s good, but the three-hour running time keeps shooing me away. I never seem to have three hours to sit and watch a movie that isn’t called The Godfather.
I have literally zero interest. I'm sick of Batman being moved into darker and darker and "more realistic" territory. If you could mash together the visual style and tone of the first Burton film with the strong characterizations of the first Nolan film, you'd have something pretty close to true. As it stands, THE ANIMATED SERIES is still the best adaptation of the character that's ever been done.
I was looking at some of the key art for the movie on a store's DVD display, the other day. If you hadn't told me, I'd never guess that those characters were supposed to be Catwoman, the Riddler, and the Penguin. The romantic, fantastic, and most recognizable elements are being stripped out, in favor of grim and gritty.
Same mistakes as the comics, in less time, with more money.
And it's sort of the opposite with STAR TREK, really. All of the details are there, in a funhouse-mirror sort of way--the aesthetics, the technology, etc. But the characters and the ethos have been stripped out, leaving a shallow surface dressing devoid of the depth and morality of the real thing. An expensive, pretentious, dumb husk.
The Drinker always displays whit, intelligence, and insight that far exceeds the character he portrays.
Cephus
Master Member
That's really the problem. The idiots making Star Trek today, they're like people who found the show without understanding the context of the show at all. They can replicate the look but not get remotely close to the feel. It's like they're aliens who have no clue about humanity, just aping the series for a buck.
What the hell is wrong with these people?
I would call it a combination of greed, ambition, political agenda, and plain stupidity. They just want franchises to exploit without doing the work to both honor the past and guarantee them a future. Using them as stepping stones in Hollywood. They're like locusts: Consume, then move on.
In other words, it's short-term snake-oil salesmanship.
One question I have: in WOK: why didn't Khan figure out a way to get an emergency message to Kirk when that happened? I'm sure in his vast intellect he could have rigged up some type of comm to do so. I know the problems with such a thing (technical as well as "the Federation would not take kindly to him"), but it sounds like Khan's pride wouldn't allow him to ask for help.
