NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I’ll take, “can’t get worse’
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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Well, just wait until they retcon "The City on The Edge of Forever". Pike's Enterprise ends up in the alternate timeline where Hitler won (so we can get ridiculously unsubtle commentary about modern-day "Nazis", of course) and fixes everything before Kirk and Spock did. Because this show will be about stealing away all those "firsts", like first contact with the Gorn or finding Khan and his people (and then putting them back into suspended animation after swearing them all to secrecy, because that tactic clearly works great in the KurtzmanVerse).
Or maybe they can retcon "Where No Man Has Gone Before", and have a time-traveling, godlike Gary Michell show up. And Spock will now know what happens to Mitchell prior to the TOS pilot episode, but bizarrely say nothing about it to Kirk.
Howzabout having Rainn Wilson as Harry Mudd come aboard years before he met Kirk? Or maybe reveal that the Borg built the Doomsday Machine, and tie it all in with PICARD? Or reveal that the whale probe from STAR TREK IV was actually sent into the past by Michael Burnham to tell the whales to warn Pike about something in the future, but it ended up arriving a few decades too late?
This show, like the other Bad Reboot/Secret Hideout dreck, is being built on the works on others, and is simultaneously rewriting and tearing them down. Constant nostalgia-milking, constant naval-gazing. It really is appalling to watch this once-great franchise degenerate into pure hackery which shows nothing but intellectual stupidity and contempt for both the material and the audience. STAR TREK has become the antithesis of what it was created to be, and this is the inevitable result of art becoming corporatized, by-committee pap.
Better No TREK than NuTREK, I say. Let it rest in peace instead of being dumbed down into oblivion, and making the old shows unwatchable because of all the retcons and wounds being inflicted upon them.
Looks like every single TOS Memory Alpha page will now begin with SNW references. NuPike and crew will retroactively do everything before Kirk, and do it "better".
People can say, "If you don't like it, don't watch it" (...and I don't), or "It's being reinterpreted for a modern audience (...which doesn't even watch it), but I love the real STAR TREK. I'm pained by watching its legacy slowly burn to the ground because the franchise has been hijacked by incompetent and malicious hacks and activists who don't remotely understand or care about it. It's cultural vandalism, and it's quite appalling. I look forward to its eventually being destroyed and repudiated, and am more than happy to continually point out its essential wrongness.
And, frankly, to devalue articulate criticisms by handwaving them as coming from "The I Hate Everything People" is quite arrogant, and is symptomatic of the mindset which was overtaken nerd culture. Of course, the fact that a mere handful of people are even commenting in these threads--and then only a few in the positive column--says a lot about where things stand. Back in the day, a new STAR TREK show would generated a great deal of conversation and excitement, rather than arguing among a handful of people at worst and apathy at best.
The dumb jocks have taken over and are abusing the all-time king of nerd franchises. Think about that for a moment.
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Cephus
Master Member
Never say that because it probably can.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
Two walls of text after “I’m not even posting in this thread any more.”
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Gimpdiggity
Master Member
Krieger, you knew that couldn’t happen.
Hell, this Gregatron dude just flat out said he isn’t watching it…yet he’s still in here crying about it.
This is precisely what a lot of these guys do. They don’t WANT to like this show. Even if they watch it, and find it enjoyable, they fall back on “But I KNOW it’s going to get bad.”
It’s because they like hating new stuff more than they actually enjoy old stuff.
It’s pathetic, really.
Gimpdiggity,
I get it - I really didn’t like TNG when it first aired, but after a while, I appreciated the series (and Frakes is a good director, I still think he should never command a ship, but I digress). What can I say. I am going to give SNW a chance.
If members of the community dont want to watch, that’s fine; the studios have disappointed me from time to time but I don’t get comped for any of my posts here, no matter what I say, so what difference does it make - they are still in the can, and a part of history now. I choose to see where the show goes.
Picard102
Sr Member
When the complaints are actually about "activists", wokeness, and diversity, you know they won't stop, they can't help themselves.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
You misunderstand. The complaints are not about those issues, the complaints are that those issues are being shoved down our throats by this medium as if we either agree or are on some polar opposite side.
It seems that the producers have to tick the boxes and have their scripts be 40% social issue bashing to be aired.
So, I would speak to your comment in regards to the producers being the ones that ‘just can’t help themselves’.
kalkamel
Master Member
I think what Treadwell meant is this: both this thread and the one on Picard have its detractors and defenders (the Discovery one appears to have mainly the former). Most of those who detest NuTrek have given multiple reasons as to why they don't like it (including me) e.g. bad characterization, bad science, canon violations, lack of continuity and overall bad writing. Many examples were given to support these points. NuTrek defenders on the hand mainly counter these points either by pointing some obscure facts from Trek history to support their stand or just "attack" the detractors themselves. I have not seen someone defend NuTrek by pointing out what they perceive to be its positives, e.g. how well written it is, how beautiful the cinematography is etc etc. NuTrek is clearly divisive and as a forum for cogent discussion, shouldn't we be DISCUSSING by presenting our points of view as to why we like/hate it in the hope that perhaps the other side might be inclined to accept the good/bad of NuTrek? Instead of "I hate NuTrek just because" or "I love NuTrek for reasons".
I get the debate aspect; I happen to like cinematography as an example. If something is beautifully filmed, speaking up about the craft should not create a war about the people behind the camera, nor costume designers, prop makers, etc. And whats wrong with trying something new?
Picard102
Sr Member
Star Trek has always been "woke", "ticking boxes", and about diversity and inclusion. Some of the most popular episodes have been about social issue bashing. Plenty of people were upset that there was a black captain on DS9, and that there was a female captain on Voyager, and any number of other complaints that would be labeled as "being woke" if the internet was as it is today.
But it's not the producers coming here and whining about "wokeness" saying they'll never post again about a show they've never watched and then posting again.
Points like...
- "Smashing The White Supremacist Patriarchy"
- The writers are "idiots" or "Intellectually deficient" or "stupid".
- The only reason there are black people in the cast is "virtue-signaling"
- racism against white men
- too many women in positions of power
- Star Trek died with TOS
- SJW Feminist!
- pink pussy cat hats
- Wokeness destroys everything
- The studio is taking huge losses to send a "message" about, and because, of diversity
- It has a philosophy and that makes it dangerous.
Strange that presenting facts is seen as unproductive in replies to posts complaining about Trek history that is mostly mis-remembered and assumptions.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
There is no point to address his points.
HE HAS NOT WATCHED THE SHOW, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, YET IS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
At that point, his “points” are completely irrelevant. His opinion is useless. His posts mean nothing. He has passed judgement on something he hadn’t even taken time to watch.
There is literally no point at all in trying to discuss or debate anything with someone like this. It is, in essence, talking to a wall.
Aside from that, even when people that do enjoy new Trek properties say why they like it, they are generally met with responses that are thinly veiled insults regarding their intelligence by its detractors.
You want to know why I like this show? Because it entertains me.
And that’s more valid than any nonsense that some clown that hasn’t even watched the show could ever counter with.
Picard102
Sr Member
Wait, calling someone an "apologist" for posting that they like SNW isn't the zenith of discourse? /s
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Let’s not confuse diversity with Woke-ness.
When DS9 premiered there was a black commander in charge. Nowhere was it labeled “Look everyone, we have a black man in charge on this one!” As opposed to Discovery which stated “We just cast the first trans-actress as a new crew member!”
Let this be our last battlefield showed the absurdity of racism, but in such a subtle way, some missed it. It made you think!
TNG dealt with drug addiction and suppliers taking advantage of them in another classy way.
DS9 dealt with PTSD and the long term effect it has on one’s and how others can support and help one’s suffering with it.
Voyager dealt with inclusion of different social statuses, different ideologies all deciding to come together and work in solidarity.
New Trek only seems to care about ‘hot point’ buttons. Look at us, we support diversity and woke-ness, we CAN PROVE it!
There is nothing subtle about it in the new shows. It is all in your face, and stuffed down your throat
And for those of you don’t know, I am a white man who has been married to a black woman for 34 years come this June
When DS9 premiered there was a black commander in charge. Nowhere was it labeled “Look everyone, we have a black man in charge on this one!” As opposed to Discovery which stated “We just cast the first trans-actress as a new crew member!”
Let this be our last battlefield showed the absurdity of racism, but in such a subtle way, some missed it. It made you think!
TNG dealt with drug addiction and suppliers taking advantage of them in another classy way.
DS9 dealt with PTSD and the long term effect it has on one’s and how others can support and help one’s suffering with it.
Voyager dealt with inclusion of different social statuses, different ideologies all deciding to come together and work in solidarity.
New Trek only seems to care about ‘hot point’ buttons. Look at us, we support diversity and woke-ness, we CAN PROVE it!
There is nothing subtle about it in the new shows. It is all in your face, and stuffed down your throat
And for those of you don’t know, I am a white man who has been married to a black woman for 34 years come this June
Picard102
Sr Member
There certainly were articles about Avery Brooks being black, as was there about a female being second in command (Kira). Just as there were articles about Disco casting a trans person. Rumours at the time even said they were specifically looking for a black actor and that it was revolutionary. They even called the producers politically correct (the 90's term for woke).
It was only subtle if you actively worked to ignore it.
Reaction at the time included "that stupid episode where people are painted half white and half black – the kind of heavy-handed, wannabe liberal thing that embarrasses anyone who has true feelings about racism". Sounds familiar.
My two cents, if you don't like what's being produced, feel free to get staffed at Paramount and pitch your version of Trek lol. Hell, write a spec script and send it in via a 3rd party agent for consideration/review. At the very least you can say you "Tried" to do something about it lol.
LLAP.
LLAP.
