NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I’ll take, “can’t get worse’
I’ll take, “can’t get worse’
Never say that because it probably can.I’ll take, “can’t get worse’
WeI'm not even posting in this thread anymore, but this statement demands an "ignore".
Two walls of text after “I’m not even posting in this thread any more.”Or maybe they can retcon "Where No Man Has Gone Before", and have a time-traveling, godlike Gary Michell show up. And Spock will now know what happens to Mitchell prior to the TOS pilot episode, but bizarrely say nothing about it to Kirk.
Howzabout having Rainn Wilson as Harry Mudd come aboard years before he met Kirk? Or maybe reveal that the Borg built the Doomsday Machine, and tie it all in with PICARD? Or reveal that the whale probe from STAR TREK IV was actually sent into the past by Michael Burnham to tell the whales to warn Pike about something in the future, but it ended up arriving a few decades too late?
This show, like the other Bad Reboot/Secret Hideout dreck, is being built on the works on others, and is simultaneously rewriting and tearing them down. Constant nostalgia-milking, constant naval-gazing. It really is appalling to watch this once-great franchise degenerate into pure hackery which shows nothing but intellectual stupidity and contempt for both the material and the audience. STAR TREK has become the antithesis of what it was created to be, and this is the inevitable result of art becoming corporatized, by-committee pap.
Better No TREK than NuTREK, I say. Let it rest in piece instead of being dumbed down into oblivion, and making the old shows unwatchable because of all the retcons and wounds being inflicted upon them.
Looks like every single TOS Memory Alpha page will now begin with SNW references. NuPike and crew will retroactively do everything before Kirk, and do it "better".
People can say, "If you don't like it, don't watch it" (...and I don't), or "It's being reinterpreted for a modern audience (...which doesn't even watch it), but I love the real STAR TREK. I'm pained by watching its legacy slowly burn to the ground because the franchise has been hijacked by incompetent and malicious hacks and activists who don't remotely understand or care about it. It's cultural vandalism, and it's quite appalling. I look forward to its eventually being destroyed and repudiated, and am more than happy to continually point out its essential wrongness.
And, frankly, to devalue articulate criticisms by handwaving them as coming from the "The I Hate Everything People" is quite arrogant, and is symptomatic of the mindset which was overtaken nerd culture. Of course, the fact that a mere handful of people are even commenting in these threads--and then only a few in the positive column--says a lot about where things stand. Back in the day, a new STAR TREK show would generated a great deal of conversation and excitement, rather than arguing among a handful of people at worst and apathy at best.
The dumb jocks have taken over and are abusing the all-time king of nerd franchises. Think about that for a moment.
Krieger, you knew that couldn’t happen.what happened here fellow RPFers, I thought this was a thread about the new series…not…
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Gimpdiggity,Krieger, you knew that couldn’t happen.
Hell, this Gregatron dude just flat out said he isn’t watching it…yet he’s still in here crying about it.
This is precisely what a lot of these guys do. They don’t WANT to like this show. Even if they watch it, and find it enjoyable, they fall back on “But I KNOW it’s going to get bad.”
It’s because they like hating new stuff more than they actually enjoy old stuff.
It’s pathetic, really.
Krieger, you knew that couldn’t happen.
Hell, this Gregatron dude just flat out said he isn’t watching it…yet he’s still in here crying about it.
This is precisely what a lot of these guys do. They don’t WANT to like this show. Even if they watch it, and find it enjoyable, they fall back on “But I KNOW it’s going to get bad.”
It’s because they like hating new stuff more than they actually enjoy old stuff.
It’s pathetic, really.
You misunderstand. The complaints are not about those issues, the complaints are that those issues are being shoved down our throats by this medium as if we either agree or are on some polar opposite side.When the complaints are actually about "activists", wokeness, and diversity, you know they won't stop, they can't help themselves.
You misunderstand. The complaints are not about those issues, the complaints are that those issues are being shoved down our throats by this medium as if we either agree or are on some polar opposite side.
It seems that the producers have to tick the boxes and have their scripts be 40% social issue bashing to be aired.
So, I would speak to your comment in regards to the producers being the ones that ‘just can’t help themselves’.
Points like...NuTrek defenders on the hand mainly counter these points
Strange that presenting facts is seen as unproductive in replies to posts complaining about Trek history that is mostly mis-remembered and assumptions.either by pointing some obscure facts from Trek history to support their stand
There is no point to address his points.Gentlemen, you are ridiculing Gregatron himself instead addressing his points. Do you have actual counter arguments about the subject matter? Because if all you can come up with is Ad Hominem, it doesn't say much for your case.
Aside from that, even when people that do enjoy new Trek properties say why they like it, they are generally met with responses that are thinly veiled insults regarding their intelligence by its detractors.
There certainly were articles about Avery Brooks being black, as was there about a female being second in command (Kira). Just as there were articles about Disco casting a trans person. Rumours at the time even said they were specifically looking for a black actor and that it was revolutionary. They even called the producers politically correct (the 90's term for woke).When DS9 premiered there was a black commander in charge. Nowhere was it labeled “Look everyone, we have a black man in charge on this one!” As opposed to Discovery which stated “We just cast the first trans-actress as a new crew member!”
It was only subtle if you actively worked to ignore it.Let this be our last battlefield showed the absurdity of racism, but in such a subtle way, some missed it. It made you think!
TNG dealt with drug addiction and suppliers taking advantage of them in another classy way.
DS9 dealt with PTSD and the long term effect it has on one’s and how others can support and help one’s suffering with it.
Voyager dealt with inclusion of different social statuses, different ideologies all deciding to come together and work in solidarity.