NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
To be fair…..if the shows were awesome, we’d be talking about how awesome they are.
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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firesprite
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Cephus
Master Member
Too bad they're not.
Picard102
Sr Member
Seems like if it was that terrible, we wouldn't need pages of posts trying to convince people it's bad, before the show even aired.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
But…but…but…it’s a YouTube video that supports his narrative…
Never mind the fact that he preceded the 30% of the earth’s population with a statement about all of the species that were destroyed. I took it as he meant the war eradicated 30% of the total population of the planet…animals, people, plants…not just the human population.
But then again, I’m not completely desperate to find things wrong with the show, so IDK.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Just with people who have an opinion that’s different than yours.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
That doesn’t even make any sense, but thanks for playing.
Lightning
Master Member
Greenlit? They are already filming. That's why they announced Jim Kirk, he was seen in on location photos.
Isn’t that the substance that Dr. Soran used in “Generations” to inhibit the nuclear reactions in stars?
As an aside, I see that they’ve given Number One the name “Una”. I’m not intimately versed with the novels and other spin-off materials, but my research (on Memory Alpha’s Number One page, which is now stuffed to the brim with Kurtzman-retcons) indicates that this particular name dates back at least to a Greg Cox novel from 2016. Other books and comics over the years have given her different names, including Dorothy Fontana herself dropping the ball pretty hard by saying that the character was an alien, and that “Number One” was a title conveyed upon her by her people.
This is all nonsense, of course. By all appearances, the character was supposed to be (a somewhat mysterious) human, and “Number One” was just the traditional nickname for a first officer, which of course was later used extensively for Will Riker in TNG.
From what little experience I’ve had with Cox’s novels (specifically, the Khan trilogy, which is full of fannish dot- connecting and cutesy-ness), it doesn’t surprise me that he’d go with a ridiculous name like “Una”, which is obviously a feminized version of “uno”—as in, “one”.
On the flipside, John Byrne’s comics for IDW (which I HIGHLY recommend for a gloriously fun and faithful representation of the pre-TOS/Pike era) subtly and humorously went out of their way to avoid revealing the character’s name. If you want to see nothing but logical storytelling and deep respect for that first pilot— and TOS in general—, you’ll find it in those comics, right down to the specific terminology, like “time-warp factor”. And we also get a Captain Robert April who actually looks like an extrapolation of the TAS artwork.
It’s so good, and so attentive to the details and the lore. It’s a perfect antidote to this Kurtzman show. After a number of adventures aboard other ships over several years (including the shakedown cruise of the just-built, uncommissioned Enterprise) Number One gets transferred to the Enterprise under Captain April, and First Officer Christopher Pike joins up right behind her. We also get a subtle and ironic explanation for why Number One, a mere Lieutenant (yet who is also somehow the ship’s “most experienced” officer) is First Officer in “The Cage”. She declines numerous promotions and commendations because she wants Pike’s man-of-action explorer job (and eventually gets it), but then ironically finds herself stuck on board the ship in that first pilot because she’s so good at what she does, which explains her disappointed look in the scene where Pike apologizes to her for keeping her on the ship during the initial Talos IV beam-down.
See, this is GOOD retcon-prequel-storytelling, which logically expands upon and explains things we already know from the show. As opposed to completely rewriting the characters, chronology, and technology because they simply can’t be bothered to show any respect, do any research, or put any actual thought into the writing.
This is all nonsense, of course. By all appearances, the character was supposed to be (a somewhat mysterious) human, and “Number One” was just the traditional nickname for a first officer, which of course was later used extensively for Will Riker in TNG.
From what little experience I’ve had with Cox’s novels (specifically, the Khan trilogy, which is full of fannish dot- connecting and cutesy-ness), it doesn’t surprise me that he’d go with a ridiculous name like “Una”, which is obviously a feminized version of “uno”—as in, “one”.
On the flipside, John Byrne’s comics for IDW (which I HIGHLY recommend for a gloriously fun and faithful representation of the pre-TOS/Pike era) subtly and humorously went out of their way to avoid revealing the character’s name. If you want to see nothing but logical storytelling and deep respect for that first pilot— and TOS in general—, you’ll find it in those comics, right down to the specific terminology, like “time-warp factor”. And we also get a Captain Robert April who actually looks like an extrapolation of the TAS artwork.
It’s so good, and so attentive to the details and the lore. It’s a perfect antidote to this Kurtzman show. After a number of adventures aboard other ships over several years (including the shakedown cruise of the just-built, uncommissioned Enterprise) Number One gets transferred to the Enterprise under Captain April, and First Officer Christopher Pike joins up right behind her. We also get a subtle and ironic explanation for why Number One, a mere Lieutenant (yet who is also somehow the ship’s “most experienced” officer) is First Officer in “The Cage”. She declines numerous promotions and commendations because she wants Pike’s man-of-action explorer job (and eventually gets it), but then ironically finds herself stuck on board the ship in that first pilot because she’s so good at what she does, which explains her disappointed look in the scene where Pike apologizes to her for keeping her on the ship during the initial Talos IV beam-down.
See, this is GOOD retcon-prequel-storytelling, which logically expands upon and explains things we already know from the show. As opposed to completely rewriting the characters, chronology, and technology because they simply can’t be bothered to show any respect, do any research, or put any actual thought into the writing.
Yep.
Trilithium is a 24th century development, trilithium resin is a byproduct of their ships. Memory alpha wiki kind of makes it seem like its just a 24th century byproduct (it doesn't say that, but they only mention 24th century ships), but doing a quick scan through the TNG script "Starship Mine" where "trilithium resin" was first introduced in (and the DS9 "For the Uniform" script where it's mentioned again) it's just stated to be a highly toxic and highly volatile waste product produced by their engines.
There's nothing about it being a new development, or a byproduct specific to new tech on the Enterprise-D, so I don't think its unreasonable to believe that it's always been a waste product produced by star fleet engines. Actually, I think that's what was originally implied by "Starship Mine."
Not quite— In a confusing stroke of terminology, the substance being developed by the Romulans is called "trilithium," but it is not the same substance as "trilithium resin" (maybe it was developed from studying the warp byproduct?) as Worf says it's an experimental compound the Romulans have been working on, and Riker hadn't heard of it before— so I doubt it was supposed to be the same substance mentioned in TNG and DS9 before it.
