Well made promotion for a cause long lost. Kind of blows my mind I've been without the real deal so long now.
Star Trek: Picard
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Those Goldsmith feels..... 
It's sad when a single person, and a personal computer does it better than a high-budget fx team.
It's sad when a single person, and a personal computer does it better than a high-budget fx team.
Riceball
Master Member
It's not the fault of the FX house, they only do what they afford to do based on what the studio pays them and what the studio wants. Obviously, CBS cheaped on the FX and didn't pay the FX house to do more than simply clone one ship type for each side.Those Goldsmith feels.....
It's sad when a single person, and a personal computer does it better than a high-budget fx team.
Given Starfleet's penchant for using decades old ship classes, they really could have fleshed things out with ships used in TNG, DS9, & Voyager as well as give the Romulans a few Warbirds for variety. But, I'm guessing that didn't happen because whoever worked on those shows weren't the ones who worked on Picard.
Yeah I know.
I could have phrased it: "a single person who cares about canon and verisimilitude versus a bunch of overpaid people who don't give a frak"
I read the fx guys have also all been fired.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Yes, it was clearly their fault!
I think it was due to the pandemic...
I supported their campaign back in the day and was HUGELY disappointed that Enterprise didn't get to finis its mission and finish showing the founding of the Federation along with exploring strange new worlds.
For me, the day Enterprise ended was when Star Trek ended.
I feel like the episode before the finale was the end. I was also massively disappointed. The show had been improving, the temporal and Xindi stuff was largely gone, and there were plans that excited me, being somewhat in the loop from talking to people like John Eaves and Doug Drexler and Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda and David Stipe... If it hadn't been canned, this was what we had to look forward to:
A refit NX-01 and the Romulan Wars. I might prefer this Enterprise's timeline to be in the 2240s and early '50s, with the ship getting bigger and upgraded, and the main conflict being with the Klingons (...The recalcitrant Vulcans can stay the same, though...), but I'd've watched the hell out of this regardless.
A refit NX-01 and the Romulan Wars. I might prefer this Enterprise's timeline to be in the 2240s and early '50s, with the ship getting bigger and upgraded, and the main conflict being with the Klingons (...The recalcitrant Vulcans can stay the same, though...), but I'd've watched the hell out of this regardless.
Imagine all the new sets they could include with the addition of the secondary hull, a larger engineering set (not that there was anything wrong with the original one, it was a great design) a couple of science labs, a recreation deck, maybe Archer could finally get his pool to do some water polo training!
Proposed fifth season episodes
Edit
As Star Trek: Enterprise was officially canceled on 2 February 2005, its fifth season was never produced. The series' producers, however, had already devised plans for future seasons, which could have begun to air by September 2005. Most information is based on comments by producer Manny Coto.
At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto suggested that two story arcs of the season would have been to show "origins of the Federation" and "whispers of the Romulan war". Consequently, the Romulans would be the major villains of the season, although other species may have appeared in the mini-arcs. [11]
Brannon Braga also noted that he and Rick Berman had considered making "Future Guy" a Romulan. [12]. However, later Braga claimed this was a red herring, and that the season would see future guy revealed as Archer himself, trying to influence his younger self to set right the timeline. [13] [14]
Coto had also hoped that season 5 would see more stories offering social commentary, compared to season 4. [15]
Manny Coto has also said, had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring character of Shran may have joined the Enterprise as an "auxiliary or an advisor". [16] [17]
Stratos story
Edit
The Enterprise was due to visit Stratos, showing the split-up of its society as depicted in TOS: "The Cloud Minders"
Enterprise was due to revisit (or actually pre-visit) the cloud city Stratos on Ardana. In 2004, Manny Coto admitted, "I do want to do one or two episodes that take place on the Cloud City of Stratos. I want to see the early stages of that. I think it's a very fertile place for a storyline." (Star Trek Magazine issue 118, p. 23) Despite some initial ambivalence over whether he wanted the story to be comprised of one or two episodes, Manny Coto was later clearer about his intentions for the narrative's length when, in 2005, he spoke about how he regretted having been unable to fit the Stratos storyline into the fourth season. "I really wanted to do a two-parter on that location, to see Stratos in its earlier stages," he stated. "That was a wonderful location and wonderful setting for a great two-parter." [18](X)
Kzinti story
Edit
Proposed design of a 22nd century Kzinti starship
A Kzinti episode had been suggested which would have served as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon". The concept progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship which writer Jimmy Diggs commissioned. The story was provisionally titled "Kilkenny Cats." [19]
First starbase
Edit
Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. Foreshadowing as to this had already been given in "Bound". [20](X)
Mirror universe story
Edit
Revisiting the mirror universe and possibly featuring Hoshi Sato as Empress of the Terran Empire was discussed for Season 5
Revisits to the mirror universe and Hoshi Sato, now Empress of the Terran Empire, had also been discussed. At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto revealed that one idea was to spread four or five episodes through the season, as a kind of "mini-series inside a series". He said that it was his "big regret" that he had not managed to follow through on the idea. [21]
Brannon Braga revealed via his Twitter account that before cancellation there was some talk about setting the entire fifth season in the mirror universe. [22]
Borg Queen origin story
Edit
Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2's "Regeneration" and becomes the Borg Queen. [23]
T'Pol's father
Edit
Writer/producer Mike Sussman hoped to have T'Pol finally meet her father, and reveal to the audience that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The suggestion that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for Humans as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions. ([24], Information provided by Mike Sussman)
Flint story
Edit
According to Entertainment Weekly, there was an episode "on the drawing board" to reportedly have featured Flint, under a previous alias, coming into contact with the crew of the Enterprise. The episode never made it to a script write, but initial storyboard ideas suggested a confirmation of Flint's alias of Abramson as a famous Earth scientist with possible connections to Flint knowing either (or both) Henry Archer and Zefram Cochrane. The episode would have ended with some type of discovery of Flint's nature by Phlox, leading to Flint's negative views on discussing his background with anyone, thus avoiding the "disaster of intervention" that he mentioned later in the TOS episode.
Denobula visit
Edit
Manny Coto said that he would have liked to visit Denobula. [25]
Other ideas
Edit
Manny Coto had hoped to start accepting fan scripts again, and also have arcs by noted science fiction writers David Brin, Gregory Benford, and Greg Bear. [26]
In a 2009 interview, British writer/producer Russell T Davies, showrunner of the British series Doctor Who, said that he had considered proposing a crossover between Doctor Who and Star Trek, but that the latter was canceled before the idea could be pursued. [27]
A design for a fifth season refit of the Enterprise was included in the 2011 Star Trek: Ships of the Line calendar.
As Star Trek: Enterprise was officially canceled on 2 February 2005, its fifth season was never produced. The series' producers, however, had already devised plans for future seasons, which could have begun to air by September 2005. Most information is based on comments by producer Manny Coto.
At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto suggested that two story arcs of the season would have been to show "origins of the Federation" and "whispers of the Romulan war". Consequently, the Romulans would be the major villains of the season, although other species may have appeared in the mini-arcs. [11]
Brannon Braga also noted that he and Rick Berman had considered making "Future Guy" a Romulan. [12]. However, later Braga claimed this was a red herring, and that the season would see future guy revealed as Archer himself, trying to influence his younger self to set right the timeline. [13] [14]
Coto had also hoped that season 5 would see more stories offering social commentary, compared to season 4. [15]
Manny Coto has also said, had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring character of Shran may have joined the Enterprise as an "auxiliary or an advisor". [16] [17]
Stratos story
The Enterprise was due to visit Stratos, showing the split-up of its society as depicted in TOS: "The Cloud Minders"
Enterprise was due to revisit (or actually pre-visit) the cloud city Stratos on Ardana. In 2004, Manny Coto admitted, "I do want to do one or two episodes that take place on the Cloud City of Stratos. I want to see the early stages of that. I think it's a very fertile place for a storyline." (Star Trek Magazine issue 118, p. 23) Despite some initial ambivalence over whether he wanted the story to be comprised of one or two episodes, Manny Coto was later clearer about his intentions for the narrative's length when, in 2005, he spoke about how he regretted having been unable to fit the Stratos storyline into the fourth season. "I really wanted to do a two-parter on that location, to see Stratos in its earlier stages," he stated. "That was a wonderful location and wonderful setting for a great two-parter." [18](X)
Kzinti story
Proposed design of a 22nd century Kzinti starship
A Kzinti episode had been suggested which would have served as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon". The concept progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship which writer Jimmy Diggs commissioned. The story was provisionally titled "Kilkenny Cats." [19]
First starbase
Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. Foreshadowing as to this had already been given in "Bound". [20](X)
Mirror universe story
Revisiting the mirror universe and possibly featuring Hoshi Sato as Empress of the Terran Empire was discussed for Season 5
Revisits to the mirror universe and Hoshi Sato, now Empress of the Terran Empire, had also been discussed. At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto revealed that one idea was to spread four or five episodes through the season, as a kind of "mini-series inside a series". He said that it was his "big regret" that he had not managed to follow through on the idea. [21]
Brannon Braga revealed via his Twitter account that before cancellation there was some talk about setting the entire fifth season in the mirror universe. [22]
Borg Queen origin story
Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2's "Regeneration" and becomes the Borg Queen. [23]
T'Pol's father
Writer/producer Mike Sussman hoped to have T'Pol finally meet her father, and reveal to the audience that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The suggestion that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for Humans as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions. ([24], Information provided by Mike Sussman)
Flint story
According to Entertainment Weekly, there was an episode "on the drawing board" to reportedly have featured Flint, under a previous alias, coming into contact with the crew of the Enterprise. The episode never made it to a script write, but initial storyboard ideas suggested a confirmation of Flint's alias of Abramson as a famous Earth scientist with possible connections to Flint knowing either (or both) Henry Archer and Zefram Cochrane. The episode would have ended with some type of discovery of Flint's nature by Phlox, leading to Flint's negative views on discussing his background with anyone, thus avoiding the "disaster of intervention" that he mentioned later in the TOS episode.
Denobula visit
Manny Coto said that he would have liked to visit Denobula. [25]
Other ideas
Manny Coto had hoped to start accepting fan scripts again, and also have arcs by noted science fiction writers David Brin, Gregory Benford, and Greg Bear. [26]
In a 2009 interview, British writer/producer Russell T Davies, showrunner of the British series Doctor Who, said that he had considered proposing a crossover between Doctor Who and Star Trek, but that the latter was canceled before the idea could be pursued. [27]
A design for a fifth season refit of the Enterprise was included in the 2011 Star Trek: Ships of the Line calendar.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I just rewatched The Wrath of Kahn this afternoon. Man I miss Star Trek!
So I'm a Lifetime Trek lover... started with ToS reruns... I wanted to Love Picard but I only just kinda liked it. There were too many plot holes in for my liking... To me it reminded me of a really great 2 part episode of TNG that they stretched out to fill 10 Eps. The bones of the story were good (maybe a little too close to mass effect for my liking but good). I really got tired of the constant putting down of Picard... the Dude saved the galaxy more than once - screw up once and you're a F-up for life... That really put me off. It took 5 episodes (half the season) to assemble the crew and get on with the real story... the setup in the first half of the first Ep was enough - they shoulda got to the real story then. and while I LOVE 7 of 9... that Episode on the casino planet was pretty awful, in every scene where she wasn't killing someone.
In short Too much filler - not enough tightly written story. Here is an example... if you removed the Borg Cube completely and 7 of 9 for that matter, and had everything take place on a planet or space station would it have changed the story at all? Not Really. Then why waste the Borg Cube story arc here... hell that coulda been season 2 all by itself - a newly minted android Picard with Data's Daughter Saving the Borg - perhaps so they can prevent another Borg Incursion... with a De Lancie cameo at the end, and Picard telling him "See I just needed a bit of time to get our **** together and we can handle the Borg Too".
All of that said I was a bit disappointed but not so much I hated it... I just wanted more from it. They added Marc Bernardin as a showrunner - I have hopes season 2 will be really good with him there.
Jedi Dade
In short Too much filler - not enough tightly written story. Here is an example... if you removed the Borg Cube completely and 7 of 9 for that matter, and had everything take place on a planet or space station would it have changed the story at all? Not Really. Then why waste the Borg Cube story arc here... hell that coulda been season 2 all by itself - a newly minted android Picard with Data's Daughter Saving the Borg - perhaps so they can prevent another Borg Incursion... with a De Lancie cameo at the end, and Picard telling him "See I just needed a bit of time to get our **** together and we can handle the Borg Too"
.All of that said I was a bit disappointed but not so much I hated it... I just wanted more from it. They added Marc Bernardin as a showrunner - I have hopes season 2 will be really good with him there.
Jedi Dade
Another showrunner? Is that the 4th?
And STD is on its 8th or 9th, right?
A season 5 of Enterprise would be nice.
Put the band back together!
And STD is on its 8th or 9th, right?
A season 5 of Enterprise would be nice.
Put the band back together!
patrickivan
Sr Member
Another showrunner? Is that the 4th?
And STD is on its 8th or 9th, right?
A season 5 of Enterprise would be nice.
Put the band back together!
Best way to have consistency is increasing the number of showrunners.
A season 5 of Enterprise would be great except we'd get too much crying. The Enterprise would be 50% larger somehow, and 25% different. Everyone would be broken and no one would follow orders. And we'd probably have people drunk and smoking on the bridge.
I would only want Enterprise brought back if it was with the original crew both in front of and behind the camera.
I'm completely done with any Star Trek made by JJ/Kurtzman Bad Reboot or Secret Hideaway.
That's because we now know that they are making Game of Trek or Star of Thrones or Shame of Trek and not Star Trek at all..........it's a bit like Fox's recent War of the Worlds series (which I kinda liked but made Star Trek TMP look like Fast and Furious for pace) absolutely nothing to do with WOTW but stole the title to attract an audience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm "hopeful" that wit the re-merger of Viacom and CBS that etc star trek "can" be made that doesn't have all the stupid restrictions on it (like being 25% different etc.)... But I fear that the Contracts with Secret hideout/bad robot are in place for another couple of years... so it might be a couple of years before we can see a "fixed" star trek. CBS would be wise to just put out a press release apologizing for the last 10 years of trek and say - we're going to wipe all that as a bad acid trip, and go back to real trek... I mean just disown it and move on. Its not that these were bad movies and shows... But they were bad Star Trek - IMHO. IF they were sci-fi shows and movies that hadn't been branded star trek I'd have loved them.
Jedi Dade
Jedi Dade
they will never have the guts to do that, but they likely will reboot the whole mess at some point.
In the Trek universe, didn't we move past this brown stuff that comes out of our behinds?
