Bigdaddy
Master Member
That dog's name better be Precious
Star Trek: Picard
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This guy really gets Star Trek....
.....doesn't he? Hmm, perhaps not.
.....doesn't he? Hmm, perhaps not.
Now I know why I struggled with this, I thought I was going to be watching Star Trek but instead I tuned in to Star Game of Trek instead!!! It now all seems so clear
I knew we were in trouble when STD was first announced and all of these guys kept on saying how big a fan they were of GOT, the only thing we never got was the incest, so it doesn't really surprise me that all NU Trek resembles GOT.
Before Picard, there was SHEPARD:
I guess it's the fault of the Star Trek fans. I mean, to expect a new Star Trek show to behave, sound like, feel like and look like Trek. That is a crazy concept.
I guess it's the fault of the Star Trek fans. I mean, to expect a new Star Trek show to behave, sound like, feel like and look like Trek. That is a crazy concept.
My wife and I finished the series last night, and she asked me what I thought... “I didn’t like it,” was my response.
I thought the show started strong but quickly got boring for the majority of the season building up to the grand finale...
While it was great to see some of the TNG cast back on screen together, the show just didn’t work for me.
More thoughts:
While I had high hopes for the show, it sadly didn’t live up to the expectations. Hope they can things around for the next season...
Sean
I thought the show started strong but quickly got boring for the majority of the season building up to the grand finale...
While it was great to see some of the TNG cast back on screen together, the show just didn’t work for me.
More thoughts:
My number 1 (pun intended) complaint is character development, or, more precisely, lack thereof. We don’t get to know or care about any of the crew other than one is a drug addict and the other is a murderer (which everyone else seems to conveniently forget about at the end...) I appreciate instilling the characters with flaws, but some of them push the character into villain territory.
The scene where Picard convinces Soji (don’t care enough to check the spelling of her name) to stop what she was doing seemed to go:
Picard - Stop!
Soji - No!
Picard - Please!
Soji - ...ok!
Picard dies but now he’s an aging android? Or synth? What a way to cheapen the death of the show‘s main character. Despite what they said, he’s effectively immortal because they can just make him a new body and transfer his mind of something bad happens. I thought Kirk‘s death was underwhelming in Generations, but this one beats that hands down. Star Trek is about humanity, and now Picard’s not...
The farewell scene between Data and Picard - beautiful. Killing Data a second time...way to piss off the fans...again. The whole notion behind Data wanting to die - beautiful. But now Picard’s a synth so that totally invalidates the idea.
So what’s the show about again...?
The scene where Picard convinces Soji (don’t care enough to check the spelling of her name) to stop what she was doing seemed to go:
Picard - Stop!
Soji - No!
Picard - Please!
Soji - ...ok!
Picard dies but now he’s an aging android? Or synth? What a way to cheapen the death of the show‘s main character. Despite what they said, he’s effectively immortal because they can just make him a new body and transfer his mind of something bad happens. I thought Kirk‘s death was underwhelming in Generations, but this one beats that hands down. Star Trek is about humanity, and now Picard’s not...
The farewell scene between Data and Picard - beautiful. Killing Data a second time...way to piss off the fans...again. The whole notion behind Data wanting to die - beautiful. But now Picard’s a synth so that totally invalidates the idea.
So what’s the show about again...?
While I had high hopes for the show, it sadly didn’t live up to the expectations. Hope they can things around for the next season...
Sean
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
It is really hard to believe that Patrick Stewart signed off on any of this!
I would only add give me exploration.
Gawddayum they are forgetting it all.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
So, we've folded Enterprise into the canon of "real" Trek now? Okay.
ignore
We ignore only the last episode.
When it was time to revisit TOS aesthetics, they didn't run from them for the mirror universe eps.
So, we've folded Enterprise into the canon of "real" Trek now? Okay.
We ignore only the last episode.
When it was time to revisit TOS aesthetics, they didn't run from them for the mirror universe eps.
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AnubisGuard
Master Member
I remember the outrage when Enterprise premiered. Diehard fans screamed at the top of their lungs how it wasn't real Star Trek, and they called out all the ways it violated canon. Funny to see it held up now as an example of how to do it right.
(For my money: none of that matters. What matters is that Enterprise is, was, and always will be deathly dull TV with a boring cast of characters. That Discovery and Picard are both idiot nonsense doesn't retroactively improve it.)
(For my money: none of that matters. What matters is that Enterprise is, was, and always will be deathly dull TV with a boring cast of characters. That Discovery and Picard are both idiot nonsense doesn't retroactively improve it.)
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I liked Enterprise. Just wish they'd not done the Temporal Cold War and maybe heavily re-imagined the Xindi. And not given the Andorians Human-style ears (that's what the antennæ were, back in the day). My main gripe with it was that, for what we got, it shoulda been the early voyages of NCC-1701 under Robert April. If they'd wanted to do a "founding of the Federation" story, the tech needed to be much more primitive, and they needed to not break canon (e.g., First Contact with the Klingons occurring about seventy years early). I know I keep banging on about that, but that's a hill I'll die on. As with Picard and Discovery, "what it could have been" looms large and makes the final product that much more frustrating.
patrickivan
Sr Member
I didn't LOVE Enterprise when it came out. But as a diehard fan of Star Trek, I didn't hate it or complain loudly about it. My few minor issues were that they didn't call it Star Trek until the 3rd season (a mistake for fans), the Enterprise so heavily influenced on the Akira (I don't hate it, but an original design would have been nice, but no one would have been pleased), and the Temporal Cold War arc (I ******* hate time travel episodes, even the good one, but this was too much because it was an entire story that impacted the future of trek).
I'm actually re-watching the series for the 2nd time in 5 years, and still enjoying it far more than the first time it came out. I like the characters, except for some bizarre use of Hoshi scenes. And while I'm not shy of seeing women almost naked, some odd gratuitous body shots in the decom chamber that didn't serve any point to the stories (the rubbing oil over each other, not the decom, that was a nice touch).
There was a little too much fan service with use of popular aliens, but I still enjoy seeing them.
I forget, what the hell were we talking about here?
I'm actually re-watching the series for the 2nd time in 5 years, and still enjoying it far more than the first time it came out. I like the characters, except for some bizarre use of Hoshi scenes. And while I'm not shy of seeing women almost naked, some odd gratuitous body shots in the decom chamber that didn't serve any point to the stories (the rubbing oil over each other, not the decom, that was a nice touch).
There was a little too much fan service with use of popular aliens, but I still enjoy seeing them.
I forget, what the hell were we talking about here?
patrickivan
Sr Member
I honestly don't get the vibe that he cares about the character so much, as it was an acting gig that let him play a new character. He wasn't going to play Picard, he had no interest in that and that's exactly what we got. We got very old Patrick Stewart. And the only time he as Picard actually is in charge of a ship, he has Dr. Murderer giving him tactical advice *sigh*.
Cant wait!
Riceball
Master Member
Except that it's explicitly stated that his new body was not immortal because they knew that Picard wouldn't want to be immortal. So it's more or less the same as his old body minus whatever illness it was that he had so would now live out the years (more or less) that he would have if it weren't for the disease. With that being the case, would Picard really allow himself to be put into body after body and basically live forever? No, I don't think he would want that. Plus, I got the impression that Picard's new body was the last of the golems and they couldn't make anymore. That's why it was such a big deal, they had a choice, either use the body for Maddox or for Picard.
Dude, I put that in a spoiler tag for a reason...
Yes, his body is the same age as before, but when he dies the next time, they can just CTRL-C, CTRL-V him into a new one.
Would Picard want to be immortal? Of course not. Did they consult him before transferring him to his new body when he died this time? No, so doesn’t seem like the choice is his to be made.
I must have missed the part where they said this was a one time thing, so maybe that covers it...
Would Picard want to be immortal? Of course not. Did they consult him before transferring him to his new body when he died this time? No, so doesn’t seem like the choice is his to be made.
I must have missed the part where they said this was a one time thing, so maybe that covers it...
Sean
Nakanokalronin
Sr Member
Dude, I put that in a spoiler tag for a reason...
Yes, his body is the same age as before, but when he dies the next time, they can just CTRL-C, CTRL-V him into a new one.
Would Picard want to be immortal? Of course not. Did they consult him before transferring him to his new body when he died this time? No, so doesn’t seem like the choice is his to be made.
I must have missed the part where they said this was a one time thing, so maybe that covers it...
Sean
My problem is we're now just watching Robo Picard. It's a facsimile of the real Picard, not Picard himself. They just keep making this show worse and worse with every episode so I can't wait to see the cluster in season 2.
