Star Trek: Picard

[Paul Andrew]

I'm not on a crusade to change any minds here, I know better. I'm just detailing how I look at this show. I like enjoying things more than having daggers out for them, so that's the lens I view the show through. When I said I had more questions it wasn't because I was pissed they didn't answer them, it was because I'm excited to learn more down the line.

 

[renaissance_man]

Here come the false equivalency comparisons or one line of dialogue, or single occurrence in over 50 years if Trek to defend the massive creative dump that is the single source of truth for the creators of Picard.

I continue to see posts that actually argue for the acceptance of mediocrity by beginning with statements that acknowledge the mediocrity of STP, but then attempts to justify it with argument that there has always been some small portion of mediocrity, or creative blunders, in the franchise so, it’s OK, I guess, for a series that is defined by creative mediocrity and blunders?

“Well, it’s no more worse than...”

Where are you seeing these comments?
I'd be curious to hear their justifications.

 

[kalkamel]

Now that "JL" is literally a synth, I wonder who gets to hold on to his remote controlled switch? It would definitely come in handy whenever he gets argumentative or overbearing in Season 2.

 

[Paul Andrew]

No. That's not how transporters work. Next...

Between "The Enemy Within", "Return of the Archons", "Return to Tomorrow", "Turnabout Intruder", "The Measure of a Man", "The Schizoid Man", and "Second Chances", Trek has historically skewed to there being, as Data put it, "an ineffable quality" to conscious existence that requires seriously advanced technology or one-in-a-trillion convergence of happenstance to carry over, beyond the mere matter. But if those are present/used, then it's still the most important part of what made you you. When Ira Graves imprinted his mind on Data's, his emotion and instability carried over, even though Data had no emotion chip at that point.

Is there a canonical transporter FAQ somewhere? I'd love to read it.

Here's how I think about the brain to android copy problem.
Suppose you are copied exactly and transferred. You wake up and you're you.
What if your old body is still alive and coherent? From your pov you're you, but from your old body's pov you're a copy. Kind of terrifying actually.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Where are you seeing these comments?
I'd be curious to hear their justifications.

Let the scroll and search feature lead the way, my friend.

 

[renaissance_man]

Let the scroll and search feature lead the way, my friend.

I thought you meant elsewhere. It's evident here.

 

[jettajeffro]

Also, was it ever made clear why Maddox sent the girls to live among humans secretly? Was the mom strictly a hologram or what?

 

[Treadwell]

Cristobal and Raffi using the "magic imagination device" to fix the ship is just to setup it's use later for "the Picard maneuver." I guess that's the definition of a MacGuffin, isn't it?

No, that was a deus ex machina.

A MacGuffin is the thing that all parties in the story are after. "You must retrieve that microfilm, 007, or if you must, destroy it before it falls into the wrong hands."

Soji is the MacGuffin of this show.

 

[Treadwell]

The tacked on romance of two couples who had shown no attractions previously (or had even met, as pointed out) was just whhaaaaaaa???

Despite the circumstances, surely there should be a trial, or something, for the murder of Maddox?!? It's just a rule of drama; she can have a moral redemption by doing something noble, but she still must pay for her crime. As my old screenwriting teacher would say, "(so-and-so) MUST DIE."

 

[Caveneau]

Let's not forget the fantastic foreshadowing of next season of the STD. I was shaking my head before the episode even started.

 

[Treadwell]

What happened with Narek? He was tackled when they were trying to blow up the emitter, and never seen again.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

What happened with Narek? He was tackled when they were trying to blow up the emitter, and never seen again.

Agnes’s magical purple “Make It So Device” (MISD) must have taken care of that plot hole, somehow.

 

[robn1]

 

[Johnnyfl]

My whole point was that Trek doesn't answer those questions.
In fact, I don't think they ever explained how synthetic the new synths are. Like, they look and feel like flesh people so what about them is fake? Do they have metal bones? We never see one taken apart. It seems as if they're more like bioengineered than walking computer people.

They are Cylons!!!!!

 

[Ron]

Between this thread and RLM, I've never had this much enjoyment following a series I haven't watched one episode of haha.

Thanks, guys .

 

[Paul Andrew]

They are Cylons!!!!!

Bsg also left me with the same question

 

[ajaxjones]

IMHO all synths should be self-isolating

 

[AJTaliesen]

One thing having a golem Picard is that if Sir Patrick decides he doesn't want to do the show anymore they just put Picard into a different golem and say the old one broke down for some reason. That isn't anymore absurd than anything else we have seen.

The best thing of the entire episode was seeing Riker in uniform again. He really looked like he belonged on the bridge in command.

Then would they change the series title?
STAR TREK: GOLEM-ARD

Is this really Picard going forward? Do synths have souls?
If not then the series died when biological Picard died.

Captain Who

 

[ajaxjones]

IMHO all synths should be self-isolating

apart from exercise and essential food supplies of course

 

[Hammer3246]

I enjoyed it, can't be bothered with over analyzing every nuance. It's a tv program nothing more.