Strikerkc
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Did that guy ever finally get killed by one of his misadventures?
Star Trek: Picard
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Did that guy ever finally get killed by one of his misadventures?
TazMan2000
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Paul Andrew
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For me it was nice to get a decent send off for Data. I never expected he would stick around, given Spiner's public opinions on continuing the character. I think I have more questions about his 'kids' than I started with though.
As for the golem, you could see it coming a mile away, and it's not any better or worse than any other space magic techno babble reason for anything else in Trek ever as far as I'm concerned.
Chris (and his variations) is far and away the stand out new character for me. Looking forward to another season.
As for the golem, you could see it coming a mile away, and it's not any better or worse than any other space magic techno babble reason for anything else in Trek ever as far as I'm concerned.
Chris (and his variations) is far and away the stand out new character for me. Looking forward to another season.
The Golem is just a dopey idea though. Bring Picard back as a synth in the exact same looking body with zero consequences. It's just false jeopardy for the sake of a contrived piece of plotting. When did they download his consciousness.
If it's that quick and easy why isn't everyone a synth?
They lift the synth ban NOW? After the synths contacted a galaxy ending entity, they decided to now lift the ban. Surely it is for THIS reason you impose a ban, not lift one.
Again these are the most basic things you have to think of when you decide to write this mumbo jumbo into official canon.
I appreciate your liking the show and I'm not questioning you.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Not any more dopey than any of the times Geordi said "Well, I suppose I could invert the deflector dish and that would positively charge the neutrino field and disperse the nebula enough for us to pass through" or some variant thereof.
That scenario sounds way more plausible, given it has a basis in particle physics.
It's more plausible and realistic than cloning Soong type androids from "a single positron".
I dont think the writers realise a positron is a subatomic particle not a strand of synthetic DNA.
But seriously the implications of everything laid out by the plot points set up have lasting consequences which are very likely to just be swept under the carpet when they do a soft reboot for season two's new world/galaxy ending event.
One thing having a golem Picard is that if Sir Patrick decides he doesn't want to do the show anymore they just put Picard into a different golem and say the old one broke down for some reason. That isn't anymore absurd than anything else we have seen.
The best thing of the entire episode was seeing Riker in uniform again. He really looked like he belonged on the bridge in command.
The best thing of the entire episode was seeing Riker in uniform again. He really looked like he belonged on the bridge in command.
Then would they change the series title?
STAR TREK: GOLEM-ARD
Is this really Picard going forward? Do synths have souls?
If not then the series died when biological Picard died.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I think the real question is are souls a thing.
I've always been fascinated by Trek's skirting the edge of these topics.
Does a transporter kill you then make an exact copy?
If you copy your brain into an Android are you still dead because it's only a copy of you?
Picard in Generations: Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we’ve lived. After all Number One, we’re only mortal.
But in Picard we learn OUR MORTALITY DEFINES US
Errrrr???
But in Picard we learn OUR MORTALITY DEFINES US
Errrrr???
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Those statements do not conflict in my mind.
I guess you'll have to keep your fingers crossed that they answer your question regarding the copying of your brain into an android. It may be that it was just another fleeting thought thrown in to give some shocking plot twist that they killed Picard... but then we waved our magic wand and he's back, so it'll be fine.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
My whole point was that Trek doesn't answer those questions.
In fact, I don't think they ever explained how synthetic the new synths are. Like, they look and feel like flesh people so what about them is fake? Do they have metal bones? We never see one taken apart. It seems as if they're more like bioengineered than walking computer people.
Let me tell you about a man named, Alex Kurtzman!
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I didn't notice that, but I will say the wig was bad. Just... wrong.
No. That's not how transporters work. Next...
Between "The Enemy Within", "Return of the Archons", "Return to Tomorrow", "Turnabout Intruder", "The Measure of a Man", "The Schizoid Man", and "Second Chances", Trek has historically skewed to there being, as Data put it, "an ineffable quality" to conscious existence that requires seriously advanced technology or one-in-a-trillion convergence of happenstance to carry over, beyond the mere matter. But if those are present/used, then it's still the most important part of what made you you. When Ira Graves imprinted his mind on Data's, his emotion and instability carried over, even though Data had no emotion chip at that point.
jettajeffro
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I feel like all the uniforms fit terribly, the old Data ones, the Mars attack time period ones and current ones. Basically all look like fan ones. From that first scene in the show it bugged me to death!
Yeah there's been some fan edits of better, accurate Data hair, like they couldn't have done that too?
One thing I will say, is that I loved how the costumes and look of the android community was very much classic Trek, bright colors, gaudy jewelry, long hair and bare mid-drifs.
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I had to watch Data die again?! Here I was hoping that maybe this whole show was leading up to a type of Data resurrection.
Of course he doesn't remember dying, this Data memory was downloaded into B4, well before he blew himself up!
So they managed to resurrect Data from the memory fragments in B4, but didn't give him a new body or upgrade B4 to handle it?
So during the entire TNG and movies time period people can't crack making working androids and the minute Data dies we have hundreds working as slaves. Was there an explanation for that anywhere?
There's talk of more and more TNG stars and regulars in the next season. That can get old realllll quick, but I do hope Barclay is one. Every time Picard meets another old cast member they just need to say "son of a bitch, I'm in".
Yeah there's been some fan edits of better, accurate Data hair, like they couldn't have done that too?
One thing I will say, is that I loved how the costumes and look of the android community was very much classic Trek, bright colors, gaudy jewelry, long hair and bare mid-drifs.
Other notes:
I had to watch Data die again?! Here I was hoping that maybe this whole show was leading up to a type of Data resurrection.
Of course he doesn't remember dying, this Data memory was downloaded into B4, well before he blew himself up!
So they managed to resurrect Data from the memory fragments in B4, but didn't give him a new body or upgrade B4 to handle it?
So during the entire TNG and movies time period people can't crack making working androids and the minute Data dies we have hundreds working as slaves. Was there an explanation for that anywhere?
There's talk of more and more TNG stars and regulars in the next season. That can get old realllll quick, but I do hope Barclay is one. Every time Picard meets another old cast member they just need to say "son of a bitch, I'm in".
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Honestly, I'm patterning a better-tailored version of the "All Good Things...", "Endgame", "The Visitor" future uniform, just for spite.
Hell, they should have just pulled what Disney have been able to, uh, enable in the MCU and Star Wars and mapped Brent's peformance-capture onto a target-age-appropriate body double and de-aged Data, a la Michael Douglas in Ant-Man, Kurt Russell in Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 (some shots), Sam Jackson in Captain Marvel (some shots), etc. Used camera fakery and the double for all angles that don't show much face.
Also, regarding actors versus their characters, combined with uniforms... Looks like Riker accepting his own command finally actually hurt his career:
Prior to Picard going into the Nexus, his likely future saw him a full four-pip Admiral by the same point in the timeline. I'm impressed Michael Westmore got Frakes' likely ageing so close, too. Plus, nicer uniform and insignia.
Here come the false equivalency comparisons of one line of dialogue, or single occurrence in over 50 years of Trek to defend the massive creative dump that is the single source of truth for the creators of Picard.
I continue to see posts that actually argue for the acceptance of mediocrity by beginning with statements that acknowledge the mediocrity of STP, but then attempts to justify it with argument that there has always been some small portion of mediocrity, or creative blunders, in the franchise, if you just look hard enough to find them.
“Well, it’s no more worse than...”
I continue to see posts that actually argue for the acceptance of mediocrity by beginning with statements that acknowledge the mediocrity of STP, but then attempts to justify it with argument that there has always been some small portion of mediocrity, or creative blunders, in the franchise, if you just look hard enough to find them.
“Well, it’s no more worse than...”
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