Star Trek: Discovery (2017)

How are you watching Star Trek: Discovery?

  • Signed up for CBS All Access before watching the premiere

    Votes: 13 9.0%
  • Signed up for CBS All Access after watching the premiere

    Votes: 13 9.0%
  • Not signing up, but will watch if it's available for free

    Votes: 82 56.9%
  • On Netflix (Non-US viewer)

    Votes: 36 25.0%

  • Total voters
    144
I feel like a better title for this would be "Star Trek: Retcon." Not only have they been retconning the established history of Star Trek, they've retconned their own show as they go. For example, Lt. Cmdr. Airiam was never really established as a character, really just a visual, so they added all her backstory in the same episode they killed her off. She never showed any emotion (not they they ever really gave her many lines or opportunity to do so), but all of a sudden, we find out she's not only capable of emotion, and had close relationships with the other crew, but a human (humanoid?) that had extensive cybernetics to enable her to live. Apparently, it was established in episode 3 of "After Trek" (which I've never watched) that she was an "augmented alien." I still think they originally intended her to be an android, but the fact that Data was already established as the first android in Starfleet, they decided to change her backstory to avoid conflict.

Other retconning:

Klingons - Changed their look (again). This isn't out of the ordinary in Trek; obviously, the Klingons and other races have been changed visually in the past. But ST:Ent tried to offer a reason why they looked radically different than in the TOS episodes. STD has thrown that reasoning away and offered no explination as to why. Oh, they did give them hair and beards this season, though, so they retconned their own Klingons in that regard. They also changed a lot of the Klingon traits, especially how they hold "honor" above all else. They just seem unnecessarily savage. I still blame Game of Thrones for its influence on the first season of STD (or rather the execs who wanted to make Trek into GoT).
By the way, the fact that Ash Tyler/Voq is an official member of Section 31, and thereby an official member of Starfleet, doesn't that mean Worf is no longer the first Klingon in Starfleet? I guess they can say Ash's Klingon-ness is a secret to most, so it doesn't really count.

Spock - Obviously a HUGE retcon to his character. Now he has a human foster sister that he grew up with and shaped his character, yet we never heard of her before STD. By the way, where was Sybok in all this? Wasn't Spock's half brother raised in the family too? ST V was a crap film, but it's still cannon as far as I know (I hated the retcon of Sybok then, as I do the adding of Michael Burnham to Sarek's clan).

Saru - He, and his race, get a retcon this season too. Now he's not the fearful, death-smelling alien he once was, but a confident killing machine. Not sure what to make of this, other than maybe the production crew didn't want to have to CGI those danged ganglia in all the time. Seriously though, they probably realized it doesn't serve much in storytelling to have a character who constantly has a physical reaction to danger.

Enterprise - Captain Pike gets reassigned to Captain the USS Discovery, which I don't believe was ever established before. There's oviously a lot of retconned stuff regarding the technology of TOS and Pike's Enterprise, but I take some of it with a grain of salt. I do think there's a way to upgrade the visuals and tech of the TOS era in moderation without going full 21st century sci-fi future tech visuals. Which leads me to the tech in STD...

Technology - So now we have the spore drive, enabling instantaneous access to anywhere in the universe (which kind of invalidates TOS's Five Year Mission "to boldly go where no man has gone before"). I will say that Star Trek hasn't always seemed consistent about the speed at which their ships can travel and how long (or short) it can take for a starship to get to any place in the universe (it seemed like earth was always just a few hours away, no matter where any of the ships were - except Voyager, of course).
You also have Section 31 creating a personal time travel suit, using time crystals (ugh), and other technology like communicator badges well before the TNG era. The tech of the com badges don't bother me as much, since we actually have the technology to do that now, in real life. It only bothers me that they made it a bigger deal by pointing out how Section 31 has those cool communicator badges wile Discovery and the rest of the fleet doesn't. It doesn't really serve any purpose in storytelling, and they've offered no reason as to why it really matters.

I'm sure there's more retconned stuff to get into, but I'm tired of typing for now.


You made the error of using your brain and “thinking” while watching STD—that is a “no-no” and not what the creators intended.

Next time, I encourage you to turn your brain off; now, this is difficult to do, I know, but I have found that by ramming my head into a brick wall, I assume the drooling, mindless, idiotic stupor that the creators of STD intended. Only then, can you truly enjoy STD.
 
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You made the error of using your brain and “thinking” while watching STD—that is a “no-no” and not what the creators intended.

Next time, I encourage your to turn your brain off; now, this is difficult to do, I know, but I have found that by ramming my head into a brick wall, I assume the drooling, mindless, idiotic stupor that the creators of STD intended. Only then, can you truly enjoy STD.
Yes, that would probably help. I have been trying that at times, but it ends up with me just not paying attention while I watch.
For example, I tried not to think about the whole "Section 31 mines" sequence. But too many things don't make sense. Why does the federation allow them to build illegal mines? Is there no oversight? Why did Pike and the Discovery crew decide the best way to get through the mines, which are attracted to shields, was to just plow through? Couldn't they have sent an unmanned shuttle or two, with their shields up, through the mine field first, to attract the mines and clear a path for Discovery? Or simply target the mines and blow them up? And why their was solution to "be random" in their movements so the mines couldn't anticipate them? Wouldn't the mines with 23rd century AI be able to figure that supposedly random movement anyway? And it didn't seem to stop them getting hit by dozens of mines, so what purpose did those largely ineffective mines, that did minimal damage to an un-shielded ship, serve?
Argh.
 
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I feel like a better title for this would be "Star Trek: Retcon." Not only have they been retconning the established history of Star Trek, they've retconned their own show as they go. For example, Lt. Cmdr. Airiam was never really established as a character, really just a visual, so they added all her backstory in the same episode they killed her off. She never showed any emotion (not they they ever really gave her many lines or opportunity to do so), but all of a sudden, we find out she's not only capable of emotion, and had close relationships with the other crew, but a human (humanoid?) that had extensive cybernetics to enable her to live. Apparently, it was established in episode 3 of "After Trek" (which I've never watched) that she was an "augmented alien." I still think they originally intended her to be an android, but the fact that Data was already established as the first android in Starfleet, they decided to change her backstory to avoid conflict.

Other retconning:

Klingons - Changed their look (again). This isn't out of the ordinary in Trek; obviously, the Klingons and other races have been changed visually in the past. But ST:Ent tried to offer a reason why they looked radically different than in the TOS episodes. STD has thrown that reasoning away and offered no explination as to why. Oh, they did give them hair and beards this season, though, so they retconned their own Klingons in that regard. They also changed a lot of the Klingon traits, especially how they hold "honor" above all else. They just seem unnecessarily savage. I still blame Game of Thrones for its influence on the first season of STD (or rather the execs who wanted to make Trek into GoT).
By the way, the fact that Ash Tyler/Voq is an official member of Section 31, and thereby an official member of Starfleet, doesn't that mean Worf is no longer the first Klingon in Starfleet? I guess they can say Ash's Klingon-ness is a secret to most, so it doesn't really count.

Spock - Obviously a HUGE retcon to his character. Now he has a human foster sister that he grew up with and shaped his character, yet we never heard of her before STD. By the way, where was Sybok in all this? Wasn't Spock's half brother raised in the family too? ST V was a crap film, but it's still cannon as far as I know (I hated the retcon of Sybok then, as I do the adding of Michael Burnham to Sarek's clan).

Saru - He, and his race, get a retcon this season too. Now he's not the fearful, death-smelling alien he once was, but a confident killing machine. Not sure what to make of this, other than maybe the production crew didn't want to have to CGI those danged ganglia in all the time. Seriously though, they probably realized it doesn't serve much in storytelling to have a character who constantly has a physical reaction to danger.

Enterprise - Captain Pike gets reassigned to Captain the USS Discovery, which I don't believe was ever established before. There's oviously a lot of retconned stuff regarding the technology of TOS and Pike's Enterprise, but I take some of it with a grain of salt. I do think there's a way to upgrade the visuals and tech of the TOS era in moderation without going full 21st century sci-fi future tech visuals. Which leads me to the tech in STD...

Technology - So now we have the spore drive, enabling instantaneous access to anywhere in the universe (which kind of invalidates TOS's Five Year Mission "to boldly go where no man has gone before"). I will say that Star Trek hasn't always seemed consistent about the speed at which their ships can travel and how long (or short) it can take for a starship to get to any place in the universe (it seemed like earth was always just a few hours away, no matter where any of the ships were - except Voyager, of course).
You also have Section 31 creating a personal time travel suit, using time crystals (ugh), and other technology like communicator badges well before the TNG era. The tech of the com badges don't bother me as much, since we actually have the technology to do that now, in real life. It only bothers me that they made it a bigger deal by pointing out how Section 31 has those cool communicator badges wile Discovery and the rest of the fleet doesn't. It doesn't really serve any purpose in storytelling, and they've offered no reason as to why it really matters.

I'm sure there's more retconned stuff to get into, but I'm tired of typing for now.

I agree with everything here EXCEPT: "The tech of the com badges don't bother me as much, since we actually have the technology to do that now, in real life."

No way in hell do we have anything ever remotely comparable to even TOS, no, even to Enterprise Communicators, let alone TNG.

Our mobile devices can't communicate without a network in place, and that's precarious at best. The best walkies (that work best with line of sight) we have don't compare to base stations, that are super bulky and power hungry. Satellite phones/ radios require satellites, and power is an issue.

No, I wish we did, but take away those networks, and we're left with limited range basic comms.
 
I agree with everything here EXCEPT: "The tech of the com badges don't bother me as much, since we actually have the technology to do that now, in real life."

No way in hell do we have anything ever remotely comparable to even TOS, no, even to Enterprise Communicators, let alone TNG.

Our mobile devices can't communicate without a network in place, and that's precarious at best. The best walkies (that work best with line of sight) we have don't compare to base stations, that are super bulky and power hungry. Satellite phones/ radios require satellites, and power is an issue.

No, I wish we did, but take away those networks, and we're left with limited range basic comms.

I hadn't thought of it that way. I guess I never really thought about networking with regard to comm badges. Obviously they don't have cell towers on every planet they visit. I was thinking more of the technology to make a communication device in a comm badge sized item exists today. I confess to not knowing the theoretical tech of Trek communicators, so if each communicator needs to create it's own broadcast and reception without the aid of a network, I guess that's something we can't replicate with today's technology. I assumed, though, that the starships themselves were the main component of the communications tech, and they were providing the signal for all the communicators and comm badges to connect to, rather than each communicator being an independent, walkie-talkie type device.
 
In the spirit of Family Guy, isn’t it about time someone said “shut up, Tilly!” Rapidly becoming the most annoying character with her constant interrupting the captain and other senior officers with her inane whitterings.
Yes, though I actually liked Tilly earlier on in the series, she especially exemplifies the lack of any realistic military order aboard Discovery. I feel like every other iteration of Star Trek a least had a command structure in place. Even if there were informalities among the senior staff, people knew their place. And if they got out of line, they were called out on it. Sure, sometimes they might get a little leeway, but ultimately, officers had to respect their superiors and speak in a respectful manner. In the Discovery universe, a lack of respect for that chain of command, and even outright insubordination, is apparently allowed onboard Starfleet vessels.
 
Don't forget STD is really GOT in space so it makes sense that Section 31 would be more Gestapo than Men in Black.
 
Well ya.... It used to be that Time Travel (never a long term storyline fav of mine), used to involve Star Ships with massive amounts of energy/ power being employed.

Now, er, then, you can, could, do it with a skin tight suit and a crystal... Because the details don't matter anymore. Just like Ariam's big death. Everyone was shown to be so distraught over this character that we never knew. But it doesn't matter, because the story as they write it now, doesn't care for the details.

Writer 1: "Hey- we want to show things that we never saw on Star Trek. All the minutia, like crying at funerals, and long winded shaky camera conversations. Let's show how REAL people talk and act."

Writer 2 "Great idea! Oh, I know, we NEVER saw anyone use the washroom in Star Trek. I mean, reaaaallly use it, like deuces time. What's up with that? Let's show Tilly taking a dump! That'll put the show on it's head. The viewers will love it!"

Writer 1 " Ho-LY ****! You are the best writer, EVER! If I may add to that? Let's show her running out of TP! What do you do? What would TILLY do in STAR TREK?"

Writer 2 "Good Lord, you are ******* awesome! Well, she'd swear. Let's get more pointless swearing on the show. She'd sure as hell contact a high ranking officer for help. So Suru or Pike for sure. And pinky swear that he won't tell anyone what happened."

Writer 1 "Right, but then Burnham finds out. She should spend about 2 minutes describing how hurt she is that Tilly didn't call her for help. Get her eyes to well up and all that good stuff. It shows such REAL emotion. Throw in some quotes from Alice in Wonderland again- I think people NEED that. To know where she's coming from."

Writer 2 "****, this stuff practically writes itself!"

Writer 1 "Right? Now let's put some Star Trek into the show"

Writer 2 "some Star- what?"

I haven't been watching? Is this real?

If so, I may actually start watching again, just out of curiosity.
 
In the spirit of Family Guy, isn’t it about time someone said “shut up, Tilly!” Rapidly becoming the most annoying character with her constant interrupting the captain and other senior officers with her inane whitterings.
Picard sure as hell would have told her to Shut Up. Riker wouldn't have taken her ****. Data would have politely discussed her inappropriateness. Geordi would have been disappointed in her, but his patience would have waned into a short small burst of anger at her. Dr Crusher would be very stern with her. Even super duper annoying Troi would have had a talking to with her.

Even Wesley would tell her how appropriate she is, and that's Not how we behave in Starfleet.

I miss that.
 
I haven't been watching? Is this real?

If so, I may actually start watching again, just out of curiosity.

I'm honestly expecting to one day see a close up of Tilly scrunching her face. Thecamera pulls slowly out as she continues to make these horrific facial expressions, to finally reveal she's sitting on the crapper, pigeon toed, trying to get a stuck loaf out of the oven. While in the background, we hear Burnham rehearsing her 10 minute monologues, inserting eye moisturizer to make them look big and wet, pinching her neck to make sure it's ****** just right, and looking at pictures of dead kittens to ensure she has just the right look of sadness.

In some odd grand effort to show us more of the pointless things we don't need to see, to show us how real they are.
 
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