Star Trek: Discovery (2017)
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So the show runners keep bragging that the next two episodes: the two part finale .....will finally answer all of our questions about how Disco lines up with canon etc....
What a horrible thing to say
They should be telling fans our exciting it will be and how proud they are of their work. Instead they are making half hearted apologies and excuses.
What a horrible thing to say
They should be telling fans our exciting it will be and how proud they are of their work. Instead they are making half hearted apologies and excuses.
Well.... that didn't halfway suck.
"It's all a holodeck simulation being run in the thirtieth century after the Temporal Cold War has utterly destroyed the proximal timestreams of all these versions of Trek from the 1960s to the 2860s and some far-future historians are trying to piece together what really happened, and not realizing they're only getting some of the details right."
Anyone else think Michael is going to end up in the 24th Century?
Finally slogged my way through the series to catch up to todays latest episode.
With the beautiful exception of the reappearance of the Enterprise , which was very well done and, I've got say it, a wonderfully updated design, the rest of the entire episode appeared to be just a very, very long goodbye to Michael Burnham once again.
This show just drowns itself in sentimentality. I find myself struggling to recall a single story recently when there aren't tears streaming down someone's cheeks or they aren't all hugging each other for support, or somebodies telling somebody else how important they are, how much they loved them etc. And nearly always , slap bang in the middle of it its MB. Again and again.
Compare the numbingly saccharin impact of this kind of repetitively themed cryfest writing to something as dignified and grownup as can be found in "Voyager" and most of the other ST shows (which to be fair all have their own very poor episodes) .
Remember "Drone"? The advanced self created Borg that defended the ship by choosing to die even when he could have been saved ?
I haven't seen that in years but I can still recall how much it moved me , how restrained yet completely heart breaking Seven's loss was at the end, all contained in a single sentence "You're hurting me" and her face glimpsed in a mirrored surface at the end. Brilliant.
Thats the Star Trek I like ,not this soap box crap. Its hard to find respect for any crew member who spills their heart and guts as if every new mission and meeting was some sort of self help group intervention support program for personal therapy (which incidentally is what I'll need if it continues this way).
I literally cut about twenty minutes of this kind of thing out of todays episode without missing anything critical to the story.
God knows where they are going with all this . I can only hope its somewhere or some time better..
With the beautiful exception of the reappearance of the Enterprise , which was very well done and, I've got say it, a wonderfully updated design, the rest of the entire episode appeared to be just a very, very long goodbye to Michael Burnham once again.
This show just drowns itself in sentimentality. I find myself struggling to recall a single story recently when there aren't tears streaming down someone's cheeks or they aren't all hugging each other for support, or somebodies telling somebody else how important they are, how much they loved them etc. And nearly always , slap bang in the middle of it its MB. Again and again.
Compare the numbingly saccharin impact of this kind of repetitively themed cryfest writing to something as dignified and grownup as can be found in "Voyager" and most of the other ST shows (which to be fair all have their own very poor episodes) .
Remember "Drone"? The advanced self created Borg that defended the ship by choosing to die even when he could have been saved ?
I haven't seen that in years but I can still recall how much it moved me , how restrained yet completely heart breaking Seven's loss was at the end, all contained in a single sentence "You're hurting me" and her face glimpsed in a mirrored surface at the end. Brilliant.
Thats the Star Trek I like ,not this soap box crap. Its hard to find respect for any crew member who spills their heart and guts as if every new mission and meeting was some sort of self help group intervention support program for personal therapy (which incidentally is what I'll need if it continues this way).
I literally cut about twenty minutes of this kind of thing out of todays episode without missing anything critical to the story.
God knows where they are going with all this . I can only hope its somewhere or some time better..
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Moreover
How about a LITERAL COUNTDOWN clock in the background as Capt Pike delivers his goodbye speech. I was thinking “can we do this later prehaps?”
But that Enterprise bridge!
So it was obviously a set redress of the Disco bridge, which, like in the TNG era makes sense in universe showing that all Starfleet ships are similar. So I can over look that.
BUT
A redress or not, that bridge set looked expensive. You’re telling me they did an expensive redress just for two episodes only!?! CMon! Give us a Pike Series!!!
How about a LITERAL COUNTDOWN clock in the background as Capt Pike delivers his goodbye speech. I was thinking “can we do this later prehaps?”
But that Enterprise bridge!
So it was obviously a set redress of the Disco bridge, which, like in the TNG era makes sense in universe showing that all Starfleet ships are similar. So I can over look that.
BUT
A redress or not, that bridge set looked expensive. You’re telling me they did an expensive redress just for two episodes only!?! CMon! Give us a Pike Series!!!
Why not? They did a pretty intensive redress of the Enterprise bridge in "Yesterday's Enterprise, and we never saw it again, even though we got references to it later through Sela.
And the number of times the movie Enterprise bridge was redone as another Starfleet ship -- some, like the Hathaway, very different and distinctive -- or even alien ships or planetary offices? And still got used again as the Enterprise bridge in TFF, TUC, and GEN.
JiminSTLouis
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They should re-tool this whole show and call it Captain Pike.
I could not agree more with all of your points. This was just one long testimonial by everyone regarding why Michael is the center of their universes. She even had time to bring Sarek to the brink of tears; admitting how wrong he has always been and how the wisdom of Michael has made his faults apparent to him. She has taught them all so much; I am sure that Sarek, Spock, and Amanda will speak of her often in years to come....
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They really should re-name this show as:
Star Trek: Endless Posturing & Long-winded Speeches
Or...
Star Trek: Help Me Michael Burham...You’re My Only Hope
Star Trek: Endless Posturing & Long-winded Speeches
Or...
Star Trek: Help Me Michael Burham...You’re My Only Hope
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My favourite would be Star Trek: Self DIscovery ……..
Most appropriate of all, simply...
.............Michael Burnham: A Star Trek Story
.............Michael Burnham: A Star Trek Story
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Speeches. Speeches! SPEECHES
We have Last Jedi spaceship logic at play again. They're being chased by S31 ships, but somehow a shuttle can get there from Vulcan first.
"Spock loves you deeply." You were raised on Vulcan, surely you know that is the last thing Sarek wants to hear, or what Spock would want him to know. THESE ARE NOT PLEASANT THINGS TO HEAR TO A VULCAN. Surely you know that.
A supernova will NOT kill all life within several light years! LIGHT YEARS?! You kiddin'?
OF COURSE the AI, which was smart enough not to let you delete it, would also not allow you to remote destruct. DUH.
So now you're just going to go back and use the ship as always, despite the fact it has a program that can control the ship on it?! Why doesn't it just turn of life support?
There are plenty of other ways to destroy a ship you know. Just toss a hand grenade with a really long fuse over by the intermix chamber and run.
Once again Engineering during a crisis is the totally appropriate time and place to have intimate discussions.
"Well folks, we have this problem, and we could try these various sensible possible solutions. What's that, interrupting Michael? You have an insanely off the wall idea from out of nowhere and you say no other ones make sense? And your nutball ideas very rarely turn out well? Well, that's it then, all other considerations are off the table, what Michael wants is what Michael gets! Prepare your hugs and speeches everyone!"
We have Last Jedi spaceship logic at play again. They're being chased by S31 ships, but somehow a shuttle can get there from Vulcan first.
"Spock loves you deeply." You were raised on Vulcan, surely you know that is the last thing Sarek wants to hear, or what Spock would want him to know. THESE ARE NOT PLEASANT THINGS TO HEAR TO A VULCAN. Surely you know that.
A supernova will NOT kill all life within several light years! LIGHT YEARS?! You kiddin'?
OF COURSE the AI, which was smart enough not to let you delete it, would also not allow you to remote destruct. DUH.
So now you're just going to go back and use the ship as always, despite the fact it has a program that can control the ship on it?! Why doesn't it just turn of life support?
There are plenty of other ways to destroy a ship you know. Just toss a hand grenade with a really long fuse over by the intermix chamber and run.
Once again Engineering during a crisis is the totally appropriate time and place to have intimate discussions.
"Well folks, we have this problem, and we could try these various sensible possible solutions. What's that, interrupting Michael? You have an insanely off the wall idea from out of nowhere and you say no other ones make sense? And your nutball ideas very rarely turn out well? Well, that's it then, all other considerations are off the table, what Michael wants is what Michael gets! Prepare your hugs and speeches everyone!"
But the re-imagined enterprise looked cool on the inside, right? 
Hammer3246
Sr Member
Next week will be epic. Bring on season 3! Myself and so many more cannot wait for the 3rd season ham sandwich.
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