OK...I just watched episode 2 of season 2, “New Eden”.
Geez....
Geez....
Star Trek: Discovery (2017)
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Hammer3246
Sr Member
Yeah, it was awesome, can't wait for episode 3.
That is how I felt about New Trek. I liked them as sci fi and ignored that there were people named Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
STD just isn't Trek for me and a wisecraking Pike and an emo Spock doesn't do it for me either.
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
I hope they get back to where they started. Season 2 isn't bad until now, but it's going into this 90s boring Trek missions direction with tons of that stupid pseudo scientific tech babble.
I like Pike, hope they cut Tillys part to less than the half of what it's now. It feels like she's an ancestor of Wesley Crusher. Can oversee Saru, he's that typical ST character. Don't need him, but he's not as annoying as Tilly.
I think they can do something out of that Angel story. That's the advantage of shows with a consistent story.
I like Pike, hope they cut Tillys part to less than the half of what it's now. It feels like she's an ancestor of Wesley Crusher. Can oversee Saru, he's that typical ST character. Don't need him, but he's not as annoying as Tilly.
I think they can do something out of that Angel story. That's the advantage of shows with a consistent story.
Random thoughts--
1. I see what they've done. They set up this frame of a serialized arc with these "red space" phenomena, they chase them down, and each one there will be part of the larger red angel mystery, but the A story can focus on a very Trek-like one off story (like New Eden). Clever, but it time will tell if it holds up.
2. I think the term Mary Sue is inherently sexist. I know there is a male version, but the concept of a character that is good at everything was never decried by fandom until it happened with female characters. That said, a character sans flaws who is good at everything is never a great thing to hang a show on, and if ever have I seen an insanely over the top example of it-- it's Burnham.
3. You're all on crack. I'd marry Tilly in a heartbeat.
4. I still don't see why this show had to be a prequel. In fact, I think had they pulled a TNG and just jumped to the far future it could have explained all the tech, new aliens, changes to familiar things and pretty much everything. The only thing the prequel gives them is Michael having grown up with Spock, and I haven't seen anything that is worth that. She could have been a human raised by Vulcans with an estranged brother-- it being Spock gets them nothing.
5. Like others, I enjoy this show as a fun sci-fi serial adventure, it's when I try to reconcile it as Trek that it falls apart.
6. The production design and FX are still the best thing going for it. Makes me pine for a Mass Effect TV show.
1. I see what they've done. They set up this frame of a serialized arc with these "red space" phenomena, they chase them down, and each one there will be part of the larger red angel mystery, but the A story can focus on a very Trek-like one off story (like New Eden). Clever, but it time will tell if it holds up.
2. I think the term Mary Sue is inherently sexist. I know there is a male version, but the concept of a character that is good at everything was never decried by fandom until it happened with female characters. That said, a character sans flaws who is good at everything is never a great thing to hang a show on, and if ever have I seen an insanely over the top example of it-- it's Burnham.
3. You're all on crack. I'd marry Tilly in a heartbeat.
4. I still don't see why this show had to be a prequel. In fact, I think had they pulled a TNG and just jumped to the far future it could have explained all the tech, new aliens, changes to familiar things and pretty much everything. The only thing the prequel gives them is Michael having grown up with Spock, and I haven't seen anything that is worth that. She could have been a human raised by Vulcans with an estranged brother-- it being Spock gets them nothing.
5. Like others, I enjoy this show as a fun sci-fi serial adventure, it's when I try to reconcile it as Trek that it falls apart.
6. The production design and FX are still the best thing going for it. Makes me pine for a Mass Effect TV show.
Cephus
Master Member
That would be a Gary Stu, and yes, people have complained about all of these terrible self-insertion characters since fanfic started back in the 70s. And Burnham is crap, but so too is Discovery.
Shryyyk
Sr Member
S02E02 was quite a divergence from what I was expecting - I hadn't read the synopsis at all, and I have to admit I did enjoy the fact they were basing an episode on that particular period of the ST timeline. It bugged me a little bit that they're playing a bit fast-and-loose with GO:1/Prime Directive, (like the Suru short), but I'm happy to go with it as standard plot-device. There was also the "I hope we meet again some day / I'm know we will" exchange which was very telling. Will be interested to see where that goes...
I don't disagree that they've messed with characters/canon design, and I can understand that people are frustrated by that because it shows a level of disregard for the source material, but I believe that the showrunners and artists working on the show are fans of Star Trek, and that these decisions when taken are taken in the interest of creating a compelling show that appeals to a broader audience, which, after all, is the only reason anything stays in production.
I've come to the realisation that I must be a "fair-weather" Trekkie, because in spite of the huge divergence from the material I grew up with (TNG/DS9 etc), I personally don't actually mind it at all and enjoy the show/nu-trek movies for what they are. It would be hugely disorienting to me as a viewer for the production to have tried to fit a 2016+ production to a 1960s technical/art style (or even 1980s+). Call that what you will but if the production design and FX are solid (which they undoubtedly are), then I'm happy
Between Disco, The Expanse & Altered Carbon - there's some really solid Sci Fi on TV right now.
203 was... fun?
It was clearly a backdoor pilot for the Michelle Yoeh Section 31 show in the works. It's going to be the most anti-Trek Trek show ever... but I'll watch it.
The now-hairy Klingons are a step back in the right direction I suppose-- but they are still mush-mouthed and look like a race of Jason Vorhees.
I swear though, if Burnham made teen Spock fall in love with her so she could reject him I'm going to quit so fast.
There's so much about this show I DO like, but building Michael's character around the assassination of Spock's is cheap and unneeded.
It was clearly a backdoor pilot for the Michelle Yoeh Section 31 show in the works. It's going to be the most anti-Trek Trek show ever... but I'll watch it.
The now-hairy Klingons are a step back in the right direction I suppose-- but they are still mush-mouthed and look like a race of Jason Vorhees.
I swear though, if Burnham made teen Spock fall in love with her so she could reject him I'm going to quit so fast.
There's so much about this show I DO like, but building Michael's character around the assassination of Spock's is cheap and unneeded.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
That would be awful, but at the same time about the only payoff that could possibly be worth all this "mystery box" buildup.
Because you just know that whatever they do give us will be very disappointing.
kalkamel
Master Member
After the somewhat progressive first two episodes of the season, the third was a let down for me. They tried cramming too much plot development into a single episode and that resulted in a disjointed mess, particularly the Klingon storyline. L'Rell's final words in the episode made me roll my eyes. And as much as I like Michelle Yeoh, the idea of giving a genocidal tyrant from another dimension access to Starfleet secrets and tech is mind boggling.
When I saw the D7 hologram I was hopeful. After that it just descended into another soap. The MIchael / Ash awkward call-the- ex for help hologram phone call was hilariously bad ,as was the paint-your- own-Klingon face with a listening device sub plot. And Tillies "fungal friend" drove me mad in about two minutes. And the rest of it was just as bad.
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kalkamel
Master Member
Was it the D7 though? It looked more like a K'Tinga to me.
Good God Man...I just threw-up in my mouth when I read that....
She actually makes Neelix likeable by comparison....so irritating
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Noeland
Master Member
As much as I enjoyed the first 2 episodes of the season, I thought this episode was a complete miss. I just don't care about the Klingon storyline, at all. And the whole "I painted my face with listening tech" was moronic, as was that character in general. The idea that he'd want to spy on them was not. However, there could have been so many better ways to write that into the story. The baby. What a needless waste of time. The fake heads made me laugh. She's obviously going to lose her position later on when it's revealed they are both still alive. Ash will have to save her, bla, bla, bla.
I like Tilly too. But her story this season is terrible. What would be so wrong about the training program she's in being her challenge to overcome? Why does it have to be a parasite blob monster that can see her memories? Oh yeah, that's more "Trek" I guess. And what kind of tech exactly can "suck" something like that out of you?
I'm not really asking.
I like Tilly too. But her story this season is terrible. What would be so wrong about the training program she's in being her challenge to overcome? Why does it have to be a parasite blob monster that can see her memories? Oh yeah, that's more "Trek" I guess. And what kind of tech exactly can "suck" something like that out of you?
I'm not really asking.
The descent in quality writing continues in the latest episode.
Ash has fully embraced the merging of his Klingon heritage with the Hipster / Lumbersexual heritage of his human forefathers.
Now all that is left is for him to find a quiet spot on the Klingon home world for a tiny house for himself and his beastly Klingon lady-friend (shudder / puke):
Ash has fully embraced the merging of his Klingon heritage with the Hipster / Lumbersexual heritage of his human forefathers.
Now all that is left is for him to find a quiet spot on the Klingon home world for a tiny house for himself and his beastly Klingon lady-friend (shudder / puke):
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