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The USS Franklin. This ship looks way too much like the NX-01. If it becomes the Enterprise-A I'm going to be very disappointed.
Probably Akira class. I have not read any Star Trek books so I had never heard of it until I mentioned seeing the NX 01 during a battle scene in the last season of DS9.

I am really tired of them destroying the ship in every other movie and giving it the number 1701-_. Someone call the US Navy and tell them the the new Enterprise should be CV-6-C, not CVN-80.

I'm also tired of changing the uniforms every movie. Maybe there is a union rule that requires it.


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So written by Simon Pegg and Doug Jung, directed by Justin Lin.....good, I guess. Still produced by JJ Abrams..ridiculously over-the-top scenarios...not a plus in my book.

Hope springs eternal though. Will definately see it, of course!!
 
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Well it could be both... depending on your point of view i guess. :p

What about this exchange?

Kirk: I'm familiar with your compulsion to follow the rules but you see, I can't do that. Where I come from, if someone saves your life you don't stab them in the back.
Spock: Vulcans cannot lie.
Kirk: Than I'm talking to the half-human part of you. Alright? Do you understand why I went back for you?​

I could have easily used logic to explain why saving Spock was in the best interest of everyone, but sadly that's not what Kirk uses. He thought it would be better to tell Spock that he doesn't want to deal with his 'alien' half and goes on to say that only his 'human' half can understand why he was worth saving. And this is never treated as an issue.
 
Probably Akira class. I have not read any Star Trek books so I had never heard of it until I mentioned seeing the NX 01 during a battle scene in the last season of DS9.
The NX-01 is... not... in... DEEP SPACE NINE. Even Sisko and the the temporal officers disregard it.

I'm also tired of changing the uniforms every movie. Maybe there is a union rule that requires it.

There were much needed changes. The delta-shield pattern reeked of "Superman Returns", the female officer uniforms were somehow more sexist than they were in the 60s and I actually like the new jackets. Oh, btw. If you watched the fan event, they showed some behind the scenes footage with the costume designer and she talked about how the change in uniform design allowed female officers to finally show their rank. That actually got applause from the attendees.
 
"We're gonna reboot the franchise to take in a bold new direction"
"But what will the story be?"
"I don't know, just copy what they did before." :facepalm
I've been saying almost the same thing since the 2009 movie. They wiped out the previously established timeline so they could tell new stories without being tied to that timeline, but all they've done so far is steal, tweak, and replicate things we've already seen in Trek. This movie might break from that, but that remains to be seen.

No, it was not. I saw a ship that looked like it during a battle scene and I mentioned it somewhere on here. I was told it was an Akira class ship, not the NX 01. I'm on my phone so I cannot embed the picture.

http://ryanlb.com/images/trek/enterprise-nx01-akira-em-1.JPG
I remember that being one of the often repeated complaints when Star Trek: Enterprise first aired--that the configuration of the NX-01 was too derivative of the Akira class.
 
I've been saying almost the same thing since the 2009 movie. They wiped out the previously established timeline so they could tell new stories without being tied to that timeline, but all they've done so far is steal, tweak, and replicate things we've already seen in Trek. This movie might break from that, but that remains to be seen. ...

Good storytellers are rare these days and the audience seems to be less demanding than it used to be. Look at the many reboots these days. And even if they don't call it a reboot, it's just a copy of things we've already seen. The new "Star Wars", for example. In my opinion it's just a modern "New Hope" with better special effects.
 
Good storytellers are rare these days and the audience seems to be less demanding than it used to be. Look at the many reboots these days. And even if they don't call it a reboot, it's just a copy of things we've already seen. The new "Star Wars", for example. In my opinion it's just a modern "New Hope" with better special effects.

At least The Force Awakens felt like Star Wars. JJ-Trek still doesn't FEEL like Trek to me. There's no sense of wonder or curiosity to it, in my opinion.
 
I honestly didn't mind TFA being a retelling. For one thing, ANH was itself kind of a retelling, but for another, and much more importantly it felt like an homage.

NuTrek hasn't felt like an homage, just a cash grab. They picked up a few cosmetic elements of the original while missing the soul of what made it good to begin with.


It feels weird to say this...but I just don't think I'm a Trek guy anymore.

it's weird because...I used to be big time...I saw every movie on opening day since Wrath. I went to the cons, bought the swag. Even made the trip to the Vegas thing (which BTW was AWESOME).

This new trek is interesting sci fi, but there's no magic for me. Maybe I'll catch it on itunes. If I'm bored one weekend.
 
This new trek is interesting sci fi, but there's no magic for me. Maybe I'll catch it on itunes. If I'm bored one weekend.

there's no magic for a lot of things with me anymore.

Maybe because I've been dissapointed so many times..

Bay Turtles. FeigBusters. Batman VRS Superman, the DC Animated universe movies.

the FUN and excitement has gone out of everything except marvel movies for me. and thats the weird thing, because I have no emotional attachment to those characters or that universe, because to me, it's all new.

Although at least on a basic level, I can kind of enjoy JJ trek. but it's not star trek. and that makes me sad that we'll probably never get star trek again, because the casual audience has taken over what we used to hold so dear. now hollywood is making it more for them than for us. if that makes sense. it's the only way you can explain people who don't CARE about big name franchises GETTING These big name franchises...
 
So after watching the trailer a few times here is what I see:

The editors and filmmakers most likely heard the backlash about the first trailer so to correct it as best they could they changed up the music (good choice) added a more serious tone to the trailer (good choice) and attempted to make it seem as though there is a lot more story to it. HOWEVER. Even looking solely at the new trailer you can clearly tell that this is an action adventure scifi film. There is a massive amount of destruction and action even in the new trailer. The filmmakers probably heard the complaints and attempted to adjust the feel as best they could, but the truth is the film has been made. Short of putting everything on hold for reshoots (which would never happen) this film is going to be a fast and furious action adventure in space. I appreciate them attempting to acknowledge their mistake, but the truth is the film will tell it all. Combining the two trailers is proof to me that it is going to be what I just stated. Now that is in not way judging the film and saying it won't be good. I will see it before making that judgement.

On another note, it has been said may of times that they wanted to take Star Trek in a bold new direction, but after the last film and now seeing the promotional poster for this one it seems to me they don't have a lot of original ideas and reuse a lot of what's been done. Mostly as fan service from what I can tell hoping to keep us all engaged in the reboot.
 
So after watching the trailer a few times here is what I see:

The editors and filmmakers most likely heard the backlash about the first trailer so to correct it as best they could they changed up the music (good choice) added a more serious tone to the trailer (good choice) and attempted to make it seem as though there is a lot more story to it. HOWEVER. Even looking solely at the new trailer you can clearly tell that this is an action adventure scifi film. There is a massive amount of destruction and action even in the new trailer. The filmmakers probably heard the complaints and attempted to adjust the feel as best they could, but the truth is the film has been made. Short of putting everything on hold for reshoots (which would never happen) this film is going to be a fast and furious action adventure in space. I appreciate them attempting to acknowledge their mistake, but the truth is the film will tell it all. Combining the two trailers is proof to me that it is going to be what I just stated. Now that is in not way judging the film and saying it won't be good. I will see it before making that judgement.

On another note, it has been said may of times that they wanted to take Star Trek in a bold new direction, but after the last film and now seeing the promotional poster for this one it seems to me they don't have a lot of original ideas and reuse a lot of what's been done. Mostly as fan service from what I can tell hoping to keep us all engaged in the reboot.

They already did pretty substantive reshoots, and even wrote in a whole new character during said reshoots played by the lovely Shohren Aghdashloo. It is what it is at this point.
 
...the FUN and excitement has gone out of everything except marvel movies for me. and thats the weird thing, because I have no emotional attachment to those characters or that universe, because to me, it's all new...
I don't think it's weird at all. If you are a fan of, say, Batman, you've probably read the comics, watched the movies and/or animated features, and have established certain expectations about the character. So when you read a comic or see a movie in which the representation of Batman doesn't meet your expectations you're more likely to be disappointed than entertained. But because you're unfamiliar with the Marvel universe and it's characters, you have no such expectations so you can simply watch those movies, accept them for what they are, and enjoy them without concerning yourself with whether or not they got this character or that character "right".

With regards to Star Trek, I've been watching since the original series premiered in 1966. I found The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager disappointing, only somewhat liked Enterprise, and found the movies prior to the 2009 reboot to be hit-or-miss, so I'm accustomed to not having my expectations met. :D
 
I don't think it's weird at all. If you are a fan of, say, Batman, you've probably read the comics, watched the movies and/or animated features, and have established certain expectations about the character. So when you read a comic or see a movie in which the representation of Batman doesn't meet your expectations you're more likely to be disappointed than entertained. But because you're unfamiliar with the Marvel universe and it's characters, you have no such expectations so you can simply watch those movies, accept them for what they are, and enjoy them without concerning yourself with whether or not they got this character or that character "right".

With regards to Star Trek, I've been watching since the original series premiered in 1966. I found The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager disappointing, only somewhat liked Enterprise, and found the movies prior to the 2009 reboot to be hit-or-miss, so I'm accustomed to not having my expectations met. :D

Pre-conceptions will ruin anything for a person. Very important in the "hobby" that we are all part of to reason ourselves out of the pre-conceptions to try and ensure we can enjoy something.
 
I don't think it's weird at all. If you are a fan of, say, Batman, you've probably read the comics, watched the movies and/or animated features, and have established certain expectations about the character. So when you read a comic or see a movie in which the representation of Batman doesn't meet your expectations you're more likely to be disappointed than entertained. But because you're unfamiliar with the Marvel universe and it's characters, you have no such expectations so you can simply watch those movies, accept them for what they are, and enjoy them without concerning yourself with whether or not they got this character or that character "right".

With regards to Star Trek, I've been watching since the original series premiered in 1966. I found The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager disappointing, only somewhat liked Enterprise, and found the movies prior to the 2009 reboot to be hit-or-miss, so I'm accustomed to not having my expectations met. :D

for me, i liked next gen (even season one and two). Ds9 I apprecaiated more over time, even though it felt less like star trek and more like something else. I didn't care for the religious aspect and the war aspect. Voyager was a welcome distraction, but thanks to the network that didn't live up to it's potential and had issues all it's own.
Enterprise...a damn shame because I liked the cast and loved scott bakula in the star trek world..but it wasn't what i wanted.

as for the movies, generations is best not thought of...neither is nemeis. but I liked insurrection and first contact.

I just don't know what to make of these new movies. they arn't going bodly so much as copying their own and other franchises. there was no need to reset the universe.
at least in the comics we got a fun one with Q going back and forth between the two universes ;o).
 
Pre-conceptions will ruin anything for a person. Very important in the "hobby" that we are all part of to reason ourselves out of the pre-conceptions to try and ensure we can enjoy something.

Well, there's preconceptions and there's preconceptions.

There's a degree of preconception where, for example, it's unrealistic and you're bound to be disappointed. In the realm of comic book movies, I'd say a good example would be expecting complete 100% fidelity to the source material, down to the spandex outfits with perfectly defined musculature. It's just not gonna happen. The films are always adaptations rather than 1:1 reproductions.

But it's still fair to expect that the core of the characters will remain mostly intact from what came before. Again, in the comic book realm, this means things like, you know, Batman doesn't kill, or if he does, it's either (A) accidental, or (B) specifically noted as being different from his M.O. or something he moves away from or something. Or it means, for example, that Steve Rogers' Captain America isn't a jingoistic, brutal "Team America: World Police" type who's willing to use lethal force even when he doesn't need to (that'd be more appropriate for John Walker, a.k.a. Super Patriot, a.k.a. Cap's replacement).

With the Trek films, the core of what made Trek what it was, and what made the characters who they were, was stripped out and replaced with generic action movie tropes. They're well-made action movies, good ripping yarns that entertain as roller coaster rides, but...they aren't really Star Trek. That's also not to say that the "real" Trek films that preceded them were all that much better at capturing what made Trek Trek every time, but at least they were trying. These films actively try to move away from that, while making nods to only the most superficial, overt aspects of the franchise. They're Trek for people who are only passingly familiar with Trek. That's by design.

But I think, as I've said before, that these movies were really just filling a void, which is now being filled with its original inhabitant: Star Wars. This has had the effect of crowding Trek out, coupled with the fact that the old school fans have started to lose interest in this iteration. Action Trek, or Generic Space Adventure Film Series, is fine for what it is...but it isn't Trek and I think the more "casual" audience just doesn't really care much one way or the other, and is happy to shift their allegiances to franchises with which they're more familiar or which do this stuff a little bit better.
 
Trek fans didn't (derisively) call it the Akira-prise for nothing.

And it's not like the Akira-class was a bad design. In fact, with all the Dominion War designs that came out, the Akira was probably the best, followed by the Steamrunner and the Saber classes. The Norway class had potential, but the triangular nacelle pylons ruined the flow.

No, if the folks tasked with ship design on Enterprise had just pulled out a little creativity, they could have come up with something that was unique, yet in line with Starfleet design aesthetics. Instead, it was like they said "Let's copy the basic design of this obscure ship from DS9! Nobody will ever know the difference!"

Unfortunately, the design they copied was actually a fan favorite.

Busted.
 
And it's not like the Akira-class was a bad design. In fact, with all the Dominion War designs that came out, the Akira was probably the best, followed by the Steamrunner and the Saber classes. The Norway class had potential, but the triangular nacelle pylons ruined the flow.

No, if the folks tasked with ship design on Enterprise had just pulled out a little creativity, they could have come up with something that was unique, yet in line with Starfleet design aesthetics. Instead, it was like they said "Let's copy the basic design of this obscure ship from DS9! Nobody will ever know the difference!"

Unfortunately, the design they copied was actually a fan favorite.

Busted.
I'm sure someone somewhere who is/was responsible for maintaining the Star Trek universe has explained the similarities by saying, "Oh, the Akira class was based on the NX-01, not the other way around," regardless of their origins in real-world chronology. I don't have a problem with the design of the NX-01, but I do agree with the people who believe it shouldn't have looked more advanced than the Original Series' ships. That being said, I wish either Enterprise would have had a fifth season, or that they would have introduced the NX-01 Refit before the series ended just to show some progress towards the Constitution class.
 
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