My friend, what could you possibly have done to have felt that you deserved such torture?
ST: Strange New Worlds Canceled
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My friend, what could you possibly have done to have felt that you deserved such torture?
Lightning
Master Member
The real issue is that it had already been done in Best of Both Worlds.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Just watched episode two. It was a fun episode, and they sealed the deal by playing Wham at the party!
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Unfortunately they're 0/2 for me this season. "Hegemony, part II" was technobabble-driven plot trash, and "Wedding Bell Blues" was a story in search of a purpose. I have no idea what "The Trickster" was hoping to get out of his stunt, and neither Christine or Spock really learned anything either. And to directly rip off the ending of another TOS episode like that...
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I’m with you on that. I just had to mentally push all that aside and watch the episode.
Of all the crap they’ve called Star Trek on their streaming service, this is the closest one to the Trek I like
Speaking of remakes, how many Voyager episodes were direct remakes of TNG episodes?
My friend, the unique way in which SNW is consistently described….
If it were a restaurant, this would be the typical Yelp review:
AnubisGuard
Master Member
That's kind of insulting to those of us who actually like the show. I rated the new episodes so poorly because I expect better of SNW -- and usually get it.
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Not sure how my critique and observations of statements made regarding the show are personally insulting (unless one is involved in creating the product)? That’s certainly not my intention.
Help me understand.
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
So many people have complained about Spock in this show, and yes, he’s been the butt of several jokes. He’s ‘too emotional’ to be Spock.
But, I also understand what they’re doing with him. This is a younger version of Spock. He’s trying to balance his Human and Vulcan sides.
The Spock we knew had deliberately subsided his Human side and his emotions.
We’re seeing Spock grow into that man. Watching him be in love with Christine and her rejection of him, makes the TOS Spock I know seem even more powerful. When she later was in love with Spock, he’d already buried that part of his past along with its emotions.
We’re now watching him become that version of Spock.
Other than season 3 of Picard, this is the only New Trek that feels close to the old ones.
But, I also understand what they’re doing with him. This is a younger version of Spock. He’s trying to balance his Human and Vulcan sides.
The Spock we knew had deliberately subsided his Human side and his emotions.
We’re seeing Spock grow into that man. Watching him be in love with Christine and her rejection of him, makes the TOS Spock I know seem even more powerful. When she later was in love with Spock, he’d already buried that part of his past along with its emotions.
We’re now watching him become that version of Spock.
Other than season 3 of Picard, this is the only New Trek that feels close to the old ones.
Cephus
Master Member
I barely made it through the first season and dropped it like a hot rock. Saying this is the closest thing to TOS is like saying fast food is the closest thing to fine dining because at least it's not crap.
Sorry but the problem with Spock is that he is written like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
I’m still watching the show but more often than not I’m disappointed. They’ve completely abandoned canon at this point. I have no idea what timeline this is supposed to be in and I don’t think the show runner does either.
The only way to watch this is to think of it as a reboot.
I still think the problem is none of the writers understand what Trek is. They know the words, optimistic, family, etc. but they don’t actually understand what any of that means.
Trek used to lead the way as an entertainment property but now it follows, copying other more successful works. They’ve turned the Gorn into a copy of Alien. They did a musical that made no sense at all. I’m sorry but the writing is more often than not mediocre to bad.
The only way to watch this is to think of it as a reboot.
I still think the problem is none of the writers understand what Trek is. They know the words, optimistic, family, etc. but they don’t actually understand what any of that means.
Trek used to lead the way as an entertainment property but now it follows, copying other more successful works. They’ve turned the Gorn into a copy of Alien. They did a musical that made no sense at all. I’m sorry but the writing is more often than not mediocre to bad.
I have no idea how a member critiquing a show is insulting to you as someone who enjoys it.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Did you not see the fake Yelp review expressing his opinion that we're all just willing to eat garbage?
Careful, AnubisGuard , you're harshing the whine party....
I think you read that into the review. At no point was that stated.
But even if it was, so what? The criticism that a modern audience is willing to accept mediocrity is a valid argument.
My post with the Yelp review was in reference to my observations of statements made by other RPF members, across multiple threads, regarding SNW.
Those statements, again, made by other members, seem to frequently describe SNW as:
1. Often falling short in writing quality, fumbling how they portray various characters, and failing to demonstrate an understanding of canon.
2. Observation #1 is OK because the franchise has occasionally had some clunky episodes or movies that fell short, in the past, and therefore, justifies the shortcomings often seen in SNW. Or, observation #1 is ignored as much as possible.
3. Despite the shortcomings often seen in the show, SNW is regarded as the best that Kurtzman has been able to offer as Modern Trek. At least it’s not as offensive as Seasons 1 and 2 of Picard or all of Discovery.
These are just observations.
Also…please don’t take statements that I make on this board too seriously…I am a Dunsel, after all. I’m not trying to personally insult anyone here.
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What blows me away is, I recently saw an interview with Anson Mount in which he said that they take 6 months to shoot only 10 episodes.
I know I’ve said this before, but compare that to TOS, TNG, VOY, ENT, in which they produced over 20 episodes, per season.
I know I’ve said this before, but compare that to TOS, TNG, VOY, ENT, in which they produced over 20 episodes, per season.
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Right, it was 26 episodes a year.
