Space: 1999 help needed...

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by Zaphod, Oct 19, 2005.

  1. Zaphod

    Zaphod Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,
    I got the Laser Weapon MKI / MKII Stun Gun Model & the comlock kits as a gift.

    Anyone have a light kit for either of these?

    Or tips on how to make these more movie accurate?

    Anyone ever seen the How To Build: Wilco. Models' Prop Replicas cd? Is it worth the cash?
     
  2. Darth Domain

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  3. Zaphod

    Zaphod Well-Known Member

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    I saw that thread, thanks.

    I just thought it better to start a new thread on this.
     
  4. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I will post up my current grabs and notes for whom may be interested. :)

    Like Star Trek, Space: 1999 seems to have higher-quality foreground props as well as crappier background props (tho as we will see the crappy ones are often pressed into service for closeups!)

    Here's a closeup laser stungun prop from "Breakaway". One could call it a "hero" (tho even hero props had no working parts except perhaps a "plungable" trigger). Note the flat top (no stun/kill switch).

    Even tho "Breakaway" is the first episode, this prop looks pretty beat up - note that two of the four colored squares on the side of the grip are missing.

    The tapered conical knobs on the sides (under the trigger) look as though they could be metal. Also the "emitters" in front appear to be metal.

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    When large multiples of lasers were needed, the propmakers mass-produced vacuform shells (this shot is from "Alpha Child" early in the first season).

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    For the first season episode "Full Circle" it was necessary to have a big honking SWITCH on the prop so that setting the weapon from "stun" to "kill" could be done in a dramatic close-up. For this scene a makeshift slide switch was added to the top of the laser.

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    In the second season, a more refined (but still overlarge and ugly) Stun/Kill switch was rigged up, with the type turned around so the viewer could see it even in a medium shot. This switch appeared on most of the hero props after that point.

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    Also in the second season "crapazoid" vacuform shells were often seen in the hands of the main actors, or even in screen-filling closeup shots!

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    Here's Maya's opened-up laser from "All That Glisters" (second season). Evidently this is just one half of a crapazoid vacform shell, with electronic tubes and wires and crap thrown in.

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    In the case of the commlock prop, the "working" hero video-screen commlock was only used in featured closeups; that prop appears to be slightly larger than the one usually seen.

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    Most commlock props were just solid blocks, with labels in place of buttons, although the main actors often had chips of plastic for buttons.

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    For replicas, the commlock to beat right now would be CYProductions... this is claimed to have been copied directly from a midgrade screenused prop.

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    Right now the best laser stungun replica comes from SIDkit in Italy. A kit is sold thru their website, and he has builtup replicas from time to time on Ebay.

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    I think the tiny type on the commlock ID card and also on that black-and-gray gridded label on the bottom cube of the prop, all came from the copyright info at the bottom Letraset dry transfer lettering sheets.

    The lettering sheets were made in both black and white.

    This kind of dry transfer lettering is very fragile and tends to flake off. They would have sprayed it with a fixative, but on-set handling would have just destroyed it. (my guess is that they took a photograph of the label and then reproe'd that for the actual props).

    Also they probably didn't want the type to be readable even in closeup, so they just rubbed down random letters to make a jumble. I think it's intended to represent a sort of "futuristic" version of the bar code labels that were just starting to be used at that time (1975),


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    Also note how the lines on the grid seem hand-drawn. Or possibly hand-applied rule-tape I suppose.


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    In "Missing Link" (above) they've rotated the picture just for that one shot, so you can see it better in the camera angle! :lol

    Speaking of wacky commlocks, Koenig seemed to always have a different photo on the side of his ... in "Ring Around the Moon" he does away with the ID card completely and just has a big imperial portrait of his glowering mug... :lol:

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    - Karl
     
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  5. DrStranglove

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    Cool exp.. I did not know any of that stuff.
     
  6. Zaphod

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    Thanks for all that info phase pistol.

    I've emailed SIDkit, to see if they'd sell me the non-resin parts seperately. Hopefully they:
    1) say yes
    2) the parts are the same size.
     
  7. Darkknight0667

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    A quick caveat emptor here, SIDkit is an alleged recaster. According to this thread, his PKD kit is a recast of Richard Coyle's. Not saying that his Commlock and Stun Gun are also recasts, but just wanted to make you aware of some of his history. What you do with the information is up to you.
     
  8. Zaphod

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    Thanks for the info.

    I got this response from them anyway...
    Does Coyle sell upgrade parts?
     
  9. docholl

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    Just picked-up a Commlock and Laser from CY Productions. Both are very nice. Great detail and cheaper than MIM. :)
     
  10. Zaphod

    Zaphod Well-Known Member

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    Those look pretty cool.
     
  11. Zaphod

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    First progress pic:

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    This is with bondo filling in all the bubbles and such, and sanded down.

    Please excuse my God aweful "official James Bond" digi-camera's pics.

    I have no idea what the purpose is for the hole, that's on the bottom of the handle is for. So, I decided that for aesthetic value, and for "real world feel", I removed it.
     
  12. Roger Ramjet

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    I love that prop, always have...Good job on the prep work...

    UFP
     
  13. Krel

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    The hole is called a lanyard ring. It is so a cord could be attached from the but of the laser, to the ring on the holster. It is incase you dropped the weapon, you would not loose it. Used by the calvery, and explorers in the ninteenth, and early twentyith centuries. Sometimes the cord was looped around the wearer's neck.

    David.
     
  14. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Nice laser Zaphod. :thumbsup

    I wondered about the hole, or rather the whole tab-with-a-hole thing, since the lasers are usually seen stored just placed on top of a curtain rod to hold them in a rack.

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    But it makes lots of sense that you wouldn't want your laser floating away while working in space or on the lunar surface. I note that the laser holster also has a ring on it

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    So you could attach a line between those two if you really wanted to. But it would look dumb and that's why we never saw it. :lol


    - k


     
  15. Zaphod

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    Thanks for the lanyard ring clarification and for the great pics.

    What's everyone's opion about having that on there? Would you take it off, or keep it on?
     
  16. Archie Opteryx

    Archie Opteryx Well-Known Member

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    I'd keep it on.
     
  17. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yeah the tab with lanyard hole is part of the prop, no need to leave it off.

    - k
     
  18. DaddyfromNaboo

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    Could it be that Space:1999 and Star Wars have more in common than the Lke Ceremonial jacket ?.

    The end of the gun stronly reminds me of the thingy the Boba Fett 12" figure had on its blaster.

    Michael
     
  19. Zaphod

    Zaphod Well-Known Member

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    Well...the model lanyard was too small anyway. So, I guess I'll resculpt it.
     
  20. Zaphod

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    Well...so I finally got around to finish moding this and went to paint it.

    I painted all the small detail work and then liquid masked that, in order to paint the silver parts.

    I used an automotive paint that gave a great finish and color. :)

    Problem is, it's too good. I can't get the liquid mask off. It either won't come off, or it damages the pain underneath. :eek

    So, now I get to strip off all the paint and do this again... :(
     
  21. Zaphod

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    Well...I finally finished painting the laser.

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    Please excuse the quality of my craptacular camera.
     
  22. DarthBish

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    WAY COOL job.....
    funnily enough I'm scratchbuilding one as we speak....(still dunno if I'll go with the stun/kill" switch)
    I'll post pics when I've finished.

    Quick question, are the "black lines" just painted on, or raised portions??
     
  23. Archie Opteryx

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    Neat. Thanks for the updates and pics.
     
  24. Zaphod

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthBish @ Apr 19 2006, 08:47 AM) [snapback]1229043[/snapback]</div>
    They're raised portions. Please post pics when you're done.

    Thanks by the way :D

    You all may wish to check this forum for Space:1999 stuff...
     
  25. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Nice. :thumbsup

    Be careful where you're pointing that tho, it's set to KILL. :confused

    -k
     
  26. Zaphod

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phase pistol @ Apr 19 2006, 04:49 PM) [snapback]1229292[/snapback]</div>
    Like any cop will tell ya:
    Never draw your gun unless your gonna shoot it.
    Never shoot your gun, unless you're gonna kill your target.
     
  27. DarthBish

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  28. Zaphod

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthBish @ Apr 23 2006, 08:03 AM) [snapback]1231577[/snapback]</div>
    Scratchbuilt? Wow.
    Looks good.
    My only question is that maybe the hinged access lever looks a little big.

    Is the settings switch a working piece or is it static (like most kits (including mine :( ))

    I've really gotta admire those with the time and patience for scratch guilding.
    What did you sculpt with?
     
  29. DarthBish

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    The settings switch can slide from stun to kill.......(coz I never wanna kill anyone ;).
    As for what it's made from. ......I was lucky enough to "liberate" some plastic garbage bins from my work...(the were gonna throw'em out)...It's some kind of styrene I think. Bends when it's heated and it's maybe a little less that 1/8 of an inch in thickness.
    Could be like what you guys call Sintra, but I'm not sure.
    Cuts REAL well, and "dremels" well too.
    It goes to powder when dremeled, rather than "melting"..

    and NOW for the dumb question......errrr, which bit is the "hinged access lever"??
    Get me??
     
  30. Sidewinder

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    He means the grey round bit I think :)

    SAS
     
  31. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Looks good except for the deep crevices in the grip part, which go all the way around on yours (they are only cut into the front surface on the real prop).

    - k
     
  32. Zaphod

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthBish @ Apr 23 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]1231615[/snapback]</div>
    That would be that small seperate piece, on the bottom right of your pic.
     
  33. DarthBish

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    Ohhhhhhhhh............THAT "hinged access lever"..
     
  34. Zaphod

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthBish @ Apr 23 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]1231615[/snapback]</div>
    Ya know, if ya don't ever want to kill anyone, than you can skip the switch entirely. It's not in the first season gun anyway.

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    Also, got any "extras" of those sliders?
     
  35. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yes, there IS a reason they called these "stun" guns.

    They are not "kill" guns. :p

    - k
     
  36. Krel

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zaphod @ Apr 25 2006, 11:04 AM) [snapback]1232784[/snapback]</div>
    They did show a switch on at least one first season episode, "Testament Of Arkadia". This page has a photo of it about two thirds of the way down. http://www.space1999.net/~catacombs/main/cguide/uc12h.html

    I always like that red switch better than the big silver block, you could always see the block sliding back and forth when the waved the pistol around. The red switch looked easier to use with gloves.

    David.
     
  37. DarthBish

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    and besides.........you can never have too many buttons and switches :)
     
  38. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Krel @ Apr 25 2006, 10:29 PM) [snapback]1233143[/snapback]</div>
    Actually the first season "Stun/Kill" switch is this one (closeup from "The Full Circle"), the white plate with the little red crossbar

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    At least the words are the right way around so the user of the gun can read them easily. :lol

    - k

    Some more shots for your proppy edification. :)


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    Those blobby vacform crapazoid lasers with the painted-on color emitters were used quite often in the second season.

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    Here's a front shot of a hero prop. Note how slim it is.

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    And some more commlock shots. :D


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  39. Krel

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    <div class='quotetop'>(phase pistol @ May 16 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]1245297[/snapback]</div>
    Actually the first season "Stun/Kill" switch is this one (closeup from "The Full Circle"), the white plate with the little red crossbar

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    At least the words are the right way around so the user of the gun can read them easily. :lol

    - k
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    I don't remember "The Full Ciricle", but I do remember a scene in "Testament Of Arkadia" where, when they go raid the supply locker, they switch the laser from kill to stun to take out the guard. But then it's been a long time since I've seen the show and I could be mistaken.

    David.
     
  40. phase pistol

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    BUMP cuz I fixed the pic linx. :D
     

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