Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club (PIC HEAVY!)

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Partly to work out the integration of the command module to the rest of the ship, and partly to escape this pocket universe which consists solely of said module, I'm starting some work on the connecting corridor to the passenger module.
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Since one side is largely going to be open, I also want to work out any structural issues which I may foresee. At the moment, I'm held up a bit on account of the fact that I can't locate the photos I had of the interior. I had one or two which showed a great deal of information, but I either misplaced them into odd folders, or deleted them without meaning to. Any info anyone has would be much appreciated! Meanwhile, I'll continue the search!
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[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Hey that's great! Just be aware of a couple of points. Firstly, the walkway you are building doesn't butt up against the CM like you have temporarily placed it there. I am sure you already know that but I would rather tell you something you already know than not tell you something you don't. there are two widths of tubing framework between the CM and the walkway, and the walkway side of the adjoining door juts out to meet the CM.
The other thing is that the plans you are using, are they the Roberto Badassari plans? I only ask because different plans have different layouts for certain sections. I have some pics of the forward walkway section that you are doing. If you have any episodes of Space 1999 I would watch the episode in season one called The Full Circle. There is a sequence shot in that ver walk way where a cave man abducts Sandra Benes. If you haven't got it, ALL the episodes are available on YouTube. Well worth the time and you can take as many screen grabs as you like. Real Player would actually allow you to download the episodes, but that is entirely up to you and I am not suggesting that you do or don't. In the meantime, I will see what I can find picture wise. I am glad that you have started another aspect of the build. It's really starting to shape up now!

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

...the walkway you are building doesn't butt up against the CM like you have temporarily placed it there.... there are two widths of tubing framework between the CM and the walkway, and the walkway side of the adjoining door juts out to meet the CM.
...are they the Roberto Badassari plans? I only ask because different plans have different layouts for certain sections...I would watch the episode in season one called The Full Circle. There is a sequence shot in that ver walk way where a cave man abducts Sandra Benes....I am glad that you have started another aspect of the build. It's really starting to shape up now!

Yeah, this is just the starting point, it will be much modified by the time all is said and done, but thanks for the heads-up! The tubing I'll deal with separately, but I'm making allowances for it (I hope!).:eek
For all I know, they could be the Rocco Mozzarella plans:confused! I don't recall now where they are from, but what I'm doing is referencing every source I can find, and trying to make logical extrapolations. The original had that itty-bitty connector to the module, but I just want to do what works. I'll keep you posted, I'm sure I'll have one or two or three questions along the way!
I have the series on DVD. I watched The Full Circle a month or so ago, but I wasn't thinking in terms of looking for Eagle details at that point. Besides, I most likely was paying attention to Ziennia during that scene, anyway!:love

 

[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Ironically, I decided to Pick up the CM today and press on with it! :lol

I am concentrating on the double skinned back wall and the door that slides between them. I have finally decided that I will be discarding the curved rear section that I cut of of the CM and going with a flat rear wall as in this picture.

It's not how the real Eagles looked but it WORKS! It means that a person of the right scale could actually walk into and out of the CM. notice the little bumps on the upper edge of the back wall to accommodate the top corner of the door. That is where I am at the moment. There will be no need to replicate the left hand one as the door does not slide that way. I am still waiting for my lighting loom to arrive as well. It's been nearly a month now. I think Easter got in the way. It will come eventually, I guess but again, it's holding me up now. I want to install the lighting rig and finish the interior panel work.

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Yeah, that's one thing the show was consistently inconsistent about: sliding door pockets. The command module, the end of the docking tube, the mystery door at the end of the travel tube (which didn't seem to exist on set, but the miniature of the tube appears to have a door hopelessly shut tight!). There are probably others.
The way I figure it, as Eagles appear to be at least somewhat mass produced, there may have been modifications/improvements/corners cut as years went by. A spacecraft afficionado of the time might be able to say "that looks like a '96 command module" or "they did away with those type of landing struts in '94." At least that's what I'm telling myself here and now: it helps to have a mindset conducive to solving all these mysteries!:confused

 

[Atlanthia]

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I couldn't agree more! I don't want anything less than an Eagle that functions in all aspects, except for the actual flying. I must admit that I enjoy solving these dilemmas...

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

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I couldn't agree more! I don't want anything less than an Eagle that functions in all aspects, except for the actual flying. I must admit that I enjoy solving these dilemmas...

Wow, that's pretty ambitious! Even apart from actually flying, that's still gonna leave you with lasers, antigravity shields, and who knows what else!!:eek

 

[greylocke]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

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[greylocke]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Yeah, that's one thing the show was consistently inconsistent about: sliding door pockets. The command module, the end of the docking tube, the mystery door at the end of the travel tube (which didn't seem to exist on set, but the miniature of the tube appears to have a door hopelessly shut tight!). There are probably others.
The way I figure it, as Eagles appear to be at least somewhat mass produced, there may have been modifications/improvements/corners cut as years went by. A spacecraft afficionado of the time might be able to say "that looks like a '96 command module" or "they did away with those type of landing struts in '94." At least that's what I'm telling myself here and now: it helps to have a mindset conducive to solving all these mysteries!:confused

I think I remember an article at I think Moonbase alpha, where it said the Eagles framework and such were moon manufacture for the most part hence differences between them. There were parts in common, engine's, thrusters, etc but the majority of the the Eagle, the actual frame was built on the moon. Or was it a kit type vehicle assembled on the moon and modified as needed? I can't remember it's been so long since I was over there to read it.

Technical section

There are 2 zip files there of tech plans for the eagle.

Found this on Wikipedia

"
Construction

The Eagles are constructed by the engineering and technical section of Moonbase Alpha using materials and components either shipped from Earth or manufactured on the Moon.[1] The latter is usually proposed as a rationale for the perceived seemingly endless supply of Eagles despite their frequent losses. At the time of the episode The Last Sunset, dialogue indicated that there were twenty-eight serviceable Eagles on the roster.


Design

Completely modular,[3] the craft are divided into three basic sections: the command module, the passenger module/service pod, and the superstructure (containing the landing gear, access corridor/galley, aft compartment, fuel tanks and main propulsion system). The command module also has an escape hatch as revealed in the episode Devil's Planet, although it is unknown whether this is an original design feature or an adaptation that was designed by Moonbase Alpha. The command module of the Eagle can detach from the main body as seen in the episode Dragon's Domain enabling it to dock with another compatible craft or for use as an emergency escape capsule. All Eagles are equipped with artificial gravity.

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

...Technical section

There are 2 zip files there of tech plans for the eagle.

Thanks, greylocke...but those are the one's I'm already using! Thanks for the link, nevertheless!
I really do envision most Eagles being more-or-less unique in many ways. As stated, the basic functions of course would be the same, but I'm sure there would be variations. Looking at one, the subtle, curve-based design of the command module almost seems in direct contrast to the angular, geometric design of the rest of the ship. Maybe the command module itself is a much older design, merely carried over to the Eagle in an "if it isn't broke don't fix it" moment.
I always liked one thing about the old Franz Josef Enterprise Star Trek blueprints from the '70's: the designs were supposedly for the entire fleet of Constitution class ships, and while very well done I'm sure there were inaccuracies based on what we'd seen on the show. But somewhere in the blueprints was a statement along the lines of "These plans are general, but individual ships may vary", which I thought was a genius way of covering up for discrepancies! I'm just borrowing that assumption for the Eagles!:cool

 

[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Wow, that's pretty ambitious! Even apart from actually flying, that's still gonna leave you with lasers, antigravity shields, and who knows what else!!:eek

Well! Suddenly everyone's a comedian! :behave. :lol
A fair point though, Mate! I will probably leave those aspects out of the build as well...I can never quite get the antigravity shields perfectly calibrated. I think it's the fact that I make them out of card...

I must admit, this is where the whole thing falls down, in my opinion. Is a total staff of three hundred, enough to man the mining, processing and extraction of the ores, the foundries. The factories, the etc etc etc......? Every single thing used on alpha - from uniforms and toilet paper to glass and plastics, not only have to be extacted or constructed but they all have to be individually moulded or pressed or turned.....to maufacture and supply everything that the Alphans would need and use would take thousands of people and more resources than even the moon could offer up. The factories and mining operations alone would be vast.....

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Well! Suddenly everyone's a comedian! . ...is a total staff of three hundred, enough...Every single thing used on alpha - from uniforms and toilet paper to glass and plastics, not only have to be extacted or constructed but they all have to be individually moulded or pressed or turned.....to manufacture and supply everything that the Alphans would need and use would take thousands of people and more resources than even the moon could offer up. The factories and mining operations alone would be vast.....

Yeah, well...being a comedian keeps me young! :lol
That Alpha thing is definitely an issue. I was watching one episode, and noticed Victor using what looked like a felt-tip pen and I thought what's he gonna do when the ink dries out? While that guy was busy conducting seances in the hydroponics section, I was noticing that not one plant in there looked remotely edible. I suppose building such a base would entail a certain amount of self-sufficiency, but who'd ever expect them to end up in such a situation? Look at now, when a town is hit with a disaster, and water, food and blankets and such need to be delivered to them from outside.
It would be interesting to look at that problem, and figure out just how many people, and how much equipment would actually be required to self-maintain a community like that. Aside from food and felt-tip pens, who makes new blankets? How long are they going to be able to keep shaving razors sharp? How much shampoo can they possibly have stocked up? You can even infer from 'Space Brain' that they only have one puzzle! No wonder Paul and Kano were always so surly and cranky!

 

[Atlanthia]

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Imagine the tailors fforever making nothing ibut those 70s style uniforms and beige glam rock boots. Now, there would be justifiable grounds for suicide.... :lol all that stuff and equipment that they produce and they can't sort out a glass of beer!

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Yeah, lol, I think I posited some thing like that upthread somewhere. If the moon left orbit like that, and there was no more contact with media from earth, would styles, fashions and whatnot freeze right where they are? I mean, no more "those went out of style last year" stuff. Who'd even know?:unsure

That's another thing: I have friends who make beer. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's 'eh', but all in all it's not that hard to make. Tony must be trying to use alternate ingredients, which goes right back to our talk about supplies!

 

[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

I think that I mentioned that upthread.
The Full Circle :lol

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Just goes to show that great minds think alike!:lol

 

[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

And so do we! :lol

Here's a link to a great site for reference pictures.

The Continuity Guide

Click on Eagles and then select Eagle cockpit. At the bottom of that section are some great walkway pics! Hope that helps.

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Oh, it helps indeed! Thanks, Dood!

 

[Atlanthia]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Glad I could be of service!

As, I said, I am working again on the CM and trying to resolve, or at least find an acceptable compromise for the issues that present themselves when trying to fit the TV Set into the model.
Here's where I am at...

Regarding the window issue, I have reached what I believe is a good compromise that I am happy with for my model. The inside windows are lower than their outside counterparts. Also, they are not as wide as the outside ones. Regarding the height, I have found that the floor height I have is accurate for the TV Set, and yet, is at a near enough height to the incredible Baldassari CGI renderings, to allow me to use his Cockpit front wall as my guide. To be honest, what other reference is there? :lol Here is Roberto's rendering.

Regarding the window dimensions, inside and out; here is the disparity.

This is the window on the inside:

And this is the window on the outside.

What I have decided to do is to black out the glass as in the picture above. This is the area that is outside of the internal cockpit. It's the space between the walls, so to speak. What there is room here for, is a camera on each side and possibly a spotlight. I have put a white dot on each blacked out area to show where the camera and/or spotlight would ideally go. The arch of tiles is just to demonstrate where the back wall of the cockpit is situated. This is accurate to the TV Set.

The problems are age old and I am not really prepared to go down the road of either severely compromising the cockpit accuracy to maintain the outer accuracy, or vice-versa. This way, the only difference is that a little part of the window is blacked out, and the issue of not seeing out is also solved. I think that that is a good solution without altering any design features of the inside or outside.
I will post the results soon when I have some pics.

 

[LMFAOSchwarz]

Re: Space 1999 Eagle Transporter Build Club UPDATED 15/04 (PIC HEAVY!)

Arrgh! No sooner do I move on to another section of the Eagle, then Darren moves back not just to the cockpit, but the very part I tried to put off until I figured out a solution to...Full Circle indeed!!:cry
Your rendition of the forward windows looks awfully familiar. I slid my back wall forward to use as a guide for where the windows would end up, and glued two strips about on the contour where the windows would line up with the back. The only difference in mine is that the windows are not only narrower, but lower in height, too. It does present a bit of a dilemma, does it not?
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There are a few possible solutions for this, which I am mulling over as we speak. I do find it quite interesting, though, that this just so happens to be the one part of the set which was conveniently never built! This, from a show that would often show ceilings in rooms at a time when such a thing was virtually unknown! Interesting, eh?
Roberto's take on the situation is largely going to be what I base my solution on. It could look really cool. It could suck. I'm going to depend on our millions of readers to let me know!:lol