sonic screwdriver Dr who

Here's another thing labeled "automatic drill"

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http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/afam/proffit/.../collection_PL/

This "automatic push drill" is off of a site called "Yesterday's tools" (which is gone apparently but the image is still cached in Google)

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This is from a unversity site, seems to be an old textbook or something

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Automatic Drill - A tool for rapidly boring small holes in wood. It is sometimes called a push drill since boring is accomplished by pushing down on the handle. The handle is forced back by a spring. Drill points ranging in size from 1/16" to 11/64" are stored in the handle.



- k
 
this is very intriguing, I have been watching this for a while now, doing a google on vintage automatic drills have come up with some pretty darn close hits, you guys may be on to something, I love watching this stuff roll like this. Good job to everyone.

karst
 
Originally posted by phase pistol@Apr 16 2006, 11:45 PM
BTW if you are watching the screwdriver and not looking down the front of Mary Tamm's dress, consider yourself a truly dedicated prop fan. :lol
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I guess I'm not truly a dedicated prop fan then. :angel
 
What I can't figure out tho (if the real prop is some kind of automatic screwdriver or drill) is why the Sonic Screwdriver's head doesn't spin when you pull down the sleeve. Let me explain.

These tools seem to operate by translating linear motion into rotary motion. You push down, and the screwdriver spins to remove the screw (or send the drill bit into the wood for example).

So is the Sonic Screwdriver a "broken" automatic tool? Parts disconnected or removed so that the head won't spin?

Maybe the original concept WAS to make the head spin... might have looked cool... :unsure

- k
 
Its probably because its been gutted to function as they wanted it to and not as it was INTENDED to. Thats IF it was a found item, we still may be talking about a custom made piece that was reproduced time and time again. This may also explain why the endcap is differnt on the prop as well as the cut in the side of the handle.

Rob
 
EDITED - because I'm a doof who didn't see Phase Pistol posted the same image that I found. :p

It looks a bit like this thing, too. Could be a good start for a hardware build . . .

I'm finding lots of interesting things under "automatic push drill", but none of them are quite right. :unsure
 
Originally posted by phase pistol@Apr 18 2006, 03:28 PM
What I can't figure out tho (if the real prop is some kind of automatic screwdriver or drill) is why the Sonic Screwdriver's head doesn't spin when you pull down the sleeve. Let me explain.

These tools seem to operate by translating linear motion into rotary motion. You push down, and the screwdriver spins to remove the screw (or send the drill bit into the wood for example).

So is the Sonic Screwdriver a "broken" automatic tool? Parts disconnected or removed so that the head won't spin?

Maybe the original concept WAS to make the head spin... might have looked cool... :unsure

- k
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Could be as simple as the chuck or screwdriver bit for the tool having a hex shaped bottom that would lock in the the handle top.

The Sonic Screwdriver top that was added most likely has no fitting and may sit above this part or have say a round shaft, so the drill may still be working it's just making contact with nothing that it can turn.

Jim
 
Phase - the shots of the 1996 film are of a different prop built 20 years after the one we're discussing and built by Iguana Props in Canada. The prop shown there, accordign to theory, started out life as a window piston like someone surmised earlier in this discussion - from the back of a mid 80's or so camara I believe. The mock up went over that and then the customer prop was machined and assembled which is what you see in those pictures. The film made use of two wood mock ups (one collapsed and one not) and the real thing which was collapsible.

I would love to know what became of the collapsing hero from the McGann film. The unit featured in the Pertweek and BAker years did not collapes telescopically like the version featured in the 1996 film. The version from the 1970's, as we all know by now, did have a spring loaded sleeve that could be pulled down though.
 
Is it just me, or does that spiral "line" actually look like a spiral "slot"

That would explain why the width of the lines changes depending on the angle...

like this one

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-cris
 
I was fairly certain that the spiral line on the Pertwee prop (at least) was a piece of graphic tape, and not a phyiscal groove in the metal.


- k
 
Originally posted by greatwazoo42@Apr 18 2006, 06:13 PM
Phase - the shots of the 1996 film are of a different prop...
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Interesting info, but I was talking about the possibility that other cylindrical screwdriver-like items in the toolbox might be "automatic drills" and "automatic center punches" and whatnot.

- k
 
Wow... One day away, and... :))))

Phase, I have the THUNDERBIRD 6 DVD, tell me how big you need the caps, and you got them.

I have friends locally who are big TB fans, so I have put the word out here.

-Skyler101
 
Never saw any episodes of the doctor, but I do know it.

I do have one of those automatic screwdrivers mentioned in the thread, and when you expand it, it doesn't rotate I believe.

Lemme go check :angel

Edit: it DOES not need to turn to unfold. If you hold it, it doesn't turn, if you let itgo, it will turn very slowly.
 
Thanks Skyler. If you could take the caps as big as you can, that would be great. On my Mac I can zoom in so that the screwdriver fills the screen.

I don't need too many caps but if you could, try to grab frames that are (1) clean, with as few DVD compression artifacts and film defects as possible, and (2) free from motion blur and in focus. Usually I step-frame through a sequence to find the cleanest frames (as opposed to just randomly pausing and just taking a snap).

Thanks again.

(although... which movie is this from? "Thunderbirds are Go" and "Thunderbird 6" are two different films.... )

- Karl
 
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Thanks Skyler. If you could take the caps as big as you can, that would be great. On my Mac I can zoom in so that the screwdriver fills the screen.

I don't need too many caps but if you could, try to grab frames that are (1) clean, with as few DVD compression artifacts and film defects as possible, and (2) free from motion blur and in focus. Usually I step-frame through a sequence to find the cleanest frames (as opposed to just randomly pausing and just taking a snap).

Thanks again.

(although... which movie is this from? "Thunderbirds are Go" and "Thunderbird 6" are two different films.... )

- Karl
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The correct film is "Thunderbirds Are Go" and the scene in question starts at chapter 29. I just downloaded new frame grab software to my Mac this morning so I'll bring the disc to my studio tomorrow and try and get the cleanest grabs I can of the prop.

Jim
 
Im on Mac too, and I have no problems blowing up frames.
I did screw up, and pulled "Thunderbird 6" out, and went through the film scratching my head. (Where is Zero X?). Anyway, I have a divx copy of "Thunderbirds are go", as well as a DVD copy, but the DVD is still packed away since I moved. I'll dig around for it tommorow unless gojira61 posts before I can find it.

Dang, I thought I could get a relevent pic up for this project finally.. <Sigh> To many people now have the same references, so it becomes a race to post images.

-Skyler101
 
so was this thing only used once in "TB Are Go"? If so then it almost has to be a real item...

Also notice in the Dr.'s toolbox up there, he's got another one without the circle-y bit at the tip.

-cris
 
Hello Everyone. Borrowing this User ID to throw my twopennies worth into the ring. Being one of the foremost collectors of Dr Who props in the UK during the late 1980's and early 90's I feel I could be of some assistance in this thread.

First up in all the years of collecting I have uncovered ALOT of rare stuff, not all of which is public knowledge that it actually exists. Many of the Visual FX designers kept alot of stuff that was being thrown away, or just because they liked it as a personal keepsake. I have never heard of any sonic screwdrivers in existance. The last recorded one was of course made for "The Visitation", a Peter Davison story where it was destroyed. Although I have no concrete information the blown up one was probably made of plastic since it seems to warp when blown up, so the original Davison one would have been retained by VSFX or John Nathan Turner. Sadly when JNT, the producer died the Sonic Screwdriver was not one of the items that were sold by his estate which tells me someone else has it, since there is no way that an item of that importance would be lost. Peter Wragg, of thunderbirds and Red Dwarf VFX fame would probably be able to cast some light here since I belive Visitation was his story as VFX producer.

Now...about this "Thunderbirds" hand too that you guys have discovered. The connection here to Dr Who is something I thought widely known but I'll post it here in case u didn't know. Back in the late '60s/early 70's Century 21 went out of business and several BBC vfx personal including Matt Irvine found out. A truck was sent out and loaded to the gills with models, fake trees, computer banks and....wait for it....hand props. This discovery of the prop in Thunderbirds, and the awesome screen cap pretty much has sold me on the sonic screwdriver being one of these items, with the letra-tape added to break up the length and the satellite/bullet thingy on top. This is EXACTLY how the department worked because there was little or no money to make anything. So the question is, is this a found item. Well there letting would suggest that but I still feel that it was lathed, simply because the made so much stuff from scratch on Thunderbirds. Could it be some kind of shroud etc. put over the top. Who knows.

To find out the true history of the Sonic screwdriver is going to be very hard. Certainly I think there have been many variations. It's the kind of thing that would easily go missing, certainly be broken (Tom Baker and hand props....not a good mix) and most definately be stolen. As to its true origin simple....find the VFX designer on the story, write him a nice letter and I'm sure he will clue u in. They all seem like nice blokes and many in there 50's-60's now. Nothing better to do than play golf and remember the good old times at acton road.
 
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