I'm pretty sure everyone's already stuck to that detail...surely Boba Debt and DrMcoy have, at least. I don't wanna go sifting through the thread to find the others right now.
Sidkit Mal Gun Build Thread
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I'm pretty sure everyone's already stuck to that detail...surely Boba Debt and DrMcoy have, at least. I don't wanna go sifting through the thread to find the others right now.
Still...it is silver showing through, rather than brass. I personally think they ought to be finished differently from the rest of the body, due to that.
DrMcoy
Sr Member
BOBBA -- your pistol turned out GREAT -- love the look.
As for people fretting over the color of thumbscrews -- they appear to be darker in some photos -- but most definitely seem to have a silver sheen underneath the black weathering -- so it is perhaps a matter of preference how silver or black you want them to be -- I have darkened mine up some.
Same goes for trigger guard /trigger and the piece of metal grip between the wooden grips -- in some photos is is almost black -- in others it has a silver sheen -- so again, perhaps this is more of what you prefer most as it seems like it appeared bothy ways in the series.
As for people fretting over the color of thumbscrews -- they appear to be darker in some photos -- but most definitely seem to have a silver sheen underneath the black weathering -- so it is perhaps a matter of preference how silver or black you want them to be -- I have darkened mine up some.
Same goes for trigger guard /trigger and the piece of metal grip between the wooden grips -- in some photos is is almost black -- in others it has a silver sheen -- so again, perhaps this is more of what you prefer most as it seems like it appeared bothy ways in the series.
SinkTube Jedi
Well-Known Member
Nice Job BD, looks good! Just got mine today and it is nicely casted....goign to get some of the Plum stuff now...
Darth Brass
Sr Member
For those using the brass thumbscrews - how are you making them silver?
im NOT plating the trigger
im gonan work with it with some blueing to give it that case hardened look of smith and wesson revolvers...
the frame is being nickel plated
cheech9898
Sr Member
I played out in the shop some and got a clip made, should have quit earlier than I did. I got the 1/2 inch hole off center on the top to create the top of the mag. I wanted to make it to where it looked like it could hold a round.... kinda got that look. The main problem is the internal frame angles from the mag opening up towards the front top, hence the rear relief cut I had to take that I didn't want to have to do. The main thing is at least it fits into the Sidkit... worse comes to worse I can glue a piece of steel up in the frame and I've got a 1/2 diameter rare earth magnet holder 
Just placed an order for the PS11 pewter oxidizing stuff...Now to find some Perma Blue!
Boba Debt, I remember seeing a few types of Perma Blue in the store...did you use the regular or "super" stuff? Paste or liquid? Or maybe I'm just mixing up a few different bluing types from the same brand, and they're not all specifically Perma Blue.
My gun is polished...is there anything I need to do between the PS11 and the Perma Blue? Extra polishing or anything? Do I just follow the instructions for both chemicals? I know you said one coat of PS11 and then apply the blue until you got it the way you liked it...anything important I should know before doing that?
Sorry for all the questions! :angel It's just that this was a big big purchase for me, and I don't want to muck it all up by finishing the kit wrong...especially since this finish is, as you say, very durable - probably hard to start over!
Boba Debt, I remember seeing a few types of Perma Blue in the store...did you use the regular or "super" stuff? Paste or liquid? Or maybe I'm just mixing up a few different bluing types from the same brand, and they're not all specifically Perma Blue.
My gun is polished...is there anything I need to do between the PS11 and the Perma Blue? Extra polishing or anything? Do I just follow the instructions for both chemicals? I know you said one coat of PS11 and then apply the blue until you got it the way you liked it...anything important I should know before doing that?
Sorry for all the questions! :angel It's just that this was a big big purchase for me, and I don't want to muck it all up by finishing the kit wrong...especially since this finish is, as you say, very durable - probably hard to start over!
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Darth Brass
Sr Member
I started working on the gun again. Here's a quick test fit after about three treatments of the BlueWonder stuff. I bought some gold Rub and Buff stuff, so we'll see how that goes after maybe another coat of this stuff...
Boba Debt
Master Member
Apply the PS-11 right onto the gun, it will turn black but if you keep applying the solution it will start to remove the black coating and it will turn copper. It should look like a sheet of copper that's been heated.
Once it stops changing to the coppery look, netralize it with water.
Then apply regular liquid Perma-Blue. The next time I might do this while the gun is still wet. My thinking is the dilluted Perma-Blu will not make the gun so black so quick.
You need to work quickly and you need to use a paper towel to wipe it down before you netralize it with water, rubbing the areas you want the copper to show through harder then the rest.
Don't worry if you mess it up, you can always polish the gun and try it again.
Once it stops changing to the coppery look, netralize it with water.
Then apply regular liquid Perma-Blue. The next time I might do this while the gun is still wet. My thinking is the dilluted Perma-Blu will not make the gun so black so quick.
You need to work quickly and you need to use a paper towel to wipe it down before you netralize it with water, rubbing the areas you want the copper to show through harder then the rest.
Don't worry if you mess it up, you can always polish the gun and try it again.
cheech9898
Sr Member
Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried the patina's for stained glass? some of them get that dark antique bronze or bright brass color..... I may have to raid the parents house since they still have some stained glass supplies they don't use but once in a blue moon
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I got over to the parents house. All they had was the 'bright copper' solder patina solution. So here's an pic of what it did. (note: I just wiped down with laquer thinner, didn't buff w/ the brass dremmel wheel)
They have a piece of stained glass in the main entry room that had the 'antique copper finish' so I snagged a pic of what that looks like, which is more or less an aged brass type look
There is a 'black' solder patina I couldn't find anything in the house that had that finish, but its just like it sounds... more or less a very black version of the Perma-Blue.
The copper finish I put on the mag didn't scratch off with my fingernail but did when I dragged a nail on it... so it is as durable as the other finishes. So I think I'm going to hit the stained glass store and get the 'antique copper' and probably a bottle of 'black'.... That should let me play and see about getting the propper aged look by giving it a 1st color of the antique copper and then darkening everything but the wear areas with the black or BC Perma-Blue
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I got over to the parents house. All they had was the 'bright copper' solder patina solution. So here's an pic of what it did. (note: I just wiped down with laquer thinner, didn't buff w/ the brass dremmel wheel)
They have a piece of stained glass in the main entry room that had the 'antique copper finish' so I snagged a pic of what that looks like, which is more or less an aged brass type look
There is a 'black' solder patina I couldn't find anything in the house that had that finish, but its just like it sounds... more or less a very black version of the Perma-Blue.
The copper finish I put on the mag didn't scratch off with my fingernail but did when I dragged a nail on it... so it is as durable as the other finishes. So I think I'm going to hit the stained glass store and get the 'antique copper' and probably a bottle of 'black'.... That should let me play and see about getting the propper aged look by giving it a 1st color of the antique copper and then darkening everything but the wear areas with the black or BC Perma-Blue
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DrMcoy
Sr Member
Some more pics of my build
Go to my web site -- have posted a few more pics of my build -- shot in direct sunlight so you can see finish pretty clearly -- this was done with BLUE WONDER then PLUM BROWN and some highlights rubbed in with Rub-N-Buf Antique and Autumn Gold paint -- although if I had it to do all over again I would skip the BLUE WONDER -- it cost me $40 and the finish was prone to wearing off with light handling...I would either just use PErma Blue or Plum brown and then just use the rub-n-buff paint for highlights -- or if my gun was to see extreme handling (in and out of holster) I would consider Boba's method or perhaps having it plated - but I have no experience with how plating will hold up to wear and tear...hopefully David Stokes will report on this once his pistol comes back from being plated.
http://web.mac.com/tedeckel1/iWeb/Site/Ted's Stuff.html
If you scroll down you can see some pics of my TV room with a shelf full of all the other crap I collect.
Go to my web site -- have posted a few more pics of my build -- shot in direct sunlight so you can see finish pretty clearly -- this was done with BLUE WONDER then PLUM BROWN and some highlights rubbed in with Rub-N-Buf Antique and Autumn Gold paint -- although if I had it to do all over again I would skip the BLUE WONDER -- it cost me $40 and the finish was prone to wearing off with light handling...I would either just use PErma Blue or Plum brown and then just use the rub-n-buff paint for highlights -- or if my gun was to see extreme handling (in and out of holster) I would consider Boba's method or perhaps having it plated - but I have no experience with how plating will hold up to wear and tear...hopefully David Stokes will report on this once his pistol comes back from being plated.
http://web.mac.com/tedeckel1/iWeb/Site/Ted's Stuff.html
If you scroll down you can see some pics of my TV room with a shelf full of all the other crap I collect.
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Boba Debt
Master Member
Re: Some more pics of my build
I don't know if it would be the same for every kit but the Plum Brown applied as a single coat turned my magazine black.
I had to repolish it and apply the PS-11 and Perma-Blue to make it match the rest of my kit.
I think the combination of chemicals helped to create the look of your finish.
I don't know if it would be the same for every kit but the Plum Brown applied as a single coat turned my magazine black.
I had to repolish it and apply the PS-11 and Perma-Blue to make it match the rest of my kit.
I think the combination of chemicals helped to create the look of your finish.
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So would it be a bad idea to PS11 the whole thing at once, then do Perma Blue at a later time? I feel like if I blued the pieces individually, directly out of the PS11 solution, it would be harder for me to make them match...whereas if I separate the two, I can make sure the pieces are all PS11'ed to an identical finish, then work on bluing them to the same level afterwards.
cheech9898
Sr Member
Played out in the shop most of the afternoon, only quit because I finally broke the last of the end mills that I had (cheap Chinese ones) trying to make the front site.
Anyway the main barrel is done except for a short piece of 1/2 steel tube to blue and press into the front of the barrel to give it that inner/outer barrel look. The bolt in the back of the barrel mod that Boba Debt showed was also done.
Anyway the main barrel is done except for a short piece of 1/2 steel tube to blue and press into the front of the barrel to give it that inner/outer barrel look. The bolt in the back of the barrel mod that Boba Debt showed was also done.
