Sideshow 1/4 Vader. New Pic.

[RKW]

Well it definetly looks alot better than those SS photos. It's starting to grow on me but the ANH helmet is what distinguishes it from all the other films and it's the one thing they got majorly wrong

 

[cking]

I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed.
The helmet is horrible. The transition line on the dome between upper part of the dome and the lower part where it flares out is very innacurately shaped and the cape looks way too big and chunky. The cape is not helping the problem of the helmet being too small and I'd say it's DEFINITELY too small.

I still think the accuracy of the sculpting work on the Marmit Vader is far superior to this Sideshow version. Very disappointing.

Chris

 

[Brent M]

Originally posted by cking@Jan 29 2006, 01:57 PM
I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed.
The helmet is horrible. The transition line on the dome between upper part of the dome and the lower part where it flares out is very innacurately shaped and the cape looks way too big and chunky. The cape is not helping the problem of the helmet being too small and I'd say it's DEFINITELY too small.

I still think the accuracy of the sculpting work on the Marmit Vader is far superior to this Sideshow version. Very disappointing. 

Chris

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"Horrible" is a little strong, but I guess that's to be expected on this foum because some people have a tendency of nitpicking things to death around here. Honestly, I'm glad I am not such a perfectionist when it comes to this stuff because I think that would take a lot of the fun out of collecting. If you're looking for the perfect Vader, you wouldn't buy any of the Vader statues(Sideshow, GG, Koto, Attakus, etc) because NONE of them are perfect. As for the Marmit, well, it isn't being made so even though you might like how it looks you'll never be able to have one.

 

[cking]

You're right - being such a perfectionist does create problems when trying to collect these sorts of things because it almost always results in dissapointment when they are released. However, so many of the problems with this statue could easily have been avoided and improved upon with a bit more research. They went through a lot of attempts at this statue but they never got it perfect. I think the Attakus statue is superior to this one.
I don't own any of these statues thought because none of them are good enough for my exacting tastes. It's a curse, but I can't help the way my eye tunes into areas that should be improved.

Chris

Originally posted by Brent M@Jan 29 2006, 08:21 PM
"Horrible" is a little strong, but I guess that's to be expected on this foum because some people have a tendency of nitpicking things to death around here. Honestly, I'm glad I am not such a perfectionist when it comes to this stuff because I think that would take a lot of the fun out of collecting. If you're looking for the perfect Vader, you wouldn't buy any of the Vader statues(Sideshow, GG, Koto, Attakus, etc) because NONE of them are perfect. As for the Marmit, well, it isn't being made so even though you might like how it looks you'll never be able to have one.

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[Darth Kahnt]

Originally posted by cking@Jan 29 2006, 04:31 PM
You're right - being such a perfectionist does create problems when trying to collect these sorts of things because it almost always results in dissapointment when they are released. However, so many of the problems with this statue could easily have been avoided and improved upon with a bit more research. They went through a lot of attempts at this statue but they never got it perfect. I think the Attakus statue is superior to this one.
I don't own any of these statues thought because none of them are good enough for my exacting tastes. It's a curse, but I can't help the way my eye tunes into areas that should be improved.

Chris

I'm the same way. That's why I do not have any of these statues either.

I think it would be a good idea for people in companies like SS, Koto, etc.. to consult some of the Vader experts on this forum before they produce statues.

 

[Brent M]

Originally posted by cking@Jan 29 2006, 02:31 PM
You're right - being such a perfectionist does create problems when trying to collect these sorts of things because it almost always results in dissapointment when they are released. However, so many of the problems with this statue could easily have been avoided and improved upon with a bit more research. They went through a lot of attempts at this statue but they never got it perfect. I think the Attakus statue is superior to this one.
I don't own any of these statues thought because none of them are good enough for my exacting tastes. It's a curse, but I can't help the way my eye tunes into areas that should be improved.

Chris

Chris,

I'm glad I'm not "cursed" with being a perfectionist like you are because I never would have bought this:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7245/10010352hz.jpg

Or this:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5341/10009587iw.jpg

My point is that I'm much more into "WOW" factor than screen accuracy. Everyone that comes into my house says "Holy s**t, those things are awesome", not "hey, those things aren't 100% screen accurate" when they first see them. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong or vice versa, just that the average person is in awe of most of these things and not concerned with checking every last detail to see if they're perfect replicas. That's why I like the Sideshow Vader now that I've seen the final production pictures. I know it's not correct down to every last detail, but when it's on display it is something that will look very impressive in my collection.

 

[KevVader]

Originally posted by Brent M+Jan 29 2006, 04:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brent M @ Jan 29 2006, 04:04 PM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 02:31 PM
You're right - being such a perfectionist does create problems when trying to collect these sorts of things because it almost always results in dissapointment when they are released. However, so many of the problems with this statue could easily have been avoided and improved upon with a bit more research. They went through a lot of attempts at this statue but they never got it perfect. I think the Attakus statue is superior to this one.
I don't own any of these statues thought because none of them are good enough for my exacting tastes. It's a curse, but I can't help the way my eye tunes into areas that should be improved.

Chris

Chris,

I'm glad I'm not "cursed" with being a perfectionist like you are because I never would have bought this:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7245/10010352hz.jpg

Or this:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5341/10009587iw.jpg

My point is that I'm much more into "WOW" factor than screen accuracy. Everyone that comes into my house says "Holy s**t, those things are awesome", not "hey, those things aren't 100% screen accurate" when they first see them. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong or vice versa, just that the average person is in awe of most of these things and not concerned with checking every last detail to see if they're perfect replicas. That's why I like the Sideshow Vader now that I've seen the final production pictures. I know it's not correct down to every last detail, but when it's on display it is something that will look very impressive in my collection.

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Well, if you like it that's the main thing....personally, the SS Vader doesn't make me go "WOW". If SS got the ANH details right, perhaps it would. Accurate details make myself and others go "WOW" and that's why we come here, to "nitpick" the details so we can look at something and go "WOW"...

 

[Brent M]

Originally posted by KevVader@Jan 29 2006, 05:02 PM

Well, if you like it that's the main thing....personally, the SS Vader doesn't make me go "WOW".  If SS got the ANH details right, perhaps it would. Accurate details make myself and others go "WOW" and that's why we come here, to "nitpick" the details so we can look at something and go "WOW"...

Well, I do like it and to be perfectly honest I think this is probably the wrong forum for myself and most SW fans to hang out in. At every other Star Wars forum(Rebelscum, Statue Forum, Sideshow Collectors, etc) people are perfectly happy with the way it turned out and are looking forward to adding the piece to their collections. I'm not big on nitpicking things to death because that takes all the fun out of collecting. I can see people complaining about the quality of something made by Hasbro or Kenner, but the fact that people refuse to buy the Vader statues by Sideshow, GG, Koto, etc. just because they're slightly inaccurate just doesn't register with me. To each their own.

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by cking@Jan 29 2006, 07:57 PM
I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed.
The helmet is horrible. The transition line on the dome between upper part of the dome and the lower part where it flares out is very innacurately shaped and the cape looks way too big and chunky. The cape is not helping the problem of the helmet being too small and I'd say it's DEFINITELY too small.

I still think the accuracy of the sculpting work on the Marmit Vader is far superior to this Sideshow version. Very disappointing.  

Chris

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My thoughts exactly. The helmet it's simply horrible.
Did the chest box have lights on ANH?? :confused

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Originally posted by Brent M+Jan 30 2006, 01:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brent M @ Jan 30 2006, 01:36 AM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 05:02 PM

Well, if you like it that's the main thing....personally, the SS Vader doesn't make me go "WOW".  If SS got the ANH details right, perhaps it would. Accurate details make myself and others go "WOW" and that's why we come here, to "nitpick" the details so we can look at something and go "WOW"...

Well, I do like it and to be perfectly honest I think this is probably the wrong forum for myself and most SW fans to hang out in. At every other Star Wars forum(Rebelscum, Statue Forum, Sideshow Collectors, etc) people are perfectly happy with the way it turned out and are looking forward to adding the piece to their collections. I'm not big on nitpicking things to death because that takes all the fun out of collecting. I can see people complaining about the quality of something made by Hasbro or Kenner, but the fact that people refuse to buy the Vader statues by Sideshow, GG, Koto, etc. just because they're slightly inaccurate just doesn't register with me. To each their own.

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I would think it is more sane to nitpick higher priced merchandice and demand accuracy than to nitpick and demand accuracy from cheap toys.

Anything over $200 HAS to be perfect, otherwise I could just buy a just as inaccurate cheapo item instead.

Yet, sometimes: ignorance is bliss... but when you are no longer ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed it takes the fun out of collecting when you have to pay top-dollar for something that doesn't look any better than the cheap stuff.

Just my opinion.

 

[KevVader]

Originally posted by RacerX+Jan 29 2006, 06:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RacerX @ Jan 29 2006, 06:50 PM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 07:57 PM
I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed.
The helmet is horrible. The transition line on the dome between upper part of the dome and the lower part where it flares out is very innacurately shaped and the cape looks way too big and chunky. The cape is not helping the problem of the helmet being too small and I'd say it's DEFINITELY too small.

I still think the accuracy of the sculpting work on the Marmit Vader is far superior to this Sideshow version. Very disappointing.  

Chris

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My thoughts exactly. The helmet it's simply horrible.
Did the chest box have lights on ANH?? :confused

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Nope.....

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by KevVader+Jan 30 2006, 01:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KevVader @ Jan 30 2006, 01:15 AM)</div>

Originally posted by RacerX@Jan 29 2006, 06:50 PM
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@Jan 29 2006, 07:57 PM
I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed.
The helmet is horrible. The transition line on the dome between upper part of the dome and the lower part where it flares out is very innacurately shaped and the cape looks way too big and chunky. The cape is not helping the problem of the helmet being too small and I'd say it's DEFINITELY too small.

I still think the accuracy of the sculpting work on the Marmit Vader is far superior to this Sideshow version. Very disappointing.  

Chris

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My thoughts exactly. The helmet it's simply horrible.
Did the chest box have lights on ANH?? :confused

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Nope.....

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Thanks. So seems like one more problem with this Sideshow Vader, since the chest box does have lights on this one.

 

[KevVader]

Originally posted by Brent M@Jan 29 2006, 06:36 PM
.... I'm not big on nitpicking things to death because that takes all the fun out of collecting. I can see people complaining about the quality of something made by Hasbro or Kenner, but the fact that people refuse to buy the Vader statues by Sideshow, GG, Koto, etc. just because they're slightly inaccurate just doesn't register with me. To each their own.

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Nah, in fact it adds to the fun....thrill of the hunt. The SS is more than slightly inaccurate IMO....they got the helmet, among other things, totally wrong. But hey, you're right....different strokes...

 

[Brent M]

Originally posted by NoHumorMan@Jan 29 2006, 07:00 PM
I would think it is more sane to nitpick higher priced merchandice and demand accuracy than to nitpick and demand accuracy from cheap toys.

Anything over $200 HAS to be perfect, otherwise I could just buy a just as inaccurate cheapo item instead.

Yet, sometimes: ignorance is bliss... but when you are no longer ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed it takes the fun out of collecting when you have to pay top-dollar for something that doesn't look any better than the cheap stuff.

Just my opinion.

If you're inferring that I'm ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed just because I can overlook the fact that the statue isn't perfect and yet still enjoy it anyway you can seriously kiss my you-know-what. Get off your high horse and quit acting like something is crap just because it doesn't meet your unreasonable standards. :rolleyes

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by Brent M+Jan 30 2006, 01:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brent M @ Jan 30 2006, 01:22 AM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 07:00 PM
I would think it is more sane to nitpick higher priced merchandice and demand accuracy than to nitpick and demand accuracy from cheap toys.

Anything over $200 HAS to be perfect, otherwise I could just buy a just as inaccurate cheapo item instead.

Yet, sometimes: ignorance is bliss... but when you are no longer ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed it takes the fun out of collecting when you have to pay top-dollar for something that doesn't look any better than the cheap stuff.

Just my opinion.

If you're inferring that I'm ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed just because I can overlook the fact that the statue isn't perfect and yet still enjoy it anyway you can seriously kiss my you-know-what. Get off your high horse and quit acting like something is crap just because it doesn't meet your unreasonable standards. :rolleyes

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That's a little harsh, dude. There's a code of conduct here, you know. :rolleyes

 

[vaderdarth]

Don't feel that way man............this forum is open to all opinions. I'm a perfectionist all the way with a prop rep.......but for this statue..........Yeah I'm eagerly awaiting mine. Will I alter it to suit me.........yeah probably. I'm pretty stoked with it the way it is...............knowing full well it's not screen accurate.

It's gonna be a bitch of a time making it more accurate.........LOL.

I'm gonna remake a few details in such a way as SS should have done them the first time around. That's not knocking SS.........it's just how I work this stuff out. I'm gonna alter a $350 statue..............call me Kooky.......LOL.

To be honest.........there is alot there to work with. The belt boxes are the first thing to go.....wrong shape etc etc etc............the chestbox needs a facelift and a decent set of red/green lenses. The rods need tweaking. Go figure.

Dave

 

[KevVader]

Dave..make your changes and sell it back to SS as an artist's proof. Then if they produce your accurate version...I'll buyit....Deal?

 

[Darth Kahnt]

Please, let's not let this thread go down the toilet.

People are entitled to their own opinions and that's the bottom line, what one person considers excellent the other may consider junk. Difference of opinion is what makes the world an interesting place.

Personally, the SS Vader just doesn't do it for me but that's me. If you like it, more power to you.

Originally posted by Brent M+Jan 29 2006, 09:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brent M @ Jan 29 2006, 09:22 PM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 07:00 PM
I would think it is more sane to nitpick higher priced merchandice and demand accuracy than to nitpick and demand accuracy from cheap toys.

Anything over $200 HAS to be perfect, otherwise I could just buy a just as inaccurate cheapo item instead.

Yet, sometimes: ignorance is bliss... but when you are no longer ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed it takes the fun out of collecting when you have to pay top-dollar for something that doesn't look any better than the cheap stuff.

Just my opinion.

If you're inferring that I'm ignorant/unenlightened/uninformed just because I can overlook the fact that the statue isn't perfect and yet still enjoy it anyway you can seriously kiss my you-know-what. Get off your high horse and quit acting like something is crap just because it doesn't meet your unreasonable standards. :rolleyes

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[Brent M]

Originally posted by RacerX@Jan 29 2006, 07:24 PM
That's a little harsh, dude. There's a code of conduct here, you know.  :rolleyes

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Sorry, but I refuse to just sit back and let someone call me ignorant, unenlightened and uninformed without fighting back. Would you tolerate that?

Hopefully the discussion can get back on track and people can learn to use a little tact rather than just being out and out rude towards other members.

 

[vaderdarth]

Originally posted by Brent M+Jan 29 2006, 09:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brent M @ Jan 29 2006, 09:53 PM)</div>

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@Jan 29 2006, 07:24 PM
That's a little harsh, dude. There's a code of conduct here, you know.  :rolleyes

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Sorry, but I refuse to just sit back and let someone call me ignorant, unenlightened and uninformed without fighting back. Would you tolerate that?

Hopefully the discussion can get back on track and people can learn to use a little tact rather than just being out and out rude towards other members.

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I totally missed the last paragraph of the newbie's post. That WAS way out of line. What ever you do, don't get jacked out of shape based on some newbie's post. They will learn how to communicate or they will continue to get their silly heads bitten off.

Newbies should read the COC carefully before casually starting a flame war.