SDS HDPE TK faceplate......

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A 'grain of salt' is one thing but "I can't believe you had the ***** to promote a new piece from AA. :thumbsdown" (Ginos opening quote) is not a 'grain of salt' it is an accusation based on an assumption. Likewise the accusations based on assumption following it. Its not civil discussion. Its not asking a question. Its the same old people dogpiling that always dogpile.
Gino and mob made the assumption that
A. AA is going to produce this
B. Skunky is promoting it
Now, if Sskunky or anyone else here ACTIVELY promotes products by AA feel free but thats not what happened and Gino, Inc once again turned a thread in to a hostile environment that a lot of us are getting sick to death of....these threads have become like the classroom in Charlie Brown cartoons where the supposed adults all sound like a broken Jack n the Box drive through speaker. All the talent and good research and good info isnt worth having to deal with the lack of social skills by a lot of keyboard cowboys, most of whom wouldnt have the cajones to be this abrasive in person. Heres a good rule to adhere to...speak to each other on this forum like you would if you were actually speaking to the each other face to face. I know that Ive met some of the biggest trash talkers on boards like this in person (Greg Stone being the funniest and most memorable as he ran screaming in to traffic) and Ive yet to have anyone man up in person like they puff up on these boards. There are a few who do but most find an inordinate amount of bravery from behind a keyboard. If you cant be civil GTFA.

Qui-Gonzalez said:
Mac, people do not dislike Ainsworth because of any aleged business dealings. People dislike him because he is a liar and a thief. He lied about his involvement in ANH and he stole the credit for Liz Moore's work. THAT is why a lot of folks dislike this guy. So, that said, yeah, we all handle dealings coming from him with a HUGE grain of salt.
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Been looking over this thread all day, and I completely agree with this statment, you hit the nail on the head Oni

Onigiri said:
A 'grain of salt' is one thing but "I can't believe you had the ***** to promote a new piece from AA. :thumbsdown" (Ginos opening quote) is not a 'grain of salt' it is an accusation based on an assumption. Likewise the accusations based on assumption following it. Its not civil discussion. Its not asking a question. Its the same old people dogpiling that always dogpile.
Gino and mob made the assumption that
A. AA is going to produce this
B. Skunky is promoting it
Now, if Sskunky or anyone else here ACTIVELY promotes products by AA feel free but thats not what happened and Gino, Inc once again turned a thread in to a hostile environment that a lot of us are getting sick to death of....these threads have become like the classroom in Charlie Brown cartoons where the supposed adults all sound like a broken Jack n the Box drive through speaker. All the talent and good research and good info isnt worth having to deal with the lack of social skills by a lot of keyboard cowboys, most of whom wouldnt have the cajones to be this abrasive in person. Heres a good rule to adhere to...speak to each other on this forum like you would if you were actually speaking to the each other face to face. I know that Ive met some of the biggest trash talkers on boards like this in person (Greg Stone being the funniest and most memorable as he ran screaming in to traffic) and Ive yet to have anyone man up in person like they puff up on these boards. There are a few who do but most find an inordinate amount of bravery from behind a keyboard. If you cant be civil GTFA.
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Yea, i've checked his background, never heard of the guy before, not into star wars props, and agree with the statements that he's a recaster, a liar about his involment in creating the stormtrooper bucket and whatnot, you guys obviously kmnow alot more than I, but come on guys, its come down to name calling and just plain bull, but thats just my opinion...continue on
 
Case in point..assumptions yet once again..if A then B. You either dont get it or choose to ignore it and continue to justify the boorish behavior.
You also completely ignored the fact that the same crew has derailed yet another thread and also failed to acknowledge the pertinent point here which is you, Gino etc are ruining yet another thread based on personal bias and assumptions. That is a fact and is indisputable. The same folks that do it on both sides are the same ones that cry when it happens to one of their threads. I think AA is a liar and a thief and he will never get a dime out of me but thats not the point. The point is a bunch of folks in this hobby that LOOK for every opportunity to disrupt and attack any thread by any person that they disagree with or feel threatened by. This is the negative side of obsessive 'geekdom'. This is why folks with our interests are mocked and ridiculed on a regular basis.
All of this over plastic.
Unreal.
 
voice in the crowd said:
There is obviously background to this thread with sskunky and his relations with AA/SDS if you are reading this thread then you should probably have a look at this one also http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=63166&page=2
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Absolutely - hey it might also be worth people searching through all the numerous Stormtrooper or Vader threads the Prop Police have recently hijacked too.

Maybe they could start a thread and list the subjects/people we're allowed to talk about. That would really help.

Cheers

Jez

PS I was tempted to go through all of Onigiri's posts and QFT them all. I think its worth people re-reading his comments again.
 
Onigiri said:
Gino etc are ruining yet another thread based on personal bias and assumptions. That is a fact and is indisputable. The same folks that do it on both sides are the same ones that cry when it happens to one of their threads. I think AA is a liar and a thief and he will never get a dime out of me but thats not the point. The point is a bunch of folks in this hobby that LOOK for every opportunity to disrupt and attack any thread by any person that they disagree with or feel threatened by. This is the negative side of obsessive 'geekdom'. This is why folks with our interests are mocked and ridiculed on a regular basis.
All of this over plastic.
Unreal.
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Agreed, its ridicuous!
 
Onigiri said:
A 'grain of salt' is one thing but "I can't believe you had the ***** to promote a new piece from AA. :thumbsdown" (Ginos opening quote) is not a 'grain of salt' it is an accusation based on an assumption. Likewise the accusations based on assumption following it. Its not civil discussion. Its not asking a question. Its the same old people dogpiling that always dogpile.
Gino and mob made the assumption that
A. AA is going to produce this
B. Skunky is promoting it
Now, if Sskunky or anyone else here ACTIVELY promotes products by AA feel free but thats not what happened and Gino, Inc once again turned a thread in to a hostile environment that a lot of us are getting sick to death of....these threads have become like the classroom in Charlie Brown cartoons where the supposed adults all sound like a broken Jack n the Box drive through speaker. All the talent and good research and good info isnt worth having to deal with the lack of social skills by a lot of keyboard cowboys, most of whom wouldnt have the cajones to be this abrasive in person. Heres a good rule to adhere to...speak to each other on this forum like you would if you were actually speaking to the each other face to face. I know that Ive met some of the biggest trash talkers on boards like this in person (Greg Stone being the funniest and most memorable as he ran screaming in to traffic) and Ive yet to have anyone man up in person like they puff up on these boards. There are a few who do but most find an inordinate amount of bravery from behind a keyboard. If you cant be civil GTFA.
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A. AA is going to produce this
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AA DID produce this.

B. Skunky is promoting it
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What's this thread if it's not promoting this item ?

Now given the recent OT thread on Polanski and your views on the man which i happen to share by the way would you like to see people here actively helping him to profit ?
I'm guessing no.

Granted AA hasn't done anything close to as bad as Polanski but the principle applies, what AA did was to steal and take another artists work and claim it as his own, a dead artist that could not come forward to challenge him.
Not only that he still says he created the Stormtrooper even now.
Now anybody with any ethics,morals and respect for artists would not want anything to do with someone like that would they ?

I know you think Skkunky is being piled on here but he does actively promote AA's products, he infact supplied AA with parts for him to produce his E11's, he says he made nothing personally from that but that doesn't take away the fact he's actively helping AA to make profit.

Why should GINO, myself, Hector,Chris or anyone else not be able to voice our distaste at a thread promoting items made by this charlatan ?
It's a public forum and those that have a different view are free to air theirs.

My suspicion that AA will be offering HDPE helmets is a legitimate one given that SDS is afterall a business venture not a hobby shop and AA is looking for supplies of HDPE, it's not beyond the realms of likleyhood is it that this material will be used for product ?
 
There IS no PRODUCT to PROMOTE! How many times do I have to repeat myself? And if you want to play semantic games we can do that too. YOu know what was meant by produce...as in 'for sale'. This isnt even a helmet...its just a faceplate and everything else on your part is assumption. That is a FACT. I choose not to associate myself with AA and that is my choice. Youve made the same choice. However its not your RIGHT or GINOS right or anyone else here RIGHT to pigpile on someone based on PERSONAL BIAS and ASSUMPTION as to INTENT. PERIOD.
Im not ASSUMING what Sskunkys intent here is or may be in the future. I took the thread for what it was. In the FUTURE if there was a thread saying,"Hey Im repping for AA" my response would be different but that hasnt happened. You folks are missing the point. You never fail to dive in head first and start confrontations with the slightest provocation and its always the same cast of characters on both sides and you all are either clueless or apathetic as to the harm you cause this community. AA himself has never STARTED a fight here...hes just a lying amoral shmuck. The fights are started by YOU folks who look for any and every reason to go at each other and the AAs just become the latest in a long string of 'excuses' to fight.
By your reasoning, and heres the problem, anyone should be allowed to voice their distatste about anyone they have an issue with here on this board on their thread and thats NOT how you want to play. That means everytime Gino posts a thread everybody should have a right to say,"Nice Vader but youre an arrogant SOB and I cant stand you." Or when Thomas posts pics of a helmet we should all be able to say," Wheres all the squiggly red lines, Thomas...I dont care about what your posting about I dont like you so I should have the right to disrupt your threads!". Thats where YOUR logic leads and its PRECISELY that mindset and way of thinking that has lead to COUNTLESS threads being closed because of curmudgeonly boorish behavior.
Gino set the tone for this latest pigpile and now hes just sitting back while all of you pick up the slack. He didnt post something like, "Hey, AA isnt all that popular with a lot of folks around here so you may want to rethink this." Not that that would have been appropriate but his post was rude and as usual completely lacking any social ability. If someone trolled (yes TROLLED) one of my threads like that I guarantee you a response that would make Sskunky's look like a nun's in comparison.
You dont like AA...start your own 'I dont like AA thread'. You dont think people should buy from him? Start your own 'Dont buy from AA" thread. This incessant and ongoing behavior by select groups is NOT discussion it is TROLLING and not allowed by the RPFs CoC.
What I DONT get is how the same folks keep getting away with it time and time again.
This constant fighting and ill will and keyboard bravado do FAR more harm to this community then AA or anyone like him ever will. All I see is grudges thinly veiled behind sanctimonious moral superiority and people that never miss an opportunity to stir up trouble and take shots at each other.
Its always the same ringleaders followed shortly by the same cheering sections and its tiresome.
This thread isnt the problem its only a symptom. AA isnt the 'problem' hes merely another excuse. Are some of your lives SO shallow and colorless that coming to this forum, which is supposed to be a HOBBY, to CONSTANTLY fight is the only way you can feel accomplishment? Is obsessing over having the best Vader or the best Trooper really something to base your life around? Some of you REALLY need to re-evaluate your priorities in life if any of the above rings true.
 
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Why should GINO, myself, Hector,Chris or anyone else not be able to voice our distaste at a thread promoting items made by this charlatan ?
It's a public forum and those that have a different view are free to air theirs.
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I highlighted the keyword there for you, see you assumed i said AA was selling this item i never did not once in this entire thread.
I said i suspect he will probably be selling HDPE helmets in the future.

I'm also not a GINO follower or a follower of anyone else i speak for myself thanks.
This certainly isn't about a personal grudge either on my part it's about personal ethics, as i said earlier i gave AA the benefit of the doubt right up until the truth was established in court.

I still stand by the assertion though that this thread promotes AA's products by showing off his work.
 
Onigiri, I think your last post has touched on some extremely valid and pertinent points in regard to the fights we see come up again ang again here at the RPF. I believe the derailment of threads by NUMEROUS parties on both sides of the issue, and the overall lack of respect are the crux of the problem. Whether these comments are posted in an effort to educate or simply to irritate, they essentially come down to trolling, highjacking and a general lack of respect. Interesting that those 3 exact things are covered in the CoC.

Forum posting conduct:
Communicate with fellow members of the community in a respectful manner.

1. No flaming, bashing, or baiting. Posting or sending unsolicited Personal Messages containing insulting criticisms or remarks, directed at individuals, members of a specific occupation, artists, licensees, or other forums, are not allowed at the RPF.
2. No trolling. Creating posts with the intent to stir up trouble to incite disruption is not allowed at the RPF.
3. No hijacking threads. Posts made in effort to change the intended topic of the original thread with harmful or disruptive result are not permitted for any reason.
 
ART ANDREWS said:
Onigiri, I think your last post has touched on some extremely valid and pertinent points in regard to the fights we see come up again ang again here at the RPF. I believe the derailment of threads by NUMEROUS parties on both sides of the issue, and the overall lack of respect are the crux of the problem. Whether these comments are posted in an effort to educate or simply to irritate, they essentially come down to trolling, highjacking and a general lack of respect. Interesting that those 3 exact things are covered in the CoC.

Forum posting conduct:
Communicate with fellow members of the community in a respectful manner.

1. No flaming, bashing, or baiting. Posting or sending unsolicited Personal Messages containing insulting criticisms or remarks, directed at individuals, members of a specific occupation, artists, licensees, or other forums, are not allowed at the RPF.
2. No trolling. Creating posts with the intent to stir up trouble to incite disruption is not allowed at the RPF.
3. No hijacking threads. Posts made in effort to change the intended topic of the original thread with harmful or disruptive result are not permitted for any reason.
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I hope someone has this card in their deck

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GINO said:
But you and others posting here do seem to agree with him and defend him as well.
I think that if AA is allowed to be mentioned here at all, it should be mandatory that people be reminded of just exactly what he did.


AA lied by taking credit for sculpting the original trooper helmet (from a deceased sculptor who isn't around anymore to defend herself no less). - FACT

AA lied about sculpting the original trooper armor when it was later proven that it was Brian Muir. - FACT

AA recast people's armor from this community so that he could sell it as his own (even some of the fan scratch built pieces). - FACT


How can any of you here defending him not renounce him after knowing the above facts? Have you no decency?

I don't believe it is in the community's best interest to allow his product to continue to be promoted after all we've learned about him. It only serves to allow him to continue to take advantage of the unknowing.


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I feel sad that also this thread turned into this Gino mud.
Speaking about negative things: Just count the treads that became negative, and count how often the name if the "childlike Emperor Gino" appeared in them. Nearly always. Although he has some moderators behind him, I think he should try to argue in a tolerant tone.

Gino, speaking about liars: When judging AA, yourself should stop lying, and saying things without proof on public forums as well. You very often lied as well, just to promote yourself to sell your stuff.
 
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Youre playing semantical games and I didnt say you were part of Ginos posse or Thomas' posse. I stated that the same cast of characters is always knee deep in these flame wars. You seem unwilling or unable to grasp the basic concept that this nonsense does more harm then good to the community. As I said before I am no fan of AA but its time that folks started their OWN threads instead of hijacking and trolling others which is against the CoC. This thread wasnt a 'What do you think of AA thread' so anything but that, including MY posts here, is OT.
Thats in the simplest terms I can state it. This constant excuse from people of 'well, the newbies need to be informed' doesnt fly anymore. If you or anyone else wants to inform people then start your own thread. We both agree that Ainsworth is a clod...Ive been on the Anti Ainsworth bandwagon from the beginning...I wasnt one of the late comers...what we seem to DISAGREE on is this incessant need of certain individuals to crash other threads and bully them in to non existence. It perpetuates an environment of hostility here that has destroyed far more threads then Andrew Ainsworth has. They are two separate and distinct issues. What it boils down to is that you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
Now, that being said, Ive spoken my piece on this and Im not going to continue to add fuel to another destroyed thread. It will be interesting to see what transpires without my involvement.
Feel free to squabble amongst yourselves.
 
Thanks Don amongst others for your constructive words.
I really was just showing a faceplate here, albeit an SDS one. I really don't think AA has any intentions to sell these as I have said before and call it what you will, read into it anyway you like.
This isn't a disclaimer, I have nothing to disclaim!
As I said long ago this is a hobby to me, nothing else.
I found this faceplate at the back of AA workshop tucked away on the bottom shelf so thick with dust a dirt I had to give it a really good wash to see what it was made of. So again for all you negative people to assume this is his next line of production is unfounded assumption on your part.
HDPE is a ***** to work with I really doubt Andrew will bother and if he does I think that is his decision not mine. I have never heard him say a good word about his experience in working with and painting HDPE.
Thanks to all the Trollers, Bashers and Hijackers you have really made me feel welcome here. You keep bringing up previous threads that you did the same to me on those?
I have never promoted AA or SDS. a promotion is normally an endorsement of a product with affiliation. You can read that how you like and assume all you want, but that is FACT.
Going back to the blaster thread all I was doing was answering a few questions about the product as he used my parts to mold and thought I could add something positive to the discussion. But I was attacked there too.
I have said my piece and if there are any members here that are interested in looking at an HDPE SDS faceplate then the pix are still here for you to look at.
 
sskunky,

I have read back through the whole thread and I am clearly one of the trollers in your eyes and other peoples eyes.

I just could not see how from post number one when you stated AA was going to try to source some HDPE of the correct colour that a business man like AA would take the time and effort to get this material and then not make any helmets. You also stated he might only make one which just does not seem very realistic on a financial point of view. So from my point of view this just did not add up.

You might find it very hard to believe but I genuinely do not go out of my way to troll threads.

In both the E-11 thread and this thread I have argued against you believing both times you had been promoting SDS.

You state that your intention is not to promote AA/SDS and after reading your last post I take your word for that.

If you say that is not the case then I offer a genuine and sincere apology to you.

Chris
 
Chris,
I try not to take things people say here too personally and I thank you for your apology. I am a grown man and a father and sometimes when people say things that simply aren't true I can't help but retalliate sometimes, after all I'm only human.
When I said AA had managed to track some Khaki HDPE down what I meant was that he was in the Midlands of England visiting factory that has something to do with his canoe business and he happened to see some that was 1/2 inch thick in the similer color that he used all those years ago. It wasn't until I mentioned HDPE to him recently as I was building and painting a T*E HDPE that he had even thought about it. He said he probably wouldn't have noticed it had I not mentioned it to him a few weeks ago.
As I said this faceplate is years old, I just found it.
I only asked AA to make me a full HDPE helmet as it would be another version in my collection that no one else had.
 
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