SDS Court case

when I first saw this I was a bit pissed off that we were just entering into another same 'ol same 'ol AA bashing session. But I am delighted to see that, now we are all bored with direct AA bashing, we have brought the ravaging of each other to a whole new level. Great reading boys.
 
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Did anyone manage to get hold of TE's testimony yet?
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Yep, have it in my hands and I stand firm in what I have stated in regards to it, IMO there is nothing immoral or unjust in TE's Declaration and I hold nothing against him for what he stated, plain and simple... But, I suspect others will continue on as if he is the bad guy...

I'll do my best to scan all the remaining documents in later tonight and post them...

BTW this is the type of comments in these threads that is nothing short of false speculation to fuel the fire and I wish people would learn to refrain from posting speculation as fact in the future...

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what is this new 30 odd page document they entered a couple of weeks back that contains all of Matt Gautier's/Trooper Experts "expert" testimony on why the SDS moulds cant be original?[/b]

It's a mere 7½ double space pages at best, and contains nothing that wasn't already stated here on the RPF (or other forums) multiple times...
 
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I doubt TE ever saw the molds or if he did, it wasn't till AFTER AA worked a deal with someone else. [/b]


He said that he did not see the moldsat all. He mentoned that on Dr.S' forum.

There was a link here to that thread that is going on that TE posted in clearing up a few things, but my whole post was removed. :(
 
post away exoray.

lets see the facts.

screw the biased double bladed nit picking nay saying nancy shiznet and lets see the bold print.

what did he see... what did he say?

not what everyones personal fellings are on the matter... just copy and paste. :p
 
The remaining documents total 58 pages, and I need to manually scan then all in... I don't really have an hour or two to do it right now, as time permits they will be scanned trust me... If all else the girlfriend will take them to work were they have a page feed scanner that automates the process and saves me a boat load of time...

As for what he said just re-read the old SDS helmet comparison threads and you will have a good idea...
 
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The remaining documents total 58 pages, and I need to manually scan then all in... I don't really have an hour or two to do it right now, as time permits they will be scanned trust me... If all else the girlfriend will take them to work were they have a page feed scanner that automates the process and saves me a boat load of time...

As for what he said just re-read the old SDS helmet comparison threads and you will have a good idea...
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yeah... i remember his thoughts on AA and what AA had, but im still interested in reading that document.

and i meant nothing by it to you, i really apreciate all you do with these sorts of situations, you are one that actually brings facts and documents to the table, and ive sat throught this argumenative paradox more than i care to... but am still interested in the facts of what is playing out in concerns with LFL AA and now TE...

so thanks again for all your time and effort exoray. :thumbsup

we'll wait patiently. :D
 
I have them already....I wanted to stay away from this discussion, but it's continuing in regard to TE's contribution to the case.
 
Fun indeed.

The first important point I will make here is that Matt signed this declaration "May 11, 2005".

The complaint is dated May 13, 2005.

Matt was involved from the very beginning even before the complaint was issued.

Also, from the judgement papers:


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In truth, defendant Ainsworth did not design the plaintiffÂ’s helmets and costumes, which were instead based on plaintiffÂ’s pre-existing artwork, models and sculptures and were painted and detailed by plaintiff; defendentsÂ’ copies are not made from the original molds used to create the actual Stormtrooper helmets and costumes and the TIE fighter pilot helmets and are not exact duplicates of plaintiffÂ’s helmets or costumes;[/b]

What is highlighted in bold is false. There were no models or sculptures prior to AA presenting the prototype helmet(s) to LFL. But they needed to add that because my opinion is that they would not win the case on the basis of McQuarrie's paintings alone.

I fail to understand how if someone defaults that then the defendant can add on whatever he wants to the accusations. It is not ethical to do so without permitting defense by the plaintiff...IMHO.

The bottom line is, TE took what he could learn from AA and turned it against him.


I actually agree about use of the imperial logo...that was a no-no on AA's part.


The copyright paintings from 1975 are just entitled "Star Wars" and "Detention Corridor of Prisons of Death Star". No mention of what characters are in the painting.


In the statement by Matt (his full name is in that public document):

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Also, in our original conversation he told me that the face, the legs and some of the arm molds were already finished by others before he became involved.[/b]


I have no idea what conversations Matt had with AA, but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. And that is not based on anything I've heard or read from AA. There are at least three people in charge of aspects of the production at that time who would also know that this is not true.

He is also miscontruing what Andrew told him....and everyone...that he did not have the original molds for the armor. That's common knowledge, but Matt presents it as if Andrew has no molds whatsoever. Matt knows exactly what AA has and failed to mention it in regard to the armor. For the record, I have doubts about the armor....I agree that AA might have copied some parts. But there's no doubt in my mind about the helmets.


Whew....I need a break from all this legal stuff :).
 
exoray,

Thanks for making these documents available.

I read through Matt declaration and all I can say is WOW.... what a whitewashed revision of history. I can't argue with Matt in regard to the differences in the helmets. I think those differences are clear to all but the most willfully blind among us. However, I still find it pretty amazing and pathetic the way Matt plays all of this off as the innocent bystander who just happened to stumble upon this diabolical plan by an evil man bent on taking advantage of LFL.

Andrew couldn't remeber the exact shade of grey for the trooper details? HOLY HUMBROL, BATMAN. WE HAVE HIM. WE NAILED HIM. THERE IS THE SMOKING GUN. Andrew couldn't remember the shade of grey he used on what amounted to a small side project THIRTY YEARS AGO. THIS PROVES EVERYTHING. HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO WRONG? HOW COULD WE HAVE DOUBTED?

Thanks for that "expert" revelation... :rolleyes :rolleyes
 
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Sep 28 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1327990[/snapback]</div>
but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. [/b]
Not trying to give you a hard time, but how can you make a statement like that? As has been evidenced over the years AA has said contradictory things, it is certainly feasible that he said this. It's certainly not "impossible". Say what you will about Matt, but I doubt he would commit perjury just to spite AA.
 
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There were no models or sculptures prior to AA presenting the prototype helmet(s) to LFL[/b]

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but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. [/b]

Thomas this is the exact kind of speculation I hate, you were not there in '75/'76/'77 so there is now way you can prove this as fact or false... You have no proof either way, except maybe the hearsay of a select few that you might have contacted or talked to...

It's only your speculated opinion, nothing more...
 
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There were no models or sculptures prior to AA presenting the prototype helmet(s) to LFL[/b]

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but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. [/b]

Thomas this is the exact kind of speculation I hate, you were not there in '75/'76/'77 so there is now way you can prove this as fact or false... You have no proof either way, except maybe the hearsay of a select few that you might have contacted or talked to...

It's only your speculated opinion, nothing more...
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Which is just as good as Matt's speculated opinion actually.

Frankly I just want to see someone, either LFL or AA, show that "missing link" between the McQuarrie sketches and the finished helmets...models, molds, something. Everything truthfully is riding on that missing link which to date there is no 100% proof positive fact of. AA says he has the molds and made them direct from the sketches (and thereby under UK rights owns the ability to use them). LFL says they have the molds and additional evidence showing three dimensional representation.

LFL (if I remember right) also denied AA had anything to do with the making of the final three dimensional ST and other items except pulling them. Yet there has been no evidence, pictures, credit, contracts, etc. showing any other sculpture, maker, etc. AA says he did it all and does have some pictures that at least show him with the items in a semi-finished state, and (also as I recall) one of the head guys (Freeborn? Mollo?) admitted going to AA and asking him to sculpt the final product.

So we have, so far, only hearsay on both sides. LFL says this, AA says that. So far it's LFL 1, AA 0 on a default, but sadly we've learned nothing (except that Matt was involved from the start... :eek: ).
 
Far be it for me to enter into a thread which doesn't involve sabers, but if LFL had the molds / master at the time the DP CA Vader was issued, why didn't they produce a trooper from them.
Am I correct in thinking the CA trooper was 'not all it was cracked up to be?'

Just my 2C.

Howard.
 
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There were no models or sculptures prior to AA presenting the prototype helmet(s) to LFL[/b]

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but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. [/b]

Thomas this is the exact kind of speculation I hate, you were not there in '75/'76/'77 so there is now way you can prove this as fact or false... You have no proof either way, except maybe the hearsay of a select few that you might have contacted or talked to...

It's only your speculated opinion, nothing more...
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It is fact. Why don't you cross-examine someone from the production and prove me wrong then.

What AA could have meant is that there were people assigned by John Mollo to deal with the problem of making the helmets and they failed and the project was turned over to AA. Matt is miscontruing that to mean that someone else had already produced the molds. I find it very surprising that not one witness or statement in that judgement comes from someone who worked on the original production. There are no photos, nor any account, nor anyone brought forward by LFL that did the work. There was the art department and the costume department. Mollo's team didn't do it because he was in the costume department and they failed. The art department didn't do it. And it is not like they didn't take pictures in those departments back then. John Mollo has stated that it was AA's responsibility, that he did the work. I am sure John Barry the production designer would corroborate that account.




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but it would be impossible for AA to have said this. It is false. [/b]
Not trying to give you a hard time, but how can you make a statement like that? As has been evidenced over the years AA has said contradictory things, it is certainly feasible that he said this. It's certainly not "impossible". Say what you will about Matt, but I doubt he would commit perjury just to spite AA.
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I agree that AA probably contradicted himself at the beginning as he was trying to recall everything he did back then. That is understandable given how long ago it was and the mind will create it's own account sometimes. As I mentioned, I'm not just relying on what I've heard or read from AA. Matt is saying what is his opinion based on limited knowledge. He knows how to compare the helmets, but that's it.
 
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and (also as I recall) one of the head guys (Freeborn? Mollo?) admitted going to AA and asking him to sculpt the final product.[/b]

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What AA could have meant is that there were people assigned by John Mollo to deal with the problem of making the helmets and they failed and the project was turned over to AA.[/b]

Both the above in your own words even lead me to believe that AA picked up a failed project and just finished it to the final form used to vacuum over... Not that he created the whole Trooper likeness all by his self, that would be reading between the lines and speculating...

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Matt is miscontruing that to mean that someone else had already produced the molds.[/b]

I'll even agree that AA probably had a part in making the molds, as for the sculpt that the molds were made from well...

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prove me wrong then[/b]

Right back at you with, prove any of AA's claims hell prove any of LFL claims... See how silly that game is...
 
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