SDS Court case
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<div class='quotetop'>(DARKSIDE72 @ Sep 29 2006, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1328754[/snapback]</div>
The more you defend Matt in his record of being a helmet/armor "dealer" or producer, the more you inadvertently lend credence to his being in conflict of interest in providing testimony against an unlicensed producer of helmets/armor. It is immaterial if he sold publically or not. The conflict of interest is on two fronts, one being that he was/is a dealer of unlicensed helmets/armor and the second being that may have had some kind of relationship facilitory to a helmet/armor production, whether it was formal or informal, if he was encouraging AA to go into the helmet/armor business either of itself or as a partnership, that is a conflict of interest.
The more you defend Matt in his record of being a helmet/armor "dealer" or producer, the more you inadvertently lend credence to his being in conflict of interest in providing testimony against an unlicensed producer of helmets/armor. It is immaterial if he sold publically or not. The conflict of interest is on two fronts, one being that he was/is a dealer of unlicensed helmets/armor and the second being that may have had some kind of relationship facilitory to a helmet/armor production, whether it was formal or informal, if he was encouraging AA to go into the helmet/armor business either of itself or as a partnership, that is a conflict of interest.
Qui-Gonzalez
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<div class='quotetop'>(DARKSIDE72 @ Sep 29 2006, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1328754[/snapback]</div>
That is about as correct and concise as it could have been put.
Seeing the responses here and the defenses offered, the RPF should now be a free-for-all where anyone can do anything without anyone being able to say a word about it. Morals be damned. Logic be damned. Common sense be damned. Recast as you will. Go against legally licensed vendors as you will. Cut each other up as you will. Turn your competition over to the authorities if it helps serve your personal purposes, vendettas, or just a whim. Dog eat dog. No one here should be able to say a word because we have become the all accepting ostriches of the world. If someone criticizes your actions... well screw them, because you will have a dozen people rush to your defense no matter your crime because surely we are all good natured at heart and if it SEEMS like someone did something wrong... it must be because they were looking at it from "a certain point of view" that in some dimension is a-ok, so it should be a-ok for you too. Just accept it and keep moving into the ovens.... don't look at the man behind the curtain. It is all ok. Everything is ok. We all float down here....
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DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
That's just it though and the thing you fail to realize is Matt had no conflict of interest with AA. Matt's issues with AA derive from AA's shady "truths". When AA refused to show anyone these "original" molds to any of the people he was in initial talks with it raised many a red flag. Matt was long established among the prop community LONG before AA showed up, people knew who to get high quality accurate product from.
Then once the AA helmets were shown it was obvious to all but a few that there were many a discrepancy with the product. So begins the endless ranting from the same individuals...
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Sep 29 2006, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1328792[/snapback]</div>
The more you defend Matt in his record of being a helmet/armor "dealer" or producer, the more you inadvertently lend credence to his being in conflict of interest in providing testimony against an unlicensed producer of helmets/armor. It is immaterial if he sold publically or not. The conflict of interest is on two fronts, one being that he was/is a dealer of unlicensed helmets/armor and the second being that may have had some kind of relationship facilitory to a helmet/armor production, whether it was formal or informal, if he was encouraging AA to go into the helmet/armor business either of itself or as a partnership, that is a conflict of interest.
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Then once the AA helmets were shown it was obvious to all but a few that there were many a discrepancy with the product. So begins the endless ranting from the same individuals...
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Sep 29 2006, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1328792[/snapback]</div>
The more you defend Matt in his record of being a helmet/armor "dealer" or producer, the more you inadvertently lend credence to his being in conflict of interest in providing testimony against an unlicensed producer of helmets/armor. It is immaterial if he sold publically or not. The conflict of interest is on two fronts, one being that he was/is a dealer of unlicensed helmets/armor and the second being that may have had some kind of relationship facilitory to a helmet/armor production, whether it was formal or informal, if he was encouraging AA to go into the helmet/armor business either of itself or as a partnership, that is a conflict of interest.
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Lord Abaddon
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<div class='quotetop'>(Brak's Buddy @ Sep 29 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]1328805[/snapback]</div>
Exactly. Well said.
Exactly. Well said.
OldKen
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(DARKSIDE72 @ Sep 29 2006, 02:12 PM) [snapback]1328851[/snapback]</div>
this is how it "looks" to me as well.
either way, yes it sucks that anyone has to, or would snitch on someone for doing even REMOTELY the same thing... but AA did handle buisness differently as qui-gonzalez pointed out...
heres the real point. im a stickler for detail, esp anything ANH and even more especially anything TK, the moment i saw the SDS site... and looked at the pics i just knew he didnt have all the molds EVEN THE BUCKETS ALONE. maybe he had damaged ones that he had to half ass reasemble but in my honest "OPINION" i dont think he had all the molds for the helmet even, even in a broken or refurbed state.
as Gino or keith or paul will tell you... yeah the way you assemble a bucket will give it many different looks and characteristics,
but to me something in the overall shapes are wrong to start with with AA's stuff.
all im saying is he says its his right because its HIS stuff... well if he has the REAL moulds... why do Ginos or TE's or even scratch made stuff like what paul does LOOK WAY MORE LIKE WHAT WAS SEEN ON SCREEN IN 77??? :unsure
point is even if he had the molds, i dont think he really has the right do go about things as he has, and had he taken a partner like he offered to people, or taken TEs advice, maybe not only would his stuff actually look passable as authentic... he woulda kept out of the radars view. which even though TE has NO rights as well to produce stuff, it was harder to come by than SDS, and even if he did make TONS of armor in his day, he at least didnt flaunt around saying you cant do anything about it LFL...
now im not trying to offend. this is my OPINION.
and opinions are like buttholes... we all got them... and most of them kinda stink...
this is how it "looks" to me as well.
either way, yes it sucks that anyone has to, or would snitch on someone for doing even REMOTELY the same thing... but AA did handle buisness differently as qui-gonzalez pointed out...
heres the real point. im a stickler for detail, esp anything ANH and even more especially anything TK, the moment i saw the SDS site... and looked at the pics i just knew he didnt have all the molds EVEN THE BUCKETS ALONE. maybe he had damaged ones that he had to half ass reasemble but in my honest "OPINION" i dont think he had all the molds for the helmet even, even in a broken or refurbed state.
as Gino or keith or paul will tell you... yeah the way you assemble a bucket will give it many different looks and characteristics,
but to me something in the overall shapes are wrong to start with with AA's stuff.
all im saying is he says its his right because its HIS stuff... well if he has the REAL moulds... why do Ginos or TE's or even scratch made stuff like what paul does LOOK WAY MORE LIKE WHAT WAS SEEN ON SCREEN IN 77??? :unsure
point is even if he had the molds, i dont think he really has the right do go about things as he has, and had he taken a partner like he offered to people, or taken TEs advice, maybe not only would his stuff actually look passable as authentic... he woulda kept out of the radars view. which even though TE has NO rights as well to produce stuff, it was harder to come by than SDS, and even if he did make TONS of armor in his day, he at least didnt flaunt around saying you cant do anything about it LFL...
now im not trying to offend. this is my OPINION.
and opinions are like buttholes... we all got them... and most of them kinda stink...
Boba Debt
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(DARKSIDE72 @ Sep 29 2006, 06:12 PM) [snapback]1328851[/snapback]</div>
What you should be asking yourself is Matt was pi$$ed when AA didn't choose him as a partner yet, he had not seen the molds yet.
If Matt had been selected as AA's partner the outcome may have been entirely different. I'm sure Matt would have been defending his partner instead of tearing him down.
<div class='quotetop'>(oldken @ Sep 29 2006, 07:56 PM) [snapback]1328911[/snapback]</div>
Because a lot of time the real ting looks different in person compared to a prop re-created from screen references.
What you should be asking yourself is Matt was pi$$ed when AA didn't choose him as a partner yet, he had not seen the molds yet.
If Matt had been selected as AA's partner the outcome may have been entirely different. I'm sure Matt would have been defending his partner instead of tearing him down.
<div class='quotetop'>(oldken @ Sep 29 2006, 07:56 PM) [snapback]1328911[/snapback]</div>
Because a lot of time the real ting looks different in person compared to a prop re-created from screen references.
OldKen
Master Member
BD, i know you know alot more than i about all props...
i know you dont particularly care for me or my opinion...
but are you seriously going to say that a SDS hero looks as accurate as a Gino hero?
all biased-ness aside, forget the names and name calling...
you really feel that the SDS pieces are 100% accurate (construction aside) cause thats what they would have to be.
i know you dont particularly care for me or my opinion...
but are you seriously going to say that a SDS hero looks as accurate as a Gino hero?
all biased-ness aside, forget the names and name calling...
you really feel that the SDS pieces are 100% accurate (construction aside) cause thats what they would have to be.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Brak's Buddy @ Sep 29 2006, 01:03 PM) [snapback]1328805[/snapback]</div>
That knife cuts both ways in this discussion, I hope you realize. People here can say TE and AA acted fitting all of your above "Criteria". So, which side do we accept? Do we accept Ainsworth's side, who it has been proven is a recaster, or do we accept TE's side for ALLEDGEDLY turning all of his info over to LFL and starting this whole thing? I don't know TE from Adam or a hole in the wall, but he banned himself from here for whatever his reasons. As far as I recall, he hasn't been accused of recasting or wrong doing. He has been accused of being a jerk by some, but again, I don't know the guy, so can't offer an opinion one way or the other.
GINO
Sr Member
Because a lot of time the real ting looks different in person compared to a prop re-created from screen references.
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I'd agree in most cases. But that statement clearly illustrates to me that you haven't been paying very close attention to trooper helmet threads. And it makes me want to re-prove a point.
Here's mine. Not so different from the real thing. In fact. I'd say I haven't seen anything comparable, let alone better. Even if someone were to take molds off another screen used helmet, the best they could do (if they could do) would be to make one as accurate as the one they are casting from. That wouldn't make it more accurate, it's make it just as accurate. That is if they didn't screw it up. And they always do.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Are you asking about more accurate or more stylized? If you are asking more accurate, then it is the GINO, hands down.
OldKen
Master Member
NM now that i got a good look at Ginos bucket...
its got bumps all over it... :lol
sorry, i absolutly could not stop myself from typing that.
im just sayin that AAs stuff aint 100% accurate, no way no how, that has little to do with TE or the court case, but i just know what my eyes see...
and ive been staring at TKs since as far back as i can remember.
even if you had the pieces put together wonky, the Gino wins.
he aint a personal friend, and it aint favoratism...
its right there in plain sight.
if he had all the original molds for the helmet, it would look alot closer to what Gino and TE have done, regaurdless of assembly... but... it just doesnt.
its got bumps all over it... :lol
sorry, i absolutly could not stop myself from typing that.
im just sayin that AAs stuff aint 100% accurate, no way no how, that has little to do with TE or the court case, but i just know what my eyes see...
and ive been staring at TKs since as far back as i can remember.
even if you had the pieces put together wonky, the Gino wins.
he aint a personal friend, and it aint favoratism...
its right there in plain sight.
if he had all the original molds for the helmet, it would look alot closer to what Gino and TE have done, regaurdless of assembly... but... it just doesnt.
Keith
Sr Member
Even if AA had the original molds, but lost the bumps because the molds were changed/cleaned-up for the hero helmets (if the same molds were used that is), his replica helmet would still look the same shape as the replicas we have from TE's first helmet.
Now you can take as many photos as you like of the SDS from angles that hide the faults more , or remove those awful looking ears, but the fact is, this is what the SDS looks like sat on your shelf:
I would rather have one of Gino's helmets or one of the helmets i own already than 100 SDS helmets.
Keith.
Now you can take as many photos as you like of the SDS from angles that hide the faults more , or remove those awful looking ears, but the fact is, this is what the SDS looks like sat on your shelf:
I would rather have one of Gino's helmets or one of the helmets i own already than 100 SDS helmets.
Keith.
exoray
Master Member
Truth be said argue all you want but "you" come first, your family, your finacial situation and real life comes before your silly honor amoung a few of the prop dudes on the RPF...
I will bet a boat load of money that all the people condemning TE for his actions would have done the same thing and damn the prop reputation when Uncle Lucas came calling, holding a big enough rock to crush you into nothing.
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Yeah that is how it works, when you have big bucks and hire a good law firm to fight for you they line up the majority of the game plan before putting it into action...
Did you honestly thing that LFL would have sued before they had Declaration and Witnesses lined up to testify?
I will bet a boat load of money that all the people condemning TE for his actions would have done the same thing and damn the prop reputation when Uncle Lucas came calling, holding a big enough rock to crush you into nothing.
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Yeah that is how it works, when you have big bucks and hire a good law firm to fight for you they line up the majority of the game plan before putting it into action...
Did you honestly thing that LFL would have sued before they had Declaration and Witnesses lined up to testify?
<div class='quotetop'>(Qui-Gonzalez @ Sep 29 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1328947[/snapback]</div>
Please don't think that I am supporting AA in any way. I think he is 100% in the wrong. I think he was either sadly mistaken or outright lied about the source of his molds. I think he is mistaken about his right to make helmets. I know he truly believes he has the right to make them, but that doesn't make him correct. My issues is not BETWEEN te and aa. my issue is simply with the way te has and continues to handle himself. I think it is hypocritical, vindictive and childish. However, those shortcomings don't push me into the aa lover's club.
PS, TE "banned himself" in one of his trademark childish fits that he has now thrown in several places. Basically it boils down to when people don't worship him and call what he says into question he takes his ego and storms off.
Please don't think that I am supporting AA in any way. I think he is 100% in the wrong. I think he was either sadly mistaken or outright lied about the source of his molds. I think he is mistaken about his right to make helmets. I know he truly believes he has the right to make them, but that doesn't make him correct. My issues is not BETWEEN te and aa. my issue is simply with the way te has and continues to handle himself. I think it is hypocritical, vindictive and childish. However, those shortcomings don't push me into the aa lover's club.
PS, TE "banned himself" in one of his trademark childish fits that he has now thrown in several places. Basically it boils down to when people don't worship him and call what he says into question he takes his ego and storms off.
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 29 2006, 06:09 PM) [snapback]1329015[/snapback]</div>
You are probably right. If we had infringed on Lucas' copyright hundreds and hundreds of times and they came calling, we might have done the exact same thing. However, you don't know that to be the case do you? We don't know who approached who on this. Honestly, it doesn't matter that much to me, because Matt has made a spectacle about this issue for sometime bragging about how LFL had brought him on to help take down AA. To me, that isn't a man who is providing info with a gun to his head. His attitude about this entire event has been one of his typical arroagnce and one of extreme vindictiveness. That is the issue I have. If Matt were actually a victim of a lawsuit here and had his arm twisted behind his back, I wouldn't have much to say. But having seen some of his statements regarding this issue (not just those in the decalration) and see him swaggering around, drunk from the ego boost lfl gave him by using him, all I see is someone who utterly disgusts me.
You are probably right. If we had infringed on Lucas' copyright hundreds and hundreds of times and they came calling, we might have done the exact same thing. However, you don't know that to be the case do you? We don't know who approached who on this. Honestly, it doesn't matter that much to me, because Matt has made a spectacle about this issue for sometime bragging about how LFL had brought him on to help take down AA. To me, that isn't a man who is providing info with a gun to his head. His attitude about this entire event has been one of his typical arroagnce and one of extreme vindictiveness. That is the issue I have. If Matt were actually a victim of a lawsuit here and had his arm twisted behind his back, I wouldn't have much to say. But having seen some of his statements regarding this issue (not just those in the decalration) and see him swaggering around, drunk from the ego boost lfl gave him by using him, all I see is someone who utterly disgusts me.
<div class='quotetop'>(SethB6025 @ Sep 29 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]1328718[/snapback]</div>
Exactly, its a perfect example of having "friends" in high places at LFL long before any of this ever came about.
It should be common knowledge that the LFL was looking the other way for those that kept a low profile, and in certain situations its not what you know but WHO you know.
Also as far as the perpetuated false hood that AA didn't want to do business with Matt, I heard it was a mutual decision, AA wanted money up front to hire lawyers and Matt was getting a bad feeling getting involved with him.
AA made the bad decision to hang it all out for the world to see. He turned the dogs on himself, AA apologists should stop blaming Matt.
LFL just went to the one person they KNEW that knows more about trooper stuff then anyone around, to back up their case.
If anyone thinks all they had was Matts testimony to bury AA, your pretty ignorant. Its too bad the real bomb shells never got to drop since it didn't go to trial. Matts testimony is nothing compared to what evidence they had to drop on him, specifically that they ARE NOT the original molds.
Convienent he never tried to defend himself.
This is hearsay to a degree, so go ahead and take it with a grain of salt (I know you will anyway
From what I understand, there was a relationship between Matt & LFL preceding this whole situation, so they contacted him as part of an ongoing relatioinship. So I think the "who called first" question is unanswerable because the AA subject was likely part of an ongoing dialogue on a number of subjects. As opposed to a cold call by one party to the other specifically regarding AA-SDS. Also, I think it's safe to say that LFL is/was fully aware of what/how much/etc. Matt was making in terms of armor. So, there's what I gather. FWIW/IIRC/etc.
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Exactly, its a perfect example of having "friends" in high places at LFL long before any of this ever came about.
It should be common knowledge that the LFL was looking the other way for those that kept a low profile, and in certain situations its not what you know but WHO you know.
Also as far as the perpetuated false hood that AA didn't want to do business with Matt, I heard it was a mutual decision, AA wanted money up front to hire lawyers and Matt was getting a bad feeling getting involved with him.
AA made the bad decision to hang it all out for the world to see. He turned the dogs on himself, AA apologists should stop blaming Matt.
LFL just went to the one person they KNEW that knows more about trooper stuff then anyone around, to back up their case.
If anyone thinks all they had was Matts testimony to bury AA, your pretty ignorant. Its too bad the real bomb shells never got to drop since it didn't go to trial. Matts testimony is nothing compared to what evidence they had to drop on him, specifically that they ARE NOT the original molds.
Convienent he never tried to defend himself.
OldKen
Master Member
i see what you are sayin braks, but we dont know fo sho exactly how that went down. :unsure
i would love to know, cause your right, if thats what he did and why and hes braggin about it... thats lamer than lame.
good thing we are talkin about costumes and not drugs... :unsure
cause the big baller he narc'd on would be poppin fat caps yo.
seriously though, thats the one part we will never know,
id say its a combo, he had a gun to his head, but he got to go to the archives so hes braggin.. :unsure
who knows.
i dont know matt, or AA, or any of the afformentioned parties...
i just know my gut feeling on where the SDS stuff came from, and a pretty 99.9% confidence in where they did NOT come from.
but yes, pots calling kettles black is lame. :thumbsdown
i would love to know, cause your right, if thats what he did and why and hes braggin about it... thats lamer than lame.
good thing we are talkin about costumes and not drugs... :unsure
cause the big baller he narc'd on would be poppin fat caps yo.
seriously though, thats the one part we will never know,
id say its a combo, he had a gun to his head, but he got to go to the archives so hes braggin.. :unsure
who knows.
i dont know matt, or AA, or any of the afformentioned parties...
i just know my gut feeling on where the SDS stuff came from, and a pretty 99.9% confidence in where they did NOT come from.
but yes, pots calling kettles black is lame. :thumbsdown
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