SDS Court case

[Qui-Gonzalez]

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<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 30 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1329561[/snapback]

Actually, that's not one of mine. That certificate is a joke that crprops put with helmets he put together for $hits and giggles. It is meaningless.

I absolutely can't believe that you still think the SDS helmet's parts are correct.
You are probably the last person on the rpf to think so.
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So your partner sent fraudulent certificates out - thats nothing to be proud of.

I think most people would say the comparison pics SithLord posted looked pretty darn accurate. Certainly the teeth on my CRProps/Gino are not as defined as the SDS so maybe what you lose in one area you win in another?

Cheers

Jez
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I just read this part and I have a question. When MR failed to send out their certificates or mismatched certs this year, not a really big deal was made about it. What difference does CRProps sending out certificates when there was no real price difference? The certificates in the end are really very pointless. The best example of how these things should have been handled was the Don Post Vader Deluxe. Right there on the item in question.

I have another question to the knowledgeable vacuum formers out here. Does pull #1 differ from pull #20 or pull #50? I think it does with poured helmets, a la the DP Deluxe vader, but have no clue how a mold would soften up on a vacuum formed piece.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

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<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 30 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1329561[/snapback]

Actually, that's not one of mine. That certificate is a joke that crprops put with helmets he put together for $hits and giggles. It is meaningless.

I absolutely can't believe that you still think the SDS helmet's parts are correct.
You are probably the last person on the rpf to think so.
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So your partner sent fraudulent certificates out - thats nothing to be proud of.

I think most people would say the comparison pics SithLord posted looked pretty darn accurate. Certainly the teeth on my CRProps/Gino are not as defined as the SDS so maybe what you lose in one area you win in another?

Cheers

Jez
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I just read this part and I have a question. When MR failed to send out their certificates or mismatched certs this year, not a really big deal was made about it. What difference does CRProps sending out certificates when there was no real price difference? The certificates in the end are really very pointless. The best example of how these things should have been handled was the Don Post Vader Deluxe. Right there on the item in question.

I have another question to the knowledgeable vacuum formers out here. Does pull #1 differ from pull #20 or pull #50? I think it does with poured helmets, a la the DP Deluxe vader, but have no clue how a mold would soften up on a vacuum formed piece.
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errr, imo there's a huge amount of difference between

i) mistakingly sending the wrong/no plaques out
ii) Telling people they had numbered helmets when in reality it was considered a laugh for "$hits and giggles"

Not trying to make a big issue out of it but it sounds again like dual standards and certainly not a joking matter. If SDS had done this I'm sure it would be yet another reason why they should be hung, drawn and quartered :rolleyes

Cheers

Jez

 

[DarkLordSalvo]

Look, dash/period-man,
I'm actually trying to DEFEND the "grey area" of our hobby that we value so much. Why don't you see that?

Did TE opperate in this grey area when he copied an original? YES. Did AA then recast TE's work? Most likely as far as it looks. Is this okay and acceptable? By you and Jez apparently it is, but not by the COC everyone else is supposed to adhere to. Why is this? Because he made the originals but had to STEAL from someone else that copied his work while operating in the "grey area"? This is so cut and dry my head hurts.

"And the bottom line here is, when Jez points out that TE "recast" AA's work when he took one of the helmets that AA originally cast, trimmed and constructed, he's entirely correct, by any known definition of the word 'recast.'"

I understand that, WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF STEALING, I got it. B) But the people here that copy real stuff are not labeled as recaster and like I said, SHOULD NOT AND WON"T BE. Do you read that correctly? As long as they don't flaunt it, get into trouble, and bring down the wrath of the copyright holders they will continue to be allowed by the RPF to do so.

You've apparently been here long enough to know this. And I'm so done with this topic...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

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<div class='quotetop'>(BingoBongo275 @ Oct 1 2006, 06:44 AM) [snapback]1329775[/snapback]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 30 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1329561[/snapback]

Actually, that's not one of mine. That certificate is a joke that crprops put with helmets he put together for $hits and giggles. It is meaningless.

I absolutely can't believe that you still think the SDS helmet's parts are correct.
You are probably the last person on the rpf to think so.
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So your partner sent fraudulent certificates out - thats nothing to be proud of.

I think most people would say the comparison pics SithLord posted looked pretty darn accurate. Certainly the teeth on my CRProps/Gino are not as defined as the SDS so maybe what you lose in one area you win in another?

Cheers

Jez
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I just read this part and I have a question. When MR failed to send out their certificates or mismatched certs this year, not a really big deal was made about it. What difference does CRProps sending out certificates when there was no real price difference? The certificates in the end are really very pointless. The best example of how these things should have been handled was the Don Post Vader Deluxe. Right there on the item in question.

I have another question to the knowledgeable vacuum formers out here. Does pull #1 differ from pull #20 or pull #50? I think it does with poured helmets, a la the DP Deluxe vader, but have no clue how a mold would soften up on a vacuum formed piece.
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errr, imo there's a huge amount of difference between

i) mistakingly sending the wrong/no plaques out
ii) Telling people they had numbered helmets when in reality it was considered a laugh for "$hits and giggles"

Not trying to make a big issue out of it but it sounds again like dual standards and certainly not a joking matter. If SDS had done this I'm sure it would be yet another reason why they should be hung, drawn and quartered :rolleyes

Cheers

Jez
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Okay, you did not answer my question though. What is the difference? You are not buying an underground prop copy thinking you will someday sell it for an insane price because it is pull #7. I am not saying it is a right thing to do, I am asking what the big deal is. You paid for a piece and he tossed in a "Plaque" to go along with it. Was an extra sum charged for the plaque? No one asked for MR to be drawn and quartered when they did the same thing, even being an oversight like they claim.

So again, when the CRProps helmets were originally sold, were buyers being told they were purchasing/paying extra for numbered items?

<div class='quotetop'>(DarkLordSalvo @ Oct 1 2006, 03:37 PM) [snapback]1330019[/snapback]</div>

Look, dash/period-man
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Not to digress, but I THINK it's BEAZ in Morse code.

 

[DarkLordSalvo]

Oh, okay. I was wondering how to say that. :confused

No offense meant regarding your name BEANZ. :lol

 

[Keith]

The angles here are not the same, as i took the pics without knowing the angles of the pictures taken of the orignals. The fact that my helmet is not painted and has no markings doesnt help either, but just for fun....

Thanks wackychimp for hosting,

Keith.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Keith, Your helmet looks really nice.

But I've just taken your pics and in just 5 mins in photoshop come up with the following......

Now don't take this the wrong way but someone could point to the following differences between the pics you have compared, namely

Lack of definition around the trapezoid/frame
Over exaggerated 5th tooth
"soft area" in the cheek hollow where it should go to a point.

Now there may be very good reasons why your helmet has these apparent issues, and tbh I'm not really interested, as this was just to point out that anything we put up here can be picked apart

- in 5 mins in this case.

Thanks again wc

Cheers

Jez

 

[SithLord]

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The angles here are not the same, as i took the pics without knowing the angles of the pictures taken of the orignals. The fact that my helmet is not painted and has no markings doesnt help either, but just for fun....

Thanks wackychimp for hosting,

Keith.
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Here are my previous comparisons alongside photos you posted (except I color corrected your helmet photos...a bit orange). Where should I start? The face on your helmet is too short top to bottom, the right mouth tube on your helmet is too small in the front, the proportion of the side tube on the helmet's right side is too large in relation to the height of the side of the face, the crown of the headcap is smaller in relation to the face than it should be, the eye rims on your helmet are thicker than they should be nor are they proportioned correctly in relation to the size of the face, the height of that black center part between the aerators is shorter than it should be, and the mouth is larger in relation to the face than it should be, and so on. In short, I see very little in common between your helmet and the SDS and original helmet.

 

[Keith]

Yes, the helmet that this came from (TE's first helmet) has very soft details around the traps and also the shelf that runs around the back. If you read my posts, you will have noticed i complain about that quite a lot. Thats why i would love to see another orignal helmet molded.

The 5th teeth are there on the helmet this came from and are correct. Its also quite sharp and pointed in that cheek to tube area, but i don't think anything can quite match HDPE for sharpness in areas like that.

Keith.

 

[Keith]

Stick to Vaders Thomas :lol
I'm not going to re-trim the eyes, front of cap and move mic tips around to match a helmet i don't want to make a replica of.

Keith.

 

[SethB6025]

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Yes there is more to this story...like TE never mentioned to LFL that he is an unlicensed helmet/armor producer, just like AA. :rolleyes
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LFL is fully aware of what TE does/did. Of course, if it wasn't obvious from the court document than I guess there's no changing anyones mind on that.

 

[SithLord]

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LFL is fully aware of what TE does/did. Of course, if it wasn't obvious from the court document than I guess there's no changing anyones mind on that.
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Can you honestly say that? And could you point out what is obvious from the court document that he is a manufacturer and dealer of unlicensed TK helmets and armor? I suppose then that discussing TE's history of unlicensed helmet/armor manufacture with LFL would be alright with TE?

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

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Yes, the helmet that this came from (TE's first helmet) has very soft details around the traps and also the shelf that runs around the back. If you read my posts, you will have noticed i complain about that quite a lot. Thats why i would love to see another orignal helmet molded.

The 5th teeth are there on the helmet this came from and are correct. Its also quite sharp and pointed in that cheek to tube area, but i don't think anything can quite match HDPE for sharpness in areas like that.

Keith.
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Keith,

my point was that just like you I also can stick arrows on a comparison pic and show where things arent right.

Cheers

Jez

 

[Gytheran]

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Yes, the helmet that this came from (TE's first helmet) has very soft details around the traps and also the shelf that runs around the back. If you read my posts, you will have noticed i complain about that quite a lot. Thats why i would love to see another orignal helmet molded.

The 5th teeth are there on the helmet this came from and are correct. Its also quite sharp and pointed in that cheek to tube area, but i don't think anything can quite match HDPE for sharpness in areas like that.

Keith.
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Keith,

my point was that just like you I also can stick arrows on a comparison pic and show where things arent right.

Cheers

Jez
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Except, what's wrong is not due to the geometry of the helmet it was recast from... unlike the SDS one.