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[Dann]

The other thing is that the angle isn't nearly as steep as the ones the shop have done.

Or maybe it's steeper. I reckon it depends on how you look at it.

I'm sorry, I just feel like we discussed all this months ago. I thought everything had been gone over and discussed to death.

I certainly don't intend to come off as an ass. I just want the parts to be right.

 

[Dann]

That second picture is great.

I think this drawing is more correct, just add a knurl.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

Yes! That looks good to me.

 

[Boba Debt]

No worries, it just fortunate that production was halted and we have another opportunity to discuss this.

When we originally discussed this part it sort of ended with a 50/50 split.

The angles on the shop part and Scotts part are the same, it just looks a lot different on the 50/50 split.

I don't mind changing this but we will need more interaction from the group, otherwise I could post pictures of the new part next Wednesday and a bunch of people could be just as out spoken about it as you have been with this one.

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Hold on:

 

[Dann]

The other issue for me is with the flash hider. I just don't think it's as simple as a copy of the Bespin hider with a chamfer rather than a radius.

I reckon I can take it as it is and make some modifications to it on my little lathe here at home in an attempt to make it more to my liking, but I believe some of the angles/lengths are slightly off.

 

[matty matt]

That second picture is great.

I think this drawing is more correct, just add a knurl.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

This works for me.

 

[Boba Debt]

The other issue for me is with the flash hider. I just don't think it's as simple as a copy of the Bespin hider with a chamfer rather than a radius.

I reckon I can take it as it is and make some modifications to it on my little lathe here at home in an attempt to make it more to my liking, but I believe some of the angles/lengths are slightly off.

A lot of people agree that the Hoth Flash Hider is a resin copy of the Hero Bespin Flash Hider. They could have filled in the transition from the body to the cone to make it beveled because that would be easier to cast.

If you look at the pictures posted to both thread they are very similar.

The "stepped bevel" theory has been pretty much disproven and the "wide band versus narrow band" at the back has been disproven.

The only thing really up in the air is the knurling which is why I offered it 3 different ways, 2 band, 1 wide band and no knurling at all.

 

[Husker75]

Flash hiders look great.
I like the updated version of the bolt you posted, and hopefully they can replicate the look as close as we can get. It's indeed very difficult to get that knurling just right. The angle of the photos plays tricks with you.. I've stared at these for hours sometimes and come to different opinions on different days.
I think things are pretty well nailed down.
Thanks again for keeping us in the loop and sharing the images!

 

[Reel Fakes]

This looks correct to me:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

The "knurling" looks weird to me though...like they cut it with a disc so it's shaped like () instead of ||

 

[3oin]

This looks correct to me:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

The "knurling" looks weird to me though...like they cut it with a disc so it's shaped like () instead of ||

I agree, I think that type of 'grip cut' is called "scalloped" .. and it is supposed to be more fancy/expensive than knurling.. you see it on high end music equipment. But as we are going for accuracy ...

I know months back during the discussion on the knob I was one of the people that felt it was 50/50 at the time BUT.. I agree, the plans above seem most like the knob in the reference.

I'm happy with the rest

 

[Country Paul]

Flash Hiders & Hoth Discs look great

definitley think the Hoth Flash Hiders need the bead blasting to look closer to the prop

 

[matty matt]

In the Bespin disk sample pic, does it look to anyone else like they countersunk the threaded hole? I'd rather not have that. I'd like it to look like the middle one.

 

[Halliwax]

No worries, it just fortunate that production was halted and we have another opportunity to discuss this.

When we originally discussed this part it sort of ended with a 50/50 split.

The angles on the shop part and Scotts part are the same, it just looks a lot different on the 50/50 split.

I don't mind changing this but we will need more interaction from the group, otherwise I could post pictures of the new part next Wednesday and a bunch of people could be just as out spoken about it as you have been with this one.

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http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

I sure am am happy with this new knob. I think the flash hiders look awesome, and I remember all the debate over the resin high flash. I've only read these threads 50 times lol

 

[Lichtbringer]

This looks correct to me:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/...SBBB/ESBScopeBracketBespin006_zps889d77df.jpg

The "knurling" looks weird to me though...like they cut it with a disc so it's shaped like () instead of ||

I agree. That´s why i cut mine with a "disc" (circular sawblade).

 

[Lichtbringer]

and I remember all the debate over the resin high flash.

Resin? For me it´s still black Delrin made, with silver paint. (And a different shape, too. might be the looking angle, but i don´t think so)

 

[thd9791]

I have to say the flash hiders look amazing. As does everything else. I agree though, I prefer those plans, I don't think it's a 50/50 split. and I completely am on the Knurled side of things, which not only avoids the scallop cuts but also might make that little ridge around the rim. I'm really happy production halted, so we can correct this.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Still very excited about this project.

 

[Dann]

Resin? For me it´s still black Delrin made, with silver paint. (And a different shape, too. might be the looking angle, but i don´t think so)

I agree. I think the Hoth hider is a different shape than the Bespin. Someone did a 3D rendering back in the thread, I wanna say it was Anakin Starkiller, and it looked almost spot on to me.

I understand everyone likes the ones already run, and that's fine. We're too far along to go back, now.

Looking back over the discussion thread, it seems we were all talking about the flash hider, then the discussion was abruptly shifted to the scope brackets before a real decision was made on the blueprints for the Hoth flash hider.

Guabe had some excellent renderings, and there was a photo of one that Lichtbringer had machined in the past that looked perfect in terms of shape. I should have chimed in back when the discussion was shifted to clarify what was decided regarding the flash hider.

At this point, it's too late, and that's cool. No big deal, and I'm glad everyone is happy with what they're seeing!

I'm excited to see the brackets, for sure!

 

[Boba Debt]

I agree, I think that type of 'grip cut' is called "scalloped" .. and it is supposed to be more fancy/expensive than knurling.. you see it on high end music equipment. But as we are going for accuracy ...

I know months back during the discussion on the knob I was one of the people that felt it was 50/50 at the time BUT.. I agree, the plans above seem most like the knob in the reference.

I'm happy with the rest

if I had seen the pictures Scott posted I would have instantly known it wasn't a 50/50 split. One thing most people don't understand is how much one little detail can throw off a part.

If you change the angle of something that pames one part shorter and the other part longer. It's a balancing act and it can take years to get it right if all you have to go on is distorted photos.

Flash Hiders & Hoth Discs look great

definitley think the Hoth Flash Hiders need the bead blasting to look closer to the prop

I'm going to offer bead blasting for the Hoth Flash Hiders.

In the Bespin disk sample pic, does it look to anyone else like they countersunk the threaded hole? I'd rather not have that. I'd like it to look like the middle one.

It's not counter sunk. In the picture of the real prop you are seeing the threaded rod sticking out the hole. I will provide threaded rods and you will be able to adjust it to what you think is correct.

Still very excited about this project.

https://courtneyinecuador.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/gif-excited.gif?w=600

ME TOO

I agree. I think the Hoth hider is a different shape than the Bespin. Someone did a 3D rendering back in the thread, I wanna say it was Anakin Starkiller, and it looked almost spot on to me.

I understand everyone likes the ones already run, and that's fine. We're too far along to go back, now.

Looking back over the discussion thread, it seems we were all talking about the flash hider, then the discussion was abruptly shifted to the scope brackets before a real decision was made on the blueprints for the Hoth flash hider.

Guabe had some excellent renderings, and there was a photo of one that Lichtbringer had machined in the past that looked perfect in terms of shape. I should have chimed in back when the discussion was shifted to clarify what was decided regarding the flash hider.

At this point, it's too late, and that's cool. No big deal, and I'm glad everyone is happy with what they're seeing!

I'm excited to see the brackets, for sure!

There was a lot of discussion about the knurling on the Hoth Flash Hider and the material they were made of but I wasn't getting a lot of input on the shape or dimensions of the flash hiders so I moved on. The threads are augmented by emails which I don't like to do but sometimes I have to resort to that to figure out if everyone is happy. I'm normally send out an email and ask anyone that is not happy with the current irritation of a part to reply to the thread. If no one responds I move on.



I don't know what Gabe's measurements are but when we did this project in 2004 I worked with someone very involved with LFL who had access to way more information then all of us.

He personally verified /corrected my measurements on the Flash Hiders and the Bespin Scope Bracket. He also confirmed that the Hoth and Bespin Flash Hiders are virtually identical to each other in size and shape.

 

[Dann]

That hole in the knob the shop made is definitely countersunk, to aid in the threading. I don't think it needs to be as deep as it is, but it's most certainly countersunk. Clear as day.

Scottjua posted those photos way back in December of 2014 (EDIT: my mistake, January 10, 2015), showing the difference in height between the angled section and the straight section.

I think we all understand how much one little detail can throw off the look of a part, which is why we're all here, discussing all these little details on tiny parts, trying to get it right.

This is the first I've heard that you had correspondence with someone involved with LFL, but it makes no real difference to me. Unless they have the parts in hand, the fact that they are closely involved with LFL doesn't add any more weight to their claims, as far as I can tell. Saying something is virtually identical isn't the same as saying something is completely 100% identical, just as "close enough" isn't the same as totally accurate. That's like saying an MGC broomhandle Mauser is virtually identical to a C96 from 1930. Or the newer Armitage Shanks handwheel is "virtually identical" to the older handwheel that was used on the original lightsaber prop. They're close, but they're simply not the same.

I'm not the only one who believes they see something very different when comparing the fundamental shapes of the Bespin and Hoth flash hiders. I think the one Lichtbringer made is the closest anyone has come.

All that said, I'm gonna let the flash hider issue go, and chalk it up to simple lack of communication and specificity on all our parts.


EDIT: Here's where scottjua posted the photos in question.

 

[scottjua]

I think they tried to replicate my prototype knob's knurl. But I used a straight knurl and then hit the edges with a file to soften them up, which is why they look like ()


NOTE: These are not as thick as they should be (I made these long before I had the nice ref pic of thickness)