Rubies Supreme Stormtrooper
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tk1780
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Jumpin Jax
That was uncalled for.
The 501st costuming standards were put in place to keep quality and a certain uniformity in place. So when we go to events ie for Kids hospitals, cancer walks, toys for tots, and at least a hundred other charitable orginizations they see the real deal, or as best as can be represented. You will never go to an event where we are at, and people will wonder " is that a stormtrooper or someone wearing a cardboard box made to look like a stormtrooper ? " If there were not any standards in place this kind of thing would happen, and a lot of the charitys we support, because the people coming to support them want to see as real a stormtrooper or Vader as possible.
If you had ever seen a rubys 501st clone costume stand side by side a ABS
vacum formed version you would spot the lack of quality and how it stands out, it looks for lack of a better word cheap. I can say that as I have been witness to this exact test. The comments made regarding the quality of this costume and the rubys Vader are circumspect, and if you have handled the rubys Vader up close ( again I have ) you will see it will not survive much rigourous activity. I could go into details but as I own a $3000 dollar + Vader I am sure you will take my words as griping about what I have paid for my suit. So I wont bother.
The 501st has standards, it is not elitist. Ask any of the charitable organisations we support if any of them think we are elitist.
You may post whatever kind of negative retort in my direction as you like, as I am sure you will find some fault to my words, and they will be angering you to say more unkind things about the 501st. I for my part will refraim from viewing this thread any longer as it has now degradied into name calling and is not at all constructive.
By the way, $3000 on my vader costume, and guess what, it is not 501st approved as part of my armor is Empire Strikes back, part of it is a New Hope. Looks 10000% better than any Rubys suit you will ever see, but I accept that it is not cannon. I wear it, when one of our other main Vaders who is approved, can not make it out to an event, like a hospital burn unit, kids cancer ward, MS scociety fund raiser.
So feel free as I said to belittle my words as I am sure you will. I wont look back on this thread to read nor comment on it further.
That was uncalled for.
The 501st costuming standards were put in place to keep quality and a certain uniformity in place. So when we go to events ie for Kids hospitals, cancer walks, toys for tots, and at least a hundred other charitable orginizations they see the real deal, or as best as can be represented. You will never go to an event where we are at, and people will wonder " is that a stormtrooper or someone wearing a cardboard box made to look like a stormtrooper ? " If there were not any standards in place this kind of thing would happen, and a lot of the charitys we support, because the people coming to support them want to see as real a stormtrooper or Vader as possible.
If you had ever seen a rubys 501st clone costume stand side by side a ABS
vacum formed version you would spot the lack of quality and how it stands out, it looks for lack of a better word cheap. I can say that as I have been witness to this exact test. The comments made regarding the quality of this costume and the rubys Vader are circumspect, and if you have handled the rubys Vader up close ( again I have ) you will see it will not survive much rigourous activity. I could go into details but as I own a $3000 dollar + Vader I am sure you will take my words as griping about what I have paid for my suit. So I wont bother.
The 501st has standards, it is not elitist. Ask any of the charitable organisations we support if any of them think we are elitist.
You may post whatever kind of negative retort in my direction as you like, as I am sure you will find some fault to my words, and they will be angering you to say more unkind things about the 501st. I for my part will refraim from viewing this thread any longer as it has now degradied into name calling and is not at all constructive.
By the way, $3000 on my vader costume, and guess what, it is not 501st approved as part of my armor is Empire Strikes back, part of it is a New Hope. Looks 10000% better than any Rubys suit you will ever see, but I accept that it is not cannon. I wear it, when one of our other main Vaders who is approved, can not make it out to an event, like a hospital burn unit, kids cancer ward, MS scociety fund raiser.
So feel free as I said to belittle my words as I am sure you will. I wont look back on this thread to read nor comment on it further.
Bobtherocker
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the 501st cant be that elitist,
They let me in :lol
They let me in :lol
I will point out that a lot of folks who bought the Rubies Supreme Vader suit have modified it and replaced parts and have actually been accepted into the 501st on that basis.
As a fellow who has a Rubies suit, I agree that some parts of it are bad. However, no one - and I mean no one - makes more accurate ROTS chest armor today. And the Rubies chest box is much more accurate in its shape than the Porty ROTS box. With a repaint, new rods and a $20 blinker circuit, it blows the Porty box away.
In terms of new parts for my Rubies, I've bought Sitharmor screen-accurate ROTS gloves new ABS shins and buckle; a Portumac chest box; a Master Replicas lid and light saber hilt; and I've made my own screen accurate ROTS chain.
I am keeping the chest armor, cape and cloak. And the body suit - for now. Those parts are fine for me. And I'll put my highly modified Rubies up against any other Vader any time, thank you very much.
Huzz
As a fellow who has a Rubies suit, I agree that some parts of it are bad. However, no one - and I mean no one - makes more accurate ROTS chest armor today. And the Rubies chest box is much more accurate in its shape than the Porty ROTS box. With a repaint, new rods and a $20 blinker circuit, it blows the Porty box away.
In terms of new parts for my Rubies, I've bought Sitharmor screen-accurate ROTS gloves new ABS shins and buckle; a Portumac chest box; a Master Replicas lid and light saber hilt; and I've made my own screen accurate ROTS chain.
I am keeping the chest armor, cape and cloak. And the body suit - for now. Those parts are fine for me. And I'll put my highly modified Rubies up against any other Vader any time, thank you very much.
Huzz
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
You do not see that as a problem? It is some weird double standard of acceptance. It is good enough when your "approved" Vader is not there, but not when he is?
SHalamar
Well-Known Member
The Vader costume isn't accepted, as-is, as its not a terribly good outfit. The materials are cheaper, and wouldn't hold out for long trooping events. And its need a lot of work to be accurate. Its a great quick Vader outfit, and a fantastic halloween costume, but 501'st? No. Standards are there for a reason.
As for the Rubies Supreme Stormtrooper, as far as I know, the FISD, and the 501'st are witholding judgement until they actually see and examine it in person. Will there be problems? Sure. Looks the helmet may need to be replaced or modded, and well, the suit doesn't come with shoes. SOme others have said that the plastic on the suit is terribly thin, and that it might not hold up for longer trooping events. How well will it fit a person? Chances are the suit will still need to be trimmed and altered to fit the person wearing it to just make it look right.
People would be better buying a simularily priced, but higher quality fan made suit with will be more durable, fit better, and frankly, look better on the person.
And my understanding with the rubies Vader, is that most people who buy the rubies end up replacing all aspects of the suit in the long term, making it an incredibly poor investment.
As for the Rubies Supreme Stormtrooper, as far as I know, the FISD, and the 501'st are witholding judgement until they actually see and examine it in person. Will there be problems? Sure. Looks the helmet may need to be replaced or modded, and well, the suit doesn't come with shoes. SOme others have said that the plastic on the suit is terribly thin, and that it might not hold up for longer trooping events. How well will it fit a person? Chances are the suit will still need to be trimmed and altered to fit the person wearing it to just make it look right.
People would be better buying a simularily priced, but higher quality fan made suit with will be more durable, fit better, and frankly, look better on the person.
And my understanding with the rubies Vader, is that most people who buy the rubies end up replacing all aspects of the suit in the long term, making it an incredibly poor investment.
"And my understanding with the rubies Vader, is that most people who buy the rubies end up replacing all aspects of the suit in the long term, making it an incredibly poor investment."
Not quite my friend!
Consider:
1) Its a poor investment only if you start out wanting to join the 501st.
2) If you just want an instant Vader costume that most folks will think is great at a party or halloween, its a great investment.
And don't forget that, for fome folks like me who bought one for reason 2), it was a gateway into the Star Wars costuming hobby. For that alone, the Rubies suit should earn an honorable mention.
And I actually don't mind the extra investment. besides, I've been careful with my money and bought those replacement parts over time and been careful to shop for good prices. And all the while, I've had a passable Vader outfit.
Cheers!
Huzz
Not quite my friend!
Consider:1) Its a poor investment only if you start out wanting to join the 501st.
2) If you just want an instant Vader costume that most folks will think is great at a party or halloween, its a great investment.
And don't forget that, for fome folks like me who bought one for reason 2), it was a gateway into the Star Wars costuming hobby. For that alone, the Rubies suit should earn an honorable mention.
And I actually don't mind the extra investment. besides, I've been careful with my money and bought those replacement parts over time and been careful to shop for good prices. And all the while, I've had a passable Vader outfit.
Cheers!
Huzz
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Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
:rolleyes
I'd insult your city in return, but well, that would be stupid, irrelevant, childish...
CGClone
Sr Member
Onkelpsycho
Sr Member
If I ever get a Vader or a Stormtrooper Costume I will put it a nice corner with some nice light on it and a plate where you can read "prop xxx from movie xxx and some information...
Thats it...
And if you like your costume, its allright.
The 501st can do whatever they want, but I never understand why someone must know vaccum forming, ABS, and all these stuff just to join a club, where you only got obligations...
And these rules from what material your costume must be, and how it must look, this is a little bit confusing. On every con I see 501 Members wearing costumes with oversized helmets and vaders looking like **** (sorry... but thats a fact)
So, everyone who wants to get a SW Costume, whatever you like, get it...
You do it for yourself, not for the 501st.
Thats it...
And if you like your costume, its allright.
The 501st can do whatever they want, but I never understand why someone must know vaccum forming, ABS, and all these stuff just to join a club, where you only got obligations...
And these rules from what material your costume must be, and how it must look, this is a little bit confusing. On every con I see 501 Members wearing costumes with oversized helmets and vaders looking like **** (sorry... but thats a fact)
So, everyone who wants to get a SW Costume, whatever you like, get it...
You do it for yourself, not for the 501st.
SHalamar
Well-Known Member
I did it for myself. I always wanted a Vader Costume.
But I also wanted to do something with it. so I joined the 501'st.
Now I know that the die hards in the RPF would consider my outfit no better than the Rubies, but I admit I have a damn fine outfit. There are many in the 501'st that work very hard for their outfits, and I displike to see anyone painted with a broad brush.
But I also wanted to do something with it. so I joined the 501'st.
Now I know that the die hards in the RPF would consider my outfit no better than the Rubies, but I admit I have a damn fine outfit. There are many in the 501'st that work very hard for their outfits, and I displike to see anyone painted with a broad brush.
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
Marc, yours is one of the best Vaders that these non-expert eyes have seen, not to mention having a great owner. Anyone that has nothing but criticism for it doesn't deserve your company.
The broad brush I despise from "them" is "not good enough because I say so, but hey, ignore MY gigantic flaws because I said so."
firebladejedi
Well-Known Member
Well this thread has derailed big time and has seen more personal attacks than an election campaign :thumbsdown
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Isn't it already pretty low because of the FX suits?
Egon Spengler
Master Member
FX/GF was the standard for the 501st from the start, as far as I know so don't knock it too hard. It's also still the majority in the group. People that choose to wear the more accurate armor from the films should do that if they want to, but people shouldn't expect the other members to suddenly go out and buy more accurate armor when the FX armor is the majority and has been the standard for some time now.
