ROGUE ONE Jyn Erso - open build thread!

[Indy Magnoli]

Who writes these signs? A concho is a metal buckle used in Latin-American style clothing:

It's a poncho.

And the "printed detail" I find suspect... I'm pretty sure the blood-stripes on Jyn and Cassian's jackets are embroidered like they are on Han's pants.

Those display signs have always been suspect and I find a major mistake on most of them (such as calling Finn's Jacket nubuck leather, when it is clearly not)... maybe they get "creative" just to mess with us costumers.

 

[Yutani Exec]

I wasn't trying to 'big up' my pics, I was trying to articulate that the pics by 'withoutastitchon' are outstanding (far superior to mine) and some of the best reference you will find - certainly for the CE poncho.

But thank you for the compliment.

 

[Yutani Exec]

Yutani Exec. I also have some on order but you will get yours earlier than I will. I was critical of the original Rok find and the concern I have with the photos of the Czech M60 hook is the shape of its front. The pictures of the M60 appeared to show the hook coming to a point to hook into a D-ring whereas the one on the Vest definitely has a rounded top. There may be different versions of the M60 or there may be distortion in the pictures from the vendor. A straight on photo or comparison would be helpful. Thank you.

smithjohnj, the M60 suspender hook is pointed, not rounded as it appears in many of the photos of Jyn's greeblie - although at a certain angle the screen-used greeblie does look a tad pointed in one pic, just the same as the M60 hook. The film used part does appear to be slightly different than the M60 suspender hook.

I am about to travel at the moment but will post some pics up later as requested.

 

[spectreseven]

Who writes these signs? A concho is a metal buckle used in Latin-American style clothing:

http://myhorsebling.com/wp-content/...ted-Round-Rope-Edge-Swirl-Slotted-Concho1.jpg

It's a poncho.

And the "printed detail" I find suspect... I'm pretty sure the blood-stripes on Jyn and Cassian's jackets are embroidered like they are on Han's pants.

Those display signs have always been suspect and I find a major mistake on most of them (such as calling Finn's Jacket nubuck leather, when it is clearly not)... maybe they get "creative" just to mess with us costumers.

From looking at the costumes in person at SDCC, the stripes on Jyn and Cassian's jackets don't actually seem to be embroidered. They were solid and had a bit of a shine to them, so they looked more like the puff paint that some people on the thread have tried.

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I wasn't trying to 'big up' my pics, I was trying to articulate that the pics by 'withoutastitchon' are outstanding (far superior to mine) and some of the best reference you will find - certainly for the CE poncho.

But thank you for the compliment.

Didn't think you were Just want to give credit where credit is due. You and withoutastitchon are both awesome for sharing your photos and helping everyone out.

 

[Indy Magnoli]

I can't imagine what kind of printing or paint would look like this:

If they're not embroidered, they're at least some kind of applique... no way are those printed on.

Maybe it's not the hero costumes being displayed...

 

[Yutani Exec]

Okay, here are pics of the Cz M60 pack suspender hooks. I received two sets - one with the pack with leather and canvas straps / webbing. The second was a separate set of suspenders all leather.

The hooks are not mirrored as I speculated in a previous post, but are all symmetrical between those on the left hand side of the suspender rig, and those on the right. So four per rig.

As postulated by smithjohnj, the hooks have a point tip which is also angled slightly to help retain it on the backpack attachment rings. Jyn's hook appears to be more rounded at the tip...



...although there is a pic where a pointed tip can be discerned - "from a certain point of view"








These are close to, but are unlikely to be, the found part. Unless they were modded / hammered to a more round point by the prop builders? They are strong (steel?) so that would take some effort, and I not sure they would go to the trouble. For uber-correctness I would say these are not quite it, but they are close enough to pass - for those wishing to use something until the found part is identified.

I'll chase with Chris Trevas and see if PoSW has any leads?

 

[spectreseven]

I can't imagine what kind of printing or paint would look like this:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg291/indy_magnoli/RPF/cassian-embroidery_zpsl0j7e7wk.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg291/indy_magnoli/RPF/cassian-embroidery2_zpsrmvujzy9.jpg

If they're not embroidered, they're at least some kind of applique... no way are those printed on.

Maybe it's not the hero costumes being displayed...

That's interesting... those definitely aren't printed. I went back to look at the Nuremberg Toy fair photos and it seems like there's a bit of texture on those too, much more like applique than printing:



You could be right and there are two different types of printing on the jackets, or it may have been a trick of the con lighting that made the stripes look smooth and shiny like plastic at SDCC and they actually are just appliquéd. Unfortunately I don't think that the photos I took are high resolution enough to help much:

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Yeah, those shots definitely still look like embroidery or an applique of some kind. And yes, the style looks nearly identical to Andor's jacket, except I can't see the side buckles, which make me think Jyn's might have the waistband with horizontal stitching all the way around.

Does anyone have any shots of the back of the jacket cuffs? That's the one detail I can't 100% confirm.

 

[spectreseven]

Yeah, those shots definitely still look like embroidery or an applique of some kind. And yes, the style looks nearly identical to Andor's jacket, except I can't see the side buckles, which make me think Jyn's might have the waistband with horizontal stitching all the way around.

Does anyone have any shots of the back of the jacket cuffs? That's the one detail I can't 100% confirm.

If she's wearing the jacket under the poncho like we speculate, then withoutastitchon has a few shots of the back of the cuffs in their album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/withoutastitchon/28342897602/in/album-72157668427075574/

 

[smithjohnj]

I was also skeptical about screen printing the battle jacket stripes based on my own very dated experience with the technology. However others on this forum and my own research have convinced me this seems the correct technique. One good example of the raised effect puff ink via screen printing can produce is the following example:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0346/5761/products/stb-patch.jpg?v=1465586584

Sorry it is a cross reference to a Star Trek prop but it is current and clear.

 

[Toa Quarax]

New poster:

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Perfect, thanks! That pretty much nails almost every detail for this jacket.

 

[CarpElgin]

I've just received a length of "Joined Polyurethane Tubing for Water" 4 black tubes 1/8 inch outside diameter from McMaster Carr. (There is also an option that is 1/4" outside diameter.)

The combined width is just about 9/16 of an inch.

It feels like it might be too narrow, but the flex seems just about right. For the moment, it's better than nothing.

 

[smithjohnj]

Thanks to @Yutani Exec for information on the Czech M60 rucksack and suspenders. I found I could buy the rucksack with the suspenders cheaper than just the suspenders alone so I have some free components for a future project. I received them today and freed two of the four hooks. As pointed out earlier these hooks do come to a point but once I had them in hand the point is not really that far off from the semi-circular top I wanted.

Just as a test I took one hook, a 3/8" inch drill bit, and a vise to see if I could round-out the point a little. By putting the drill bit shaft into the pointed section and then using the vise to squeeze the point and bit together I was able to round the tip. The jaws of my vise were rough and that chipped off some of the paint but I did not see that as a problem as I may end up removing all the paint if I decide to use this component.

Here is a picture of a regular hook (on the left) and my modified version (on the right). My final conclusion is that even an unmodified hook will probably work well for anyone not hoping for a complete screen accurate vest. Two minutes with a bench vise will improve the hook slightly.

 

[smithjohnj]

Making some progress on Jyn's Blouse based on @CarpElgin Disney Costume photos. I have replaced my original two piece front yoke with a wrap-around collar "bib". The front of the bib overlaps and is framed by the blouse front neckline. Unlike the Disney child's costume I decided not to include a back seam or zipper as I do not believe it is necessary. Here are some photos of the completed bib ready for insertion into the front/back neckline. This new design required yet another modification of the front and back pattern pieces, replaced the old yoke with the new bib pattern.

The smiley face stickers mark the position of the rare earth magnets which are used for closures. The markers were as much to avoid breaking needles. picking up stray scissors, and pins, as much as for magnet placement.

 

[AtlGurl9225]

Okay, folks, I have a question. I have already worked my own patterns for blouse, pants and boots. Boots are modded and completed. I didn't try the Ducati latches or similar methods mentioned but they look pretty good as is compared to the existing SU pics. I bought a pair similar in build, foamed, invented, wonderflexed and worbla'd my face off, airbrushing the snot out of them and weathered them.

My question relates to the pants. I bought a pair of Walmart scrubs and used them to make my own pattern, taking in the thighs and calves but leaving the hips wide akin to the IOC pants. I'm trying to find reference for where the pin tucks start on the shin in relation to the inseam and where they stop. Granted, I know there isn't much to work on currently, but does anyone have any idea how far around or how wide the pin tucks should be? I'm guessing based on my own research that it is about 6" high on a 5'9" woman, and about 4" wide, total width.Has anyone besides the first kind poster who touched on this experimented with it?

Any direction is appreciated. I've been pintucking my face off, but I'm not sure how to place them and I'm hoping one of you does.

 

[CarpElgin]

My question relates to the pants. I bought a pair of Walmart scrubs and used them to make my own pattern, taking in the thighs and calves but leaving the hips wide akin to the IOC pants. I'm trying to find reference for where the pin tucks start on the shin in relation to the inseam and where they stop. Granted, I know there isn't much to work on currently, but does anyone have any idea how far around or how wide the pin tucks should be? I'm guessing based on my own research that it is about 6" high on a 5'9" woman, and about 4" wide, total width.Has anyone besides the first kind poster who touched on this experimented with it?

Any direction is appreciated. I've been pintucking my face off, but I'm not sure how to place them and I'm hoping one of you does.

First off, hi! It's always fun to meet other people doing work!

Your math will probably be dependent on how wide your pant leg is, etc. My panel, not including the extra taken up by the tucks is about 3.5" -- at the bottom and almost 4 1/4" at the top (just under the knee... for me that's about 11" tall.) It should be about 1/4 of the circumference of the pant leg.

Basically, divide those numbers by 9 for the distance between each tuck -- since they aren't parallel. (9 sections = 8 tucks)

I sewed in about 2mm from each fold (It was super easy on my machine) That takes up the width a little more than about 5mm each -- which works out to about 1 1/2" of extra room you'll need to add to the pintuck section.

And now I am reminded that need to go back and redo the pants, after I finish everything else.

And good call on skipping the Ducati latch! I think I have a better match with a Lange Z series ski boot latch I just received last week. (Which I need to get some better photos and measurements of.)

 

[CarpElgin]

So, a week or two ago I fell down a buckle rabbit hole with Lange ski boots mentioned by @Chrononaut and @smithjohnj.

And then I found a picture of the Lange Z series downhill ski boot (from the mid 1980s), which has a buckle with a flatter top and a little T shaped security catch on the end.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lange_(ski_boots)

And then I found the patents (in case anyone is interested.)

https://www.google.com/patents/USD2...ved=0ahUKEwi6p5P6tPjOAhVKxmMKHS04BqgQ6AEIIjAB

https://www.google.com/patents/US44...ved=0ahUKEwi6p5P6tPjOAhVKxmMKHS04BqgQ6AEIRTAG

https://www.google.com/patents/US44...=0ahUKEwjgk7nkvPjOAhVJx2MKHcQFDTg4ChDoAQgoMAI

And then I ordered a pair. I haven't removed the buckles from the boot. The top 3 buckles are essentially the same with slightly different latch lengths. Sadly, it looks like the smaller bottom one is the closest match, though.

 

[smithjohnj]

AtlGurl9225 Just to expand slightly upon CarpElgin, there are three distinct sections of Jyn's pant legs. Each upper leg has four seams; center front, outer side, center back, and inner side. Just below the knee there is a horizontal casing which holds a gray webbing and buckle. The casing encircles 3/4s of the way around each leg. The casing starts to the outside of the center front seam (approximately 1 1/2 inch on Felicity) , runs around the front and ends on the outer side of the back center seam (again approximately 1 1/2 inch beyond the seam). Below the casing is the pintuck section. The pintucks run one-fourth of the way around the lower leg. Although some of the photos distort the fabric, the pintuck section starts at the center front seam and runs to the outer side seam.

 

[Yutani Exec]

Fab mod smithjohnj - something I will try when back home.