Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

I'm wrong. I watched it again and it looked like the same shape when I saw it the first time. It's a totally different droid. It looks like it has the same panel on the back as Stormtrooper armor.

Here (I think this linked to the exact post): http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=175718&page=68&p=3954122&viewfull=1#post3954122

Yeah, 100% positive that Tudyk's motion capture droid character, rumored to be an Imperial assassin droid repurposed by the Rebels. In both clips he is seen with the Rebels, not fighting them.
 
Those of us who were turned off by Rey's absurdly fast and advanced facility with the Force have just been shown a trailer featuring another scrawny female lead who's shown kicking ass in close combat. And this girl, presumably, does not have the Force to explain her abilities.

It's just a glimpse, to be fair, but it's made me and some others think, Oh God, here we go again. Girl power run amok. Listen, I agree that some women are way more capable than the classic Hollywood stereotype of them falling down as they attempt to flee the monster or bad guy. But apparently it's not good enough for girls to not fall down as they flee danger. No, they have to turn around and beat the living crap out of that danger, even when it defies the laws of physics and common sense. The pendulum has swung waaaay too far to the other side. I'm hoping it will settle in the middle, in reality, some day soon.

If this new girl kicks ass the way Rey did, if she's another Mary Sue, Disney will never see another dime from me.

But I don't think that will happen. I think the filmmakers heard the Mary Sue gripes, and will avoid repeating that mistake. I'm cautiously optimistic.

You understand these are FANTASY films, right?

I just.....I don't understand why it would be okay if it were a man. Countless male lead action films over the years that are completely unrealistic, but they get a pass. No big deal. Oh, they're cheesy and unrealistic, but it's still good fun, right? Yet the moment it's a female, OH *****, the nerve! It just defies the laws of physics. I can't believe this tripe. How dare they! What garbage. :rolleyes

Who cares? Who ****ing cares? This Mary Sue nonsense in just that - nonsense. So what if the character is overpowered or unrealistic? IT'S A FANTASY FILM. There's a never ending list of these types of characters throughout film history. Primarily male. But are still loved and adored. So why is it such a big ****ing deal when we get a female character with the same unrealistic abilities?

I mean, really. God ****ing forbid little girls have strong characters of their own gender to look up to. To want to pretend to be, to want to dress up as. That's just ludicrous. All girls want to be princesses, after all. ALL GIRLS.

I really can't understand how someone can complain about realism in a ********* Star Wars film. It just blows my mind.

The only thing going through my mind watching the trailer was my inner child screaming his head off at the awesomeness I was witnessing. Some of you people really need to get back in touch with your inner child, because you have grown up to be cynical, bitter people. :facepalm
 
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I really need to stop posting in opinion threads on movies, especially when it comes to Star Wars. I read some of the posts here and I just shake my head. While I can agree that we are all entitled to our opinions, I can't stand the fact that people will whine to no end about every minute detail as if it is the end of the world. If you don't like the movie, don't see it. It's that simple. When it comes down to it, it's really amazing any movie even gets made. Even the bad ones. With thousands and thousands of scripts being submitted to studios, only a FRACTION of those ever get green lit and of those only another small fraction make it out of development and into production, some of which are never seen by an audience because they never get released. The fact of the matter is, we get to see more live action Star Wars films in the theater and all people can do is complain because they don't like this about it or that about it. Will we all have opinions about the new films? Yes. Will I? Yes. But I like to think that I can at least think clearly enough about it to acknowledge that if the movies are not good that it's still really exciting to know that we even GET to see these in theaters.

I would love to see any of US do any better, and I include myself in that as well. 99% of fan films suck, and you know why? Because as talented as fans are, the best that most of us can come up with for a story is a bunch of fight scenes with really impressive effects and well made costumes, the exact things that Lucas was lambasted for over the Prequel trilogy. A story is about characters who go through an arc and convey a theme. Show me one fan film that has done that effectively. I tried writing my own fan film with my own characters and it was absolute garbage, despite my best efforts. (Though in my defense I was only 18 at the time.)

At the least, all of the official Star Wars films have at least attempted to create characters we care about, even if they didn't always succeed. There will always be haters and critics and detractors, but I think what makes Star Wars so great is that it should INSPIRE US TO DO BETTER!

Instead of bitching about how xyz sucked about TFA, or any of the Prequels, or this new Rogue One trailer, how about you try making your own?

Whew! *steps off soap box*

Psab
 
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Okay, not getting into the obsolete-think crap, and confining myself to the much healthier obsessing over nerdy minutiae...

I don't know what Felicity is wearing in that last shot. Gunners don't have hard armor. Pilots don't have belt boxes, and the chest armor is modified for the life-support box to be mounted to it (whether it's attached or not). Might be something new. Might be a new take on a Stormtrooper pilot flight uniform, a la the "updated" Stormtrooper armor and helmets...

Timeline stuff...?

For the most part I'm pretty excited- but now we have the same walkers 30 years- or whatever- before Empire? And Mon Mothma is still in the same dress in front of the same green battle map thing? Everything doesn't have to be the same, does it? But like I said, still pretty excited.

Bad Star Wars is still Star Wars. Worst case scenario- you get it.

This is three years before ESB. Rogue One will start mere days or weeks prior to Star Wars -- and end right before. So Mon Mothma has formal robes that she wears for important meetings in the two OT instances, roughly five and a half years apart. Whoopty. And we never saw her in the Yavin base, as was pointed out elsewhere -- so never seen in front of those lit-up tactical displays.

In this timeline, Biggs would still be in Tatooine, planning to go to the Imperial Academy.

Boy, I get tired of this! Biggs never went to -- or wanted to go to -- the Imperial Academy. He warns Luke that the Empire is nationalizing trade in the Core and it's only a matter of time before they turn their attention to the Outer Rim. He doesn't intend to wait around to be "drafted into Imperial service", so is going to jump ship and try to contact the Rebellion. Which, incidentally, calls into question the timeline of the film, as it's gonna take him some time to report to his new posting (a freighter, on which he is to serve as second mate, not a fighter pilot), travel to its next port of call, go AWOL, hook up with the Rebels, and get in good enough with them that they'll take his vouching for Luke when he shows up. So how long between when Leia's ship is attacked, and the droids get picked up/sold to the Larses?

That would be quite interesting, it's such a shame that they don't consider The Old Republic canon anymore, but it could be, I mean it can't affect the events of the saga, so why not, eh?

Curious what you're referring to, here. TOR took place thousands of years before the films. Just about anything can happen between then and now to get from the one state of galactic affairs to the other...

you know, speaking of grand admirals..wasn't admiral Dalla one, from the rouge squadron series?

she was pretty awesome..until they did a complete 180 on her character, somehow wussed her out by turning her good for no reason at all, and then making her the head of the Gallactic alliance for some reason. They ruined a perfectly good villain, that IIRC, was on the intelligence level of thrawn and far more ruthless.

One of the EU images that stick in my head all these years later was her blasting a SSD hidden inside coruscants city scape..

Wow.. Um... Okay, I thnk you need to do some refresher reading. ;) Daala, as originally introduced, was pretty frikkin' weak. She had innate talent, but only got her rank because she was Tarkin's mistress. That very quickly got revised in her next outing following the Jedi Academy Trilogy, to her having to deal with the untrue rumors that she only got her rank because she was Tarkin's mistress, when in fact he was just the first to actually recognize and reward her military talents.

Daala was never a Grand Admiral. When we first saw her she commanded a tiny task force of four Star Destroyers. After she saw the state of the outer galaxy, post-Endor, she elevated herself to Fleet Admiral and tried to unify all the squabbling power-grabbers following the Emperor's death and, when this proved impossible, she killed them all. All this was wearing on her, and she was just about done with it all when she ran across her old flame who she originally left her homeworld to (unsuccessfully) try to find. She quit the whole war thing to resettle with him and turned things over to Pellaeon. Later, he died and their planet was being preyed on by pirates, so she got the settlers organized and took over the pirate fleet, carving out a little safe corner of space. Later, when Jacen Solo fell to the Dark Side, she brought her fleet in as Pellaeon's ace-in-the-hole, right before he died. With everything in tatters, she was asked to lead the Galactic Alliance.

Now... You referenced the Rogue Squadron books and the Super Star Destroyer hidden on Coruscant, so I think you might be getting Daala conflated with Ysanne Isard, the Director of Imperial Intelligence. "Iceheart" is a central villain in the Rogue Squadron books, and ends up fleeing Coruscant aboard the Lusankya, the launch of which devastated hundreds of square miles of the cityscape.

I would love to see both characters rebooted into the new post-Endoe canon.

--Jonah
 
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Hell Yeah Gareth Edwards! Bringing us the goods. The Imperial officer looks awesome, Whitaker is sounding really good too.

Also,

DAMN Vader is making an appearance?! WHAT?! Death Troopers?! I hope this story goes off the rails crazy with the story. Not another chase, planet, chase, planet.

This is maybe more anticipated than 8 for me because of the nostalgia and seeing how well they can integrate a story that didn't exist...
 
In less someone can say differently, I believe I found a mess up. In that near last scene in Revenge of the Sith, where Vader and the Emperor are looking into the death star under construction, you can see that the dish is mostly already built. However, in this new trailer for R1, the dish is just being placed into the death star as if it hadn't been there yet. Its a cool shot, but did they overlook that I wonder......
 
I always find it that I can relate and feel emotions towards all characters in film rather than a specific gender. Man,Woman,Alien, whatever,but it's clear that some cannot. I'm happy films are giving women a chance after decades of male dominant hero roles. :)


Ben
 
I never bought the whole Mary Sue thing for Rey and I'm not buying it for Jyn either.

Right out the gate we know she is a loner, since she was 15, doing whatever it takes to survive. Except, they are reading out her rap sheet, you only get one of those when you aren't too good at stealing and forging etc. She also has a mark for assault so we know she is feisty, but not so much that she wasn't taken down to be arrested. That's the first 10 seconds of the trailer, lays it right out there that she is not all powerful and perfect.
 
I think the original Stormtrooper now will have kind of 2 separate branches: the classic OT Stormtrooper (asymmetrical, wonky, rough - I love it) and the RO Stormtrooper (more idealized, most likely symmetrical, better fitting armor, and still resembling the classic Stormie)
 
In the old EU, which I know is not cannon now the death star we see in ANH is not the first, a proof of concept death star was made in the maw, a place like Kessle full of black holes, this death star was just girders and a superlaser, much like we see at the end of ROTS. It was also a fraction of the size.
 
In less someone can say differently, I believe I found a mess up. In that near last scene in Revenge of the Sith, where Vader and the Emperor are looking into the death star under construction, you can see that the dish is mostly already built. However, in this new trailer for R1, the dish is just being placed into the death star as if it hadn't been there yet. Its a cool shot, but did they overlook that I wonder......

I had a fresh look at that scene in ROTS and it looks like the framework for the dish is there;
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So theres 3 ways to look at it,.....it's still a frame work for the superlaser to plug into
........It ended up being faulty and the shot we saw in the trailer was it returning from the repair shop
....or......the Prequels don't connect properly story-wise anyway,......Padme dying.....etc

J
 
People are only referring to Rey as a Mary Sue because Max Landis did. The idea of a character who has noble intentions is a classic literary tradition. No one ever says the same about Luke Frodo, or Clark Kent. Luke blew up the first Death Star with only a few days of training with Obi-Wan. I think I can buy the idea of Rey besting Kylo Ren in a duel after he's been greivously injured.
 
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I had a fresh look at that scene in ROTS and it looks like the framework for the dish is there;
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So theres 3 ways to look at it,.....it's still a frame work for the superlaser to plug into
........It ended up being faulty and the shot we saw in the trailer was it returning from the repair shop
....or......the Prequels don't connect properly story-wise anyway,......Padme dying.....etc

J

Since that scene seems to take place shortly after the birth of the twins and the main Death Star we know from ANH is basically considered to be in its "maiden voyage" 20 years later, I have always assumed that the construction shown here is merely a prototype. Hard to believe it would take them 20 years to build the battle station we saw in ANH.

M
 
Since that scene seems to take place shortly after the birth of the twins and the main Death Star we know from ANH is basically considered to be in its "maiden voyage" 20 years later, I have always assumed that the construction shown here is merely a prototype. Hard to believe it would take them 20 years to build the battle station we saw in ANH.

M

Yeah.....it just doesnt fit......20 years,.....it shouldnt have been in ROTS at all,....id say

Maybe should have seen the construction of Star Destroyers instead

J
 
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