Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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crabra comander
Master Member
So Rogue One is still a great idea, right guys? Donnie Yen, Mads, I'm looking forward to this.
Mads can only be a villain please!
Mads can only be a villain please!
Only thing I have a problem with SW from the first movies and now with the new ones is how the HELL do you erase an organization like the Jedi so completely? they've been there since the earliest days of the Republic which is hinted at being like twenty some thousand years ago so in twenty years no one remembers them?
Excuse me? that is one thing that has never fit in,as a kid I always took it that the clone wars were something that happened fifty odd years before Luke and all that,thinking on it after I found Vader was his daddy it made no sense,I felt Vader was an old man in his sixties at least but yet....
About all I can think is the Jedi were in the last part of a long decline and no one really believed in them anymore when the clone wars took place and Palpy made it seem that all their ways were simple tricks,that one guy in the first film in '77 sure thought Vader was a joke.
Excuse me? that is one thing that has never fit in,as a kid I always took it that the clone wars were something that happened fifty odd years before Luke and all that,thinking on it after I found Vader was his daddy it made no sense,I felt Vader was an old man in his sixties at least but yet....
About all I can think is the Jedi were in the last part of a long decline and no one really believed in them anymore when the clone wars took place and Palpy made it seem that all their ways were simple tricks,that one guy in the first film in '77 sure thought Vader was a joke.
Wolfsburg
Master Member
What does their age have to do with it? The obvious answer is Anakin could've simply been older when they were born. He could've easily become Vader while their mother was pregnant. I want to say that was the original idea but I don't recall for sure.
JLeezy23
Sr Member
I think the Empire forced everyone to "forget" the Jedi Order, and probably made crap up and said the Clone Wars were caused by them. I'd say people around the galaxy had heard about jedi, but hadn't encountered one, so they brushed off the stories. Or the Empire made severe consequences for anyone mentioning jedi, like PoTC did with people talking about pirates. The memory archives were destroyed in the temple, weren't they? Let's say they were on a Jedi server, the server went down, and if anyone were to make a search post-clone war, nothing pops up. How easily are things from late 70s early 80s forgotten today if they can't be found in a Google search?
jkno
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seelsa73
Sr Member
Ok, I'll give you that one. That makes sense.
I think this is the case of the controlling power writing the history books. I remember a time in the early eighties where the high school history books barely mentioned the Vietnam War, for example. The galaxy is so vast it wouldn't surprise me that, especially in the outskirts, people would never have encountered Jedi. Even the events of Ep 4-6 take place in a limited number of worlds. We, as the viewers, are witness to the force and Jedi activity but the rest of the galaxy might have only heard stories.
And, for the sake of storytelling, I really like the notion that Jedi have descended into lore. It reminds me of ANH when Obi-Wan first talks about the civilized age of the Jedi to Luke. It gives chills to my imagination. The prequels didn't need to show us that. TFA brought us back.
astroboy
Master Member
Rather than nazis, I always saw the empire as north Korea. An organization could easily turn the jedi into myth. Especially to a farm boy in the outer rim
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cboath
Master Member
There's that, but, in a galaxy as advanced as the SW galaxy, (hyperspace, death stars, etc), you'd think the written and video history would go back 1000's of years. Hell, granted it's not 'canon' but KOTOR is 3000 years before ANH. So, as a basis, they've got easily 3-5,000 years of written and video and holographic history. Given that, hard to believe anyone can vanish into legend in 55 years (ROTS to TFA).
Like all that Jedi knowledge and history archived at the temple library on Courscant?
harrisonp
Sr Member
If the Empire ushered in 20 years of "dark ages" where all the info was greatly restricted then it makes sense that the Jedi could end up myths. Add to that the smear campaign that the Emperor would undoubtedly have run against them making them look responsible for all kinds of nasty things and people who knew about Jedi wouldn't WANT to remember.
I've always viewed Star Wars as lacking a centralized media stream, legends pass by word of mouth, so if every random citizen can't just google it then that's all they have to go by.
I've always viewed Star Wars as lacking a centralized media stream, legends pass by word of mouth, so if every random citizen can't just google it then that's all they have to go by.
Jaitea
Master Member
Yep,....but remember before the Empire came to power the Star Wars galaxy had HUD technology,...LED displays etc,.....then by the time Luke, Han & Leia were on the Death Star the Empire had forced everyone to use CRT monitors
J
20 years or so is enough. Heck we have stupid people in the U.S. that don't know when the Vietnam war took place! If you watch the Prequels and factor in some of what is now Legends material, the Jedi became (or were seen as) a privileged group and were basically obnoxious to a lot of people. Yoda comments on this in AOTC (I think), but I forgot exactly how he says it. So basically it somewhat like how the Jews were treated in WW2. By the time the hammer started to fall a lot of problems were blamed on them so it was easy for most people to cheer their downfall. After that it's just a matter of the Empire gathering up or destroying Jedi temples, artifacts, etc. and then arresting anyone who talks about them. I think Admiral Motti was drinking the Imperial Koolaid in ANH... so he clearly didn't remember the Jedi or his family never encountered one. That's actually a good point, that if there were only 10,000 Jedi (according to Lucasfilm as of 1999), most people in the galaxy would never ever come into contact with one. It would all be movies, books, or stories about them. That Trade Federation guy in TPM didn't even know a Jedi's capabilities when he tried to kill Qui-Gon and Obi Wan.
cboath
Master Member
Good point, with the 10k left. A galaxy can have millions or billions of planets. With just 10K jedi, it's far less than a jedi per planet, so it's fair to say that the vast majority of the galaxy never saw one - ever. Unless you lived on Coruscant.
As for the destruction of the jedi temple, any IT tech can tell you, only an idiot doesn't keep offsite back up
As for the destruction of the jedi temple, any IT tech can tell you, only an idiot doesn't keep offsite back up
cayman shen
Master Member
My mom, who watches Fox and listens to conservative talk radio incessantly, and therefore ought to know, had no idea Trump had previously run for President. People's memories are short, and most people are dullards. I totally believe the Empire could suppress the memory of the Jedi among the majority of the populace.
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