Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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seelsa73
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Technically speaking, you did. Jango was the template, not Boba. Again, technically.
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Jango Fett was a bad*** up until the poorly written ending. You have a guy who supposedly fought and won against Jedi. Yet he's not smart enough to not fire a blaster at close range against Mace. Boba Fett is actually the loser. He has cool armor, and that's it. He caught Han, but didn't really do anything else.
Jango Fett was a bad*** up until the poorly written ending. You have a guy who supposedly fought and won against Jedi. Yet he's not smart enough to not fire a blaster at close range against Mace. Boba Fett is actually the loser. He has cool armor, and that's it. He caught Han, but didn't really do anything else.
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Funny thing I have NO interest in JJ Wars with geezer Solo and Co. Just don't care, not my thing. Won't see.
However this film I have some hope for.
My only hope? LOL
Anyone else similar?
Funny thing I have NO interest in JJ Wars with geezer Solo and Co. Just don't care, not my thing. Won't see.
However this film I have some hope for.
My only hope? LOL
Anyone else similar?
astroboy
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But you know what? The thought of mark hamill become a known celebrity again really gets me going. That one shot he tweeted of him in a beard and I was sold.
A lot has happened since the disappointment of the phantom menace. The clone wars put me at ease with this expanding galaxy. Now I want to see old Luke. I would kill to see old ashoka. I want to see a hermit Ewan McGregor, living on tatooine return to mandalore to take on deathwatch.
And I REALLY want to see where REBELS is going.
You know what's funny? During the height of Galactica's popularity, I remember telling my wife that I was done with star wars. I couldn't have been more wrong
I never thought that I wanted to see a geezer solo. IMHO, those characters finished their story after Jedi.
But you know what? The thought of mark hamill become a known celebrity again really gets me going. That one shot he tweeted of him in a beard and I was sold.
A lot has happened since the disappointment of the phantom menace. The clone wars put me at ease with this expanding galaxy. Now I want to see old Luke. I would kill to see old ashoka. I want to see a hermit Ewan McGregor, living on tatooine return to mandalore to take on deathwatch.
And I REALLY want to see where REBELS is going.
You know what's funny? During the height of Galactica's popularity, I remember telling my wife that I was done with star wars. I couldn't have been more wrong
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Well I do hope Hamill gets a big check for JJ Wars so agreed there.
JJ Wars does not work for me for a multitude of reasons I won't bore people with.
This film however, because it is the opening crawl for Star Wars of course, does
sound like something I can be on board with greatly. I just hope it remembers to stay fun and not
too uber war violence realistic.
Well I do hope Hamill gets a big check for JJ Wars so agreed there.
JJ Wars does not work for me for a multitude of reasons I won't bore people with.
This film however, because it is the opening crawl for Star Wars of course, does
sound like something I can be on board with greatly. I just hope it remembers to stay fun and not
too uber war violence realistic.
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Since that's your plan you shoul go to the Spoiler thread and read the story synopsis. Perhaps it will reaffirm your current misgivings or maybe change your mind.
Since that's your plan you shoul go to the Spoiler thread and read the story synopsis. Perhaps it will reaffirm your current misgivings or maybe change your mind.
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Back to the question of bounty hunters... Remember the EU is gone, so everything we used to know about the battl ein question and its proximity to the opening of ANH is up for grabs. What if... *thinks*
Say the opening crawl is referring to a battle that happened a few days ago. Sometime after the battle, the Empire found out what had been yoinked. The current Marvel comics show Vader hiring bounty hunters to find out who had destroyed the Death Star. He was on the outs with the Emperor at the time for his failure, and had to rely on other means in his return to grace. That sets up his using bounty hunters in ESB -- the relationship/lines of contact would already be there, and other Imperial agents wouldn't have lowered themselves. We may find that relationship goes even further back. Possibly to this film, possibly even further. But if Vader brings in bounty hunters to find what Imperial agents cannot, and they lead him, ultimately, to the Tantive IV and the pursuit we see at the beginning of ANH...
--Jonah
Back to the question of bounty hunters... Remember the EU is gone, so everything we used to know about the battl ein question and its proximity to the opening of ANH is up for grabs. What if... *thinks*
Say the opening crawl is referring to a battle that happened a few days ago. Sometime after the battle, the Empire found out what had been yoinked. The current Marvel comics show Vader hiring bounty hunters to find out who had destroyed the Death Star. He was on the outs with the Emperor at the time for his failure, and had to rely on other means in his return to grace. That sets up his using bounty hunters in ESB -- the relationship/lines of contact would already be there, and other Imperial agents wouldn't have lowered themselves. We may find that relationship goes even further back. Possibly to this film, possibly even further. But if Vader brings in bounty hunters to find what Imperial agents cannot, and they lead him, ultimately, to the Tantive IV and the pursuit we see at the beginning of ANH...
--Jonah
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Well the Empire must have spent all their money on the Death Star. Banks probably don't want to bankroll another project after they wasted all that money. So they have to hire outside the govt.
Well the Empire must have spent all their money on the Death Star. Banks probably don't want to bankroll another project after they wasted all that money. So they have to hire outside the govt.
Wolfsburg
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Haha! Well, my problem has less to do with the Empire using outside contractors and more to do with the fact they are using the ESB bounty hunters to chase down DS plans and later investigate who destroyed the DS. Introduce new characters to do that kind of spy/detective work. I want to see bounty hunters...hunting bounties. That's what they do. Lol! It just seems like the new canon is trying a little too hard to shoehorn these guys in something, anything.
Haha! Well, my problem has less to do with the Empire using outside contractors and more to do with the fact they are using the ESB bounty hunters to chase down DS plans and later investigate who destroyed the DS. Introduce new characters to do that kind of spy/detective work. I want to see bounty hunters...hunting bounties. That's what they do. Lol! It just seems like the new canon is trying a little too hard to shoehorn these guys in something, anything.
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I feel it's... *thinks* Okay, look at it this way. The Empire has a galaxy to conquer and control. They're generally ill-equipped to handle this sort of thing. But there are people who spend their entire careers honing the skills to find people who don't want to be found. The general Imperial approach has tended to be to whack the galaxy with sticks in hopes of flushing out their quarry. Which takes time, isn't very efficient, and doesn't always yield results. Vader, however, is the pragmatist who calls in the experts the Imperial military is too snobbish to lower themselves to consorting with.
And Imperial Intelligence, the ISB, the commandos... They've been okay up to this point, but this battle is something new. It takes them a few years to adjust.
Oh, and bounty hunters are totally mercenaries. Real world and fictional.
--Jonah
I feel it's... *thinks* Okay, look at it this way. The Empire has a galaxy to conquer and control. They're generally ill-equipped to handle this sort of thing. But there are people who spend their entire careers honing the skills to find people who don't want to be found. The general Imperial approach has tended to be to whack the galaxy with sticks in hopes of flushing out their quarry. Which takes time, isn't very efficient, and doesn't always yield results. Vader, however, is the pragmatist who calls in the experts the Imperial military is too snobbish to lower themselves to consorting with.
And Imperial Intelligence, the ISB, the commandos... They've been okay up to this point, but this battle is something new. It takes them a few years to adjust.
Oh, and bounty hunters are totally mercenaries. Real world and fictional.
--Jonah
Riceball
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How would it be different for the various Imperial intelligence agencies? They're used to hunting down Rebel cells and rogue Jedi, and other potential threats to the Empire, how is tracking down who leaked or stole the Death Star plans any different from what they normally do? It's the same kind of intelligence work that they would normally do every day, the only reason that I can see for the bounty hunters to be involved would be either the Imperial intelligence agencies are all too busy to do the job or they're not doing the job well enough so bounty hunters are hired in their place. I'd see the former as the most logical scenario, at least based on real life where the US has contracted certain jobs out to private contractors because we don't have the personnel and/or because it's cheaper. However, I'd find it difficult to believe that anybody would contract out delicate intelligence work to outside contractors, not unless these bounty hunters are known for their discretion and are specialists in intelligence work in addition to tracking down criminals. You'd think that something like the theft of the Death Star plans is something that the Empire would want to keep really quiet about with the absolute minimum number of people in the loop as possible.
How would it be different for the various Imperial intelligence agencies? They're used to hunting down Rebel cells and rogue Jedi, and other potential threats to the Empire, how is tracking down who leaked or stole the Death Star plans any different from what they normally do? It's the same kind of intelligence work that they would normally do every day, the only reason that I can see for the bounty hunters to be involved would be either the Imperial intelligence agencies are all too busy to do the job or they're not doing the job well enough so bounty hunters are hired in their place. I'd see the former as the most logical scenario, at least based on real life where the US has contracted certain jobs out to private contractors because we don't have the personnel and/or because it's cheaper. However, I'd find it difficult to believe that anybody would contract out delicate intelligence work to outside contractors, not unless these bounty hunters are known for their discretion and are specialists in intelligence work in addition to tracking down criminals. You'd think that something like the theft of the Death Star plans is something that the Empire would want to keep really quiet about with the absolute minimum number of people in the loop as possible.
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That's what I mean by "this is something new". As Rebels shows us, only in the last five years have these insurgents become a real threat -- but even there only localized and uncoordinated. Somewhere between season two of Rebels and Rogue One, the Alliance finally coalesces, finds the oomph to strike directly, and wins. Most intel agencies adjust to a change or escalation in their adversaries' tactics... um... imperfectly, at best. To put it diplomatically. To put it less than diplomatically, as I was looking for words there, my brain helpfully gave me a sped-up montage set to "Yakety Sax".
The ISB is mainly tasked with adoption of the New Order -- loyalty in the ranks of the military, acceptance and obedience on the streets (I need to get season one on DVD -- I believe I remember hearing mention of COMPNOR in at least one episode...). Kallus thought he was just putting down some civilian grumblings on Lothal, and was unprepared to be going up against a full-on terrorist cell. One can see how this is becoming his personal crusade.
Imperial Intelligence is something we haven't heard about at all in the new canon, but I presume what's going on here is something a bit like the cross-purposes and lack of information-sharing as what happened in the US leading up to 9/11. ISB is focusing on disloyal individuals, Eyes is hunting a phantasmal galaxy-spanning network. SpecOps goes where they say and does what they're told, but it's not necessarily the right thing in the right place at the right time, due to failure on the intel end.
Vader is establishing a track record, in ESB and in the comics, of hiring bounty hunters when time is of the essence and he doesn't want to (or can't) go through official channels. Probably in part to save face. All he has to say is the ship or person they're tracking. They won't care why as long as there's a pile of credits waiting at the other end.
--Jonah
That's what I mean by "this is something new". As Rebels shows us, only in the last five years have these insurgents become a real threat -- but even there only localized and uncoordinated. Somewhere between season two of Rebels and Rogue One, the Alliance finally coalesces, finds the oomph to strike directly, and wins. Most intel agencies adjust to a change or escalation in their adversaries' tactics... um... imperfectly, at best. To put it diplomatically. To put it less than diplomatically, as I was looking for words there, my brain helpfully gave me a sped-up montage set to "Yakety Sax".
The ISB is mainly tasked with adoption of the New Order -- loyalty in the ranks of the military, acceptance and obedience on the streets (I need to get season one on DVD -- I believe I remember hearing mention of COMPNOR in at least one episode...). Kallus thought he was just putting down some civilian grumblings on Lothal, and was unprepared to be going up against a full-on terrorist cell. One can see how this is becoming his personal crusade.
Imperial Intelligence is something we haven't heard about at all in the new canon, but I presume what's going on here is something a bit like the cross-purposes and lack of information-sharing as what happened in the US leading up to 9/11. ISB is focusing on disloyal individuals, Eyes is hunting a phantasmal galaxy-spanning network. SpecOps goes where they say and does what they're told, but it's not necessarily the right thing in the right place at the right time, due to failure on the intel end.
Vader is establishing a track record, in ESB and in the comics, of hiring bounty hunters when time is of the essence and he doesn't want to (or can't) go through official channels. Probably in part to save face. All he has to say is the ship or person they're tracking. They won't care why as long as there's a pile of credits waiting at the other end.
--Jonah
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Not to mention that bounty hunters might be able to access areas that the Empire can't. Stormtroopers or even ISB (are they canon anymore?) kind of stick out and people don't want to talk to them.
Not to mention that bounty hunters might be able to access areas that the Empire can't. Stormtroopers or even ISB (are they canon anymore?) kind of stick out and people don't want to talk to them.
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Kallus is specifically mentioned as being ISB in Rebels.
--Jonah
Kallus is specifically mentioned as being ISB in Rebels.
--Jonah
cayman shen
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Yeah, that's bugged me for years. It's not as egregious as the way GL used to just make any old schmo a friggin GENERAL but it's still annoying how the idea of a "bounty hunter" evolved after the OT. Looks like the trend will continue.
Yeah, that's bugged me for years. It's not as egregious as the way GL used to just make any old schmo a friggin GENERAL but it's still annoying how the idea of a "bounty hunter" evolved after the OT. Looks like the trend will continue.
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