Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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Much as I generally adore Brian Daley, he's partly responsible for the confusion, with him introducing "Renegade Flight" in the ESB radio drama, who were destroyed by an Imperial ambush during the evac from their prior base. "Flight" tends to just be a ad-hoc element of indeterminate size tasked to a particular mission. But not everyone is up on military parlance (and George is at the head of that line), so we now had a named unit linked with X-Wings in our heads, and that propagated to Tim Zahn, who first gave us Rogue Squadron in Heir to the Empire.
My original assertion pre-Star Wars Renaissance was that Rogue Group was exactly what was said above -- a ground-effect unit comprised of members of many units, and Luke was in charge because he had many more years doing insane things with an airspeeder than behind the controls of an X-Wing. I only revised it later due to the ever-increasing material on the exploits of Rogue Squadron in the EU. One thing I was hoping was that the Great EU Reboot™ would see it at least changed to Rogue Group going forward, with Gold, Red, and Blue Squadrons within it. I wish I'd gotten a chance to tell Aaron Allston before he died that he was right on track with the mixed unit he put together in his Wraith Squadron books, since the Red Group we were shown in ROTJ consisted of everything but B-Wings.
--Jonah
Much as I generally adore Brian Daley, he's partly responsible for the confusion, with him introducing "Renegade Flight" in the ESB radio drama, who were destroyed by an Imperial ambush during the evac from their prior base. "Flight" tends to just be a ad-hoc element of indeterminate size tasked to a particular mission. But not everyone is up on military parlance (and George is at the head of that line), so we now had a named unit linked with X-Wings in our heads, and that propagated to Tim Zahn, who first gave us Rogue Squadron in Heir to the Empire.
My original assertion pre-Star Wars Renaissance was that Rogue Group was exactly what was said above -- a ground-effect unit comprised of members of many units, and Luke was in charge because he had many more years doing insane things with an airspeeder than behind the controls of an X-Wing. I only revised it later due to the ever-increasing material on the exploits of Rogue Squadron in the EU. One thing I was hoping was that the Great EU Reboot™ would see it at least changed to Rogue Group going forward, with Gold, Red, and Blue Squadrons within it. I wish I'd gotten a chance to tell Aaron Allston before he died that he was right on track with the mixed unit he put together in his Wraith Squadron books, since the Red Group we were shown in ROTJ consisted of everything but B-Wings.
--Jonah
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I think it's more that the craft is being addressed, regardless of who's in the pilot seat.
All of this. Watch the battle in ANH again. They call in their craft numbers and for almost the entirety of the battle, that's what's used in the radio chatter: "Cut the chatter, Red Two." "Red Three, can you see Red Five?" And so forth. WWII aircraft had their radio callsigns painted on them, and were typically squadron and unit. My granddad, for instance, was a B-17 pilot in the 510th Bomb Squadron (351st Bombardment Group, 8th Air Force). The squadron callsigh was "TU", and the plane he flew most of his missions in was "TU-N". Since -- then and now -- a given aircraft is typically flown by more than one person/crew (regardless of who it might be assigned to), you're talking to the craft, and the pilot is generally irrelevant unless tasked with a particular mission or position (my granddad was a formation leader for most of his tour, for instance).
I think it's more that the craft is being addressed, regardless of who's in the pilot seat.
All of this. Watch the battle in ANH again. They call in their craft numbers and for almost the entirety of the battle, that's what's used in the radio chatter: "Cut the chatter, Red Two." "Red Three, can you see Red Five?" And so forth. WWII aircraft had their radio callsigns painted on them, and were typically squadron and unit. My granddad, for instance, was a B-17 pilot in the 510th Bomb Squadron (351st Bombardment Group, 8th Air Force). The squadron callsigh was "TU", and the plane he flew most of his missions in was "TU-N". Since -- then and now -- a given aircraft is typically flown by more than one person/crew (regardless of who it might be assigned to), you're talking to the craft, and the pilot is generally irrelevant unless tasked with a particular mission or position (my granddad was a formation leader for most of his tour, for instance).
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Except in the Special Editions where Lucas thought it would be better if Luke was Red 2.
Except in the Special Editions where Lucas thought it would be better if Luke was Red 2.
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I just assumed that as of ROTJ, Luke is not longer a member of the Alliance military. He's a Jedi. He just keeps flying Red 5 because he blew up a freaking Death Star in it so he has that right! :lol
I just assumed that as of ROTJ, Luke is not longer a member of the Alliance military. He's a Jedi. He just keeps flying Red 5 because he blew up a freaking Death Star in it so he has that right! :lol
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Good point, he keeps the ship but who knows what his post ANH call sign is.
Good point, he keeps the ship but who knows what his post ANH call sign is.
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Just before Luke hears ben tell him "Luke, trust your feelings!", the new SE shot of Luke's X-Wing is missing three bars. Apparently they were planning on giving Wedge a lot more to do, scrapped it and simply used his X-Wing model for every other SE X-Wing shot without changing anything.
*taps pencil on the desk*
...Adywan fixed it.
Just before Luke hears ben tell him "Luke, trust your feelings!", the new SE shot of Luke's X-Wing is missing three bars. Apparently they were planning on giving Wedge a lot more to do, scrapped it and simply used his X-Wing model for every other SE X-Wing shot without changing anything.
*taps pencil on the desk*
...Adywan fixed it.
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I just assume when flying the X-wing he is Red 5 since the X-wing has the 5 stripe markings. Each X-wing in a new hope had the corresponding stripes for the Red "X' designation. Red Leader had 1 stripe, Red 2 had two stripes etc...
of course they messed up continuity in some shots by showing a different X-wing model in place of the one that was intended, sometimes even having things like 2 Red 5's n the same shot. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/12Rogues/media/stuff/PDVD_465.jpg.html
When flying the snowspeeder he is rouge leader and as the leader, his snowspeeder has the grey markings instead of the orange
If he had ever flown a Y-wing it probably would have been Gold something or other
So yeah, I don't think Luke is Red 5 when he is not flying the X-wing with 5 stripes
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In fact I think Wedge went from being Red 2 in a new hope to being Red Leader in return of the Jedi
I just assume when flying the X-wing he is Red 5 since the X-wing has the 5 stripe markings. Each X-wing in a new hope had the corresponding stripes for the Red "X' designation. Red Leader had 1 stripe, Red 2 had two stripes etc...
of course they messed up continuity in some shots by showing a different X-wing model in place of the one that was intended, sometimes even having things like 2 Red 5's n the same shot. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/12Rogues/media/stuff/PDVD_465.jpg.html
The Special Editions messed things up even further substituting a digital version of Red 2 in many shots over the original model used
When flying the snowspeeder he is rouge leader and as the leader, his snowspeeder has the grey markings instead of the orange
If he had ever flown a Y-wing it probably would have been Gold something or other
So yeah, I don't think Luke is Red 5 when he is not flying the X-wing with 5 stripes
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In fact I think Wedge went from being Red 2 in a new hope to being Red Leader in return of the Jedi
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astroboy
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Has the wookiepedia canon been mentioned yet? It claims that red 5 is the call sign for the fifth member of red squadron.
Luke was red 5 in the battle of yavib but another guy was red 5 in the battle of endor
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Has the wookiepedia canon been mentioned yet? It claims that red 5 is the call sign for the fifth member of red squadron.
Luke was red 5 in the battle of yavib but another guy was red 5 in the battle of endor
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Riceball
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It would stand to reason that as Luke moved up in the ranks of the Rebel Alliance so would his standing in Red Squadron and considering that Red squadron was all but wiped out at Yavin he would naturally no longer be Red 5 which, I always assumed, was the call sign for the junior most member of the squadron. Wedge, being the senior most survivor of Red Squadron gets promoted to Red 1 or Red Leader and Luke, being the only other survivor, would be promoted to Red 2, presumably Wedge's XO. Of course, this logic ignores the fact that on Hoth Luke is Rogue Leader with Wedge, presumably, underneath him. So if Wedge was indeed promoted to Red Leader it would be very unusual for him to be part of Rogue Group and under the command of his Red Squadron subordinate, Luke.
It would stand to reason that as Luke moved up in the ranks of the Rebel Alliance so would his standing in Red Squadron and considering that Red squadron was all but wiped out at Yavin he would naturally no longer be Red 5 which, I always assumed, was the call sign for the junior most member of the squadron. Wedge, being the senior most survivor of Red Squadron gets promoted to Red 1 or Red Leader and Luke, being the only other survivor, would be promoted to Red 2, presumably Wedge's XO. Of course, this logic ignores the fact that on Hoth Luke is Rogue Leader with Wedge, presumably, underneath him. So if Wedge was indeed promoted to Red Leader it would be very unusual for him to be part of Rogue Group and under the command of his Red Squadron subordinate, Luke.
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Good old spelling errors can sure change the definition of a word
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Good old spelling errors can sure change the definition of a word
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Axlotl
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In the real world - WWII, anyways - single fighter squadrons used multiple call signs to differentiate between different elements and their missions.
The lead element would be White, for example, with the squadron leader's call sign being White 1.
Top cover might be call sign Blue, low element call sign Green, left flank call sign Red, etc.
So it would be possible for elements of Rogue squadron to use the call sign Red... but there would be other elements using other call signs, as well.
I don't think GL understood this when he wrote the Death Star battle.
In the real world - WWII, anyways - single fighter squadrons used multiple call signs to differentiate between different elements and their missions.
The lead element would be White, for example, with the squadron leader's call sign being White 1.
Top cover might be call sign Blue, low element call sign Green, left flank call sign Red, etc.
So it would be possible for elements of Rogue squadron to use the call sign Red... but there would be other elements using other call signs, as well.
I don't think GL understood this when he wrote the Death Star battle.
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Axlotl
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The radio call signs painted on WWII warbirds were for traffic control and inventory purposes. If Bob Jones was assigned FN-B, and FN-B didn't return, they knew Bob Jones was MIA. In the air, Bob Jones' call sign would depend on his mission and what element of the squadron he was flying in. He might be top cover lead, call sign Blue 1, on one day, and tail-end Charlie, call sign Brown 4, the next. I don't know how they do it in modern times, but that was how it worked in the USAAF in WWII.
I think George was just tossing around cool words without any thought to what they actually meant.
The radio call signs painted on WWII warbirds were for traffic control and inventory purposes. If Bob Jones was assigned FN-B, and FN-B didn't return, they knew Bob Jones was MIA. In the air, Bob Jones' call sign would depend on his mission and what element of the squadron he was flying in. He might be top cover lead, call sign Blue 1, on one day, and tail-end Charlie, call sign Brown 4, the next. I don't know how they do it in modern times, but that was how it worked in the USAAF in WWII.
I think George was just tossing around cool words without any thought to what they actually meant.
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Axlotl, thanks for clarifying that for me. I had a hazy understanding of it at best.
Try not to say "Wookieepedia" and "canon" in the same sentence. Remember it's user-edited, and still has a lot of no-longer-relevant EU content padding things out. The only Red Group pilots given callsigns in dialog in ROTJ were Leader, Two, and Three. The script isn't much help (Gray Leader and Green Leader are both called out as being in X-Wing cockpits when they call in, Red Two and Red Three in the script have lines delivered by A-Wing pilots, and -- what's more -- the actor we see as Gray Leader earlier is addressed as Red Two by Wedge later... It's a mess). All the rest are conjecture from various EU sources.
Except that, during the call-in sequence, we heard from all the way up to Red Eleven. We saw Red Leader, Wedge, Biggs, and John D in the first four ships, and Porkins and unnamed Reds Ten and Twelve (plus hearing from Reds Nine and Eleven over the radio) on up the other side of Luke. From the novel and radio drama, I mentally filled in that -- with Biggs' endorsement -- his simulator scores were sufficient to let him fill the vacancy in Red Squadron.
Pretty much my thinking, too. I was only six when ESB came out, but from reading and re-reading the storybook and watching the laserdisc and looking at the still photos that were around, I noticed even then that Luke's X-WIng all through ESB still had the five stripes on the wings. And then again in ROTJ, while Wedge was now Red Leader. So by 1984 I had come to the conclusion that Wedge had gotten promoted, as seniormost, and Luke stayed at Red Five as the Squadron was rebuilt, and they just didn't have a Red Five at Endor (despite what EU sources from later on say). And that if Wedge was bumped down a number to Rogue Three, while Luke was Rogue Leader, then it had to be some other formation than the fighter squadron we'd seen in the previous film.
--Jonah
Axlotl, thanks for clarifying that for me.
I had a hazy understanding of it at best.Try not to say "Wookieepedia" and "canon" in the same sentence.
Remember it's user-edited, and still has a lot of no-longer-relevant EU content padding things out. The only Red Group pilots given callsigns in dialog in ROTJ were Leader, Two, and Three. The script isn't much help (Gray Leader and Green Leader are both called out as being in X-Wing cockpits when they call in, Red Two and Red Three in the script have lines delivered by A-Wing pilots, and -- what's more -- the actor we see as Gray Leader earlier is addressed as Red Two by Wedge later... It's a mess). All the rest are conjecture from various EU sources.Except that, during the call-in sequence, we heard from all the way up to Red Eleven. We saw Red Leader, Wedge, Biggs, and John D in the first four ships, and Porkins and unnamed Reds Ten and Twelve (plus hearing from Reds Nine and Eleven over the radio) on up the other side of Luke. From the novel and radio drama, I mentally filled in that -- with Biggs' endorsement -- his simulator scores were sufficient to let him fill the vacancy in Red Squadron.
Pretty much my thinking, too. I was only six when ESB came out, but from reading and re-reading the storybook and watching the laserdisc and looking at the still photos that were around, I noticed even then that Luke's X-WIng all through ESB still had the five stripes on the wings. And then again in ROTJ, while Wedge was now Red Leader. So by 1984 I had come to the conclusion that Wedge had gotten promoted, as seniormost, and Luke stayed at Red Five as the Squadron was rebuilt, and they just didn't have a Red Five at Endor (despite what EU sources from later on say). And that if Wedge was bumped down a number to Rogue Three, while Luke was Rogue Leader, then it had to be some other formation than the fighter squadron we'd seen in the previous film.
--Jonah
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Probably not an unreasonable assumption...
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/ne...et-to-appear-in-star-wars-anthology-rogue-one
Probably not an unreasonable assumption...
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/ne...et-to-appear-in-star-wars-anthology-rogue-one
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To be fair, they have separated "canon" from "non-canon" at wookiepedia
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@Axlotl, thanks for clarifying that for me.
Try not to say "Wookieepedia" and "canon" in the same sentence. [emoji14]
--Jonah
To be fair, they have separated "canon" from "non-canon" at wookiepedia
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JD
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Possible Rouge One plot details...
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3...-anthology-rogue-one-plot-revealed-exclusive/
Possible Rouge One plot details...
Ben Mendelsohn’s new Moff character is indeed the big baddie of Rogue One. The other main villains of the piece are bounty hunters hired by the Moff to quietly retrieve the stolen Death Star plans at all costs. Vader factors in once he realizes that the plans have been stolen, so he joins the hunt in a supporting role and is none too pleased.
These bounty hunters include Boba Fett, Bossk, Dengar, Zuckuss & 4LOM, IG-88, and Cad Bane, who is from ‘Clone Wars’ and is making his live action debut.
There might some new ones as well, but that’s the core group. So Fett will absolutely appear on screen again in a semi-main role before his solo film.
These bounty hunters include Boba Fett, Bossk, Dengar, Zuckuss & 4LOM, IG-88, and Cad Bane, who is from ‘Clone Wars’ and is making his live action debut.
There might some new ones as well, but that’s the core group. So Fett will absolutely appear on screen again in a semi-main role before his solo film.
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3...-anthology-rogue-one-plot-revealed-exclusive/
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