Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

Big difference. Fett was introduced in the special, not concieved there. He was already a character in ESB. Same with Greivous. He was already cast, or whatever you wanna call it, in ROTS and they used it for backstory.

This constitutes the first character to jump from a cartoon - who was conceived only for the cartoon itself - to jump to a film.

Not sure that's true? I'm pretty sure the Christmas special came out before TESB was conceived?
 
I'm not worried about Vader having a smaller role. As much as I love Jedi and Sith, I want them to keep this a movie about regular troops making an impact. That's why a lot of people liked Wedge in the OT. Luke is a great pilot, but he has the Force. Wedge does that and more without it because he's just a great pilot.
 
It's not damage control, the truth about the reshoots. I think we can call the concerns over drastic alterations to the tone of the film and massive reshoots debunked at this point.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/23/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoot-concerns
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While I'll agree that most of that article is true (at least "from a certain point of view") - it is still very much damage control and nothing has been debunked. We're getting the studio line. One way or another, they're protecting their product and these statements are on the record and made by people working for LFL that have the eye of the studio on them.
 
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While I'll agree that most of that article is true (at least "from a certain point of view") - it is still very much damage control and nothing has been debunked. We're getting the studio line. One way or another, they're protecting their product and these statements are on the record and made by people working for LFL that have the eye of the studio on them.

Trippling down on a bad call is never a good idea. ;). It's likely we will at some point get more color from some of the "rumor and spoiler" sites that have proven to have some degree of inside insight. But the lack of veracity of the initial report makes it seem far less credible at this time.
 
Trippling down on a bad call is never a good idea. ;). It's likely we will at some point get more color from some of the "rumor and spoiler" sites that have proven to have some degree of inside insight. But the lack of veracity of the initial report makes it seem far less credible at this time.
Again... you just don't get it.

It's baffling how one second the "rumor and spoiler" sites are your bread and butter - how you name drop certain site admins and how you asked them about this or that or whatever. But, when it comes down to buying the "company line" and "damage control," it's a different story. That's wishy-washy.

Again, I believe that reshoots are part of the process. There's little doubt to me that they were planned all along. I do think there's a middle line somewhere between the rumors and what EW (who wants that Star Wars cover and other exclusives) is telling us. I also don't know if we'll ever get the real story - we'll get bits and pieces here and there that we'll just have to try and figure out for ourselves.

To say that EW or that official statements have debunked, or that it's not damage control is nonsense. If you want to believe that, that's great - but, that doesn't make it fact.
 
Again... you just don't get it.

It's baffling how one second the "rumor and spoiler" sites are your bread and butter - how you name drop certain site admins and how you asked them about this or that or whatever. But, when it comes down to buying the "company line" and "damage control," it's a different story. That's wishy-washy.

Again, I believe that reshoots are part of the process. There's little doubt to me that they were planned all along. I do think there's a middle line somewhere between the rumors and what EW (who wants that Star Wars cover and other exclusives) is telling us. I also don't know if we'll ever get the real story - we'll get bits and pieces here and there that we'll just have to try and figure out for ourselves.

To say that EW or that official statements have debunked, or that it's not damage control is nonsense. If you want to believe that, that's great - but, that doesn't make it fact.

Maybe if you weren't so snarky responding to me we could have a more reasonable discussion, but here we are. Fact, the initial report did not originate from a rumor site I have ever linked to. Fact, the initial report made several claims that were factually incorrect. I believe you have said the only FACTS we ever know are when they are officially released by the production company. But now you are equivocating that position and discount the official release for a poorly vetted rumor.

This is a statement of fact by KK: "“There’s nothing about the story that’s changing, with a few things that we’re picking up in additional photography,” she said. “I think that’s the most important thing, to reassure fans that it’s the movie we intended to make.”
 
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Maybe if you weren't so snarky responding to me we could have a more reasonable discussion, but here we are. Fact, the initial report did not originate from a rumor site I have ever linked to. Fact, the initial report made several claims that were factually incorrect. I believe you have said the only FACTS we ever know are when they are officially released by the production company. But now you are equivocating that position and discount the official release for a poorly vetted rumor.
...and maybe if you weren't so arrogant we wouldn't be having this conversation. ...if you weren't so fast to say issues are "debunked" or gloss over certain bits. Yes, we know you're a stockholder and that it's in your best interest for everything to seem great.

My position about rumor sites has not changed. I may be wrong, but I've never unequivocally stated that any rumor was absolute truth (either about production or story/casting). If you read my post(s) I give credence to the rumor sites along with the official info (which sure feels like its been spoon fed to us). While I do think much of it is damage control, I don't doubt that (much of) what they're telling us is true - but, I also don't think that the rumors don't have real, valid substance as well.

There's a huge difference between casting and story info coming from an official source and what sure seems like damage control. Is a studio really going to come out and tell us that thing's are a mess..? (But, hey - they're also not going to tell is Vader is Luke's Dad in June of 1979, either). I feel the best response from LFL and filmmakers would've been to not acknowledge the rumors at all - them going out of the way to discuss and dismiss them, like they have, just seems forced to me.

Poorly vetted rumor? That's not true at all.
 
I really hope this film starts with a crawl. star wars is just as much of a genre as it is anything else. If they depart too much on tone for this I will be pretty bummed. I don't wanna see some gritty NU-galactica styled star wars film. If D.C. has taught us anything it's that you have to tread VERY lightly when it comes to darkness in blockbusters

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What I am most surprised about is that "rumor" that they are still debating if the film will start with a crawl.

That conversation was a while back. They DEF have to stay with a crawl but maybe straight up and down in paragraph form? Just enough of a separation from the "Trilogy" movies but still keeps the familiar SW look and feel? :)
 
I don't want a crawl for the the 'A Star Wars Story' films. At least not the same style crawl we get the Star Wars Saga films... there needs to be some sort of introductory verbiage, but I'm hoping for something distinct and different from what we're accustomed to seeing.

I think Rogue One needs something along the lines of a crawl - I'm not sure the Han Solo movie will. While, like the saga films, we know the story that sets up RO - it sure seems like it needs something to intro it. The Clone Wars movie didn't have a crawl - but did have a series of small scenes to intro it, ala WWII Newsreels -- which certainly seems to fit the rumors about the movie.

Kathleen Kennedy on it: "The crawl and some of those elements live so specifically within the ‘saga’ films that we are having a lot of discussion about what will define the [stand-alone] Star Wars stories separate and apart from the saga films. So we’re right in the middle of talking about that.”
 
I wouldn't be disappointed or anything if they have a crawl, but I'd rather it doesn't. In fact, and I know this sounds crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing a cold open- drop you right into combat for a beat, moment of respite, title sequence, and into protagonist introduction scene.

We all know we are getting a Star Wars movie unlike anything we've seen before. We all have varying degrees of how different we want it to be. I say, let it be it's own creature and see how it turns out. If Disney is feeling brave, they should really see how far they can go in tone while still feeling like a Star Wars movie. It's the first one of it's kind so why not really test the waters? If it does not meet their expectations then they can change the feel of the following Star Wars Story movies, but on this one I think they should really think outside the box... and all of the rumors would suggest that they have.
 
Something with a view perhaps? :D

#spooning

Too far? ;)

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I don't want a crawl for the the 'A Star Wars Story' films. At least not the same style crawl we get the Star Wars Saga films... there needs to be some sort of introductory verbiage, but I'm hoping for something distinct and different from what we're accustomed to seeing.

I think Rogue One needs something along the lines of a crawl - I'm not sure the Han Solo movie will. While, like the saga films, we know the story that sets up RO - it sure seems like it needs something to intro it. The Clone Wars movie didn't have a crawl - but did have a series of small scenes to intro it, ala WWII Newsreels -- which certainly seems to fit the rumors about the movie.

Kathleen Kennedy on it: "The crawl and some of those elements live so specifically within the ‘saga’ films that we are having a lot of discussion about what will define the [stand-alone] Star Wars stories separate and apart from the saga films. So we’re right in the middle of talking about that.”

I agree 100% :)
 
I really hope this film starts with a crawl. star wars is just as much of a genre as it is anything else. If they depart too much on tone for this I will be pretty bummed. I don't wanna see some gritty NU-galactica styled star wars film. If D.C. has taught us anything it's that you have to tread VERY lightly when it comes to darkness in blockbusters

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I concur :D
A little something like this perhaps
 
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