Revell At-At WIP... finishing up!

[starks]

Sorry it took so long, been super busy with work, but here is pictures of the Bandai part

Let me know if you need different view or angles or if you want me to try getting a more in focus/better quality shot for any of them ( I just quickly set up, so no tripod and autofocus left some things a bit fuzzy)

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Theyre fantastic photos! I really appreciate you posting those. I was starting to work off of some renders but these help so much more.
Unfortunately all the photos taken of the studio models are not quite clear enough.

Cheers,
Josh

Edit to add, Hagoth:

AT-AT Kit List

I am in the process of identifying the kits used on the AT-AT and at the moment it is a very short list that includes the 20mm Flakvierling, Saturn V and Harrier parts. Can anyone help out with more kits? Thanks Also, is the list of kits and scans at studioscale.com a comprehensive list...

www.therpf.com

If you didn't come across it, quite a few kits listed here for parts.


And here's some good pictures and info on the Master Replicas walker which seems to be pretty on the money. Gives dimensions also.

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[Analyzer]

also note Bandai has two different barrel length options for the guns so you can have have a pose like one is firing and in recoil

 

[Hagoth]

Those links are great Josh. Chin and cheek guns are pretty well established as is the use of the Harrier engines and rear armor plates. I think it would be cool to make a visual map of the kit parts and where they go on the AT-AT.

 

[Hagoth]

also note Bandai has two different barrel length options for the guns so you can have have a pose like one is firing and in recoil

Are the shorter recoiled barrel lengths for just the chin guns or the cheek guns as well? I was not aware that the cheek guns had a recoil motion associated with them. Even if they don't it is actually a pretty cool idea I had not considered before.

 

[starks]

Those links are great Josh. Chin and cheek guns are pretty well established as is the use of the Harrier engines and rear armor plates. I think it would be cool to make a visual map of the kit parts and where they go on the AT-AT.

Yes. I found the pieces in the Flakvierling kit that make those angled rectangular pieces along the top of the body and the feet. Ill take some photos.

And as Analyzer posted for us and you mentioned Hagoth the Flakvierling armour plates on the back and guns for upper and lower cheek guns.

And yes airfix 1/24 harrier engines.

Lower guns weren't king tigers but from another tank kit at the time and suit with no modifications but the king tigers work with a modified end.

I also managed to read those circular attachments on the ankles are stuka rear gunner windows.

Unfortunately I just found page after page of people not wanting to share their information with others. Forgive me but I just don't understand it. Whatever I learn I have no issues sharing to help someone else, no Ego to get in the way. It's building a model ffs but people keep all this information in a proverbial ball and sit in the corner with it like Gollum with the one ring repeating 'my precious'.
Sorry that's my rant. I'm not looking to start an argument with anyone that disagrees with my feelings.
I'm going to share what I learn here as reference for others to obtain or atleast have clear reference of the part to make or design their own pieces. Like the side gun assembly. Everyone has been fantastic but a clear reference of what those parts were would have helped.
Anyone who wants to share you're more than welcome to do it here.

Are the shorter recoiled barrel lengths for just the chin guns or the cheek guns as well? I was not aware that the cheek guns had a recoil motion associated with them. Even if they don't it is actually a pretty cool idea I had not considered before.

I dont believe they move, just the lowers. The shapeways chin guns I bought allow the barrels to slide in and out as well.
Correct me if Im wrong but from what I noticed the entire gun should slide back and forth on a rail, not just the barrel.
Do we ever see the side guns operate as a weapon? Like blaster bolts coming from them?
Might be a fancy communication aerial haha.

Cheers,
Josh

 

[Hagoth]

Yes. I found the pieces in the Flakvierling kit that make those angled rectangular pieces along the top of the body and the feet. Ill take some photos.

And as Analyzer posted for us and you mentioned Hagoth the Flakvierling armour plates on the back and guns for upper and lower cheek guns.

And yes airfix 1/24 harrier engines.

Lower guns weren't king tigers but from another tank kit at the time and suit with no modifications but the king tigers work with a modified end.

I also managed to read those circular attachments on the ankles are stuka rear gunner windows.

Unfortunately I just found page after page of people not wanting to share their information with others. Forgive me but I just don't understand it. Whatever I learn I have no issues sharing to help someone else, no Ego to get in the way. It's building a model ffs but people keep all this information in a proverbial ball and sit in the corner with it like Gollum with the one ring repeating 'my precious'.
Sorry that's my rant. I'm not looking to start an argument with anyone that disagrees with my feelings.
I'm going to share what I learn here as reference for others to obtain or atleast have clear reference of the part to make or design their own pieces. Like the side gun assembly. Everyone has been fantastic but a clear reference of what those parts were would have helped.
Anyone who wants to share you're more than welcome to do it here.



I dont believe they move, just the lowers. The shapeways chin guns I bought allow the barrels to slide in and out as well.
Correct me if Im wrong but from what I noticed the entire gun should slide back and forth on a rail, not just the barrel.
Do we ever see the side guns operate as a weapon? Like blaster bolts coming from them?
Might be a fancy communication aerial haha.

Cheers,
Josh

Good "Gollum muttering my precious" description Starks. My turn on the box. I found much the same thing with page after page of "I know the answer but go figure it out for yourself from scratch since I'm not going to tell you what it is." Well, I think I'm going to break some kind of implied creed since I plan to share everything I find out, with anyone who wants to know, what I discover about the movement of the AT-AT and how to replicate it. Including kit parts references and where they went on the studio model. And to that end a big shout-out to AnamorphicWayne for sharing his part profiles with me as a template to create my 3D test objects. True, the end results are modified and in a totally different format then I received them in but the modifications made are just my research contribution to improve upon or match the work of those that came before. And thus I share as well so that others may do the same with my work. And the ability of everyone to produce stunning replicas with really cool features expands. So thank you all on this thread for sharing and the invitation Starks to share alike.

Stepping down from the rant box. I'm starting that parallel thread this weekend. Hope I didn't just jinx my intentions. But ah, Grandkids coming over is a worthwhile jinx.

As for the chin guns I was going through film footage to confirm the exact questions you raised and the chin barrels definitely do recoil while the top shroud part stays fixed. See time stamp 0:59 of the video linked below. And there are shots of four and five blaster bolts coming from the head (time stamp 0:47) with some definitely originating from the location of the cheek guns. See time stamp 0:28-0:30 coming from the right side of the head. As for being a communication aerial that may not be so far fetched if you think about it. A 28mm blaster bolt can communicate something quite clearly.

I also noticed that the shorter top "target designator" cheek gun part is just a chopped version of the longer one with more of the back end on it. That opened the question in my mind of is this a shorter blaster style gun in parallel to the longer one? Are the cheek guns really twin mounts of different types? I think I have seen illustrations designating them as some kind of sensor for the longer barreled cheek gun but given the pictures that Analyzer posted you can clearly see the parts that were duplicated from the donor kit. At time stamp 0:46-0:47 mentioned above it almost looks like two shots come from one cheek in rapid succession. Lot's of bolts being unleashed in that one second of film.

 

[starks]

Good "Gollum muttering my precious" description Starks. My turn on the box. I found much the same thing with page after page of "I know the answer but go figure it out for yourself from scratch since I'm not going to tell you what it is." Well, I think I'm going to break some kind of implied creed since I plan to share everything I find out, with anyone who wants to know, what I discover about the movement of the AT-AT and how to replicate it. Including kit parts references and where they went on the studio model. And to that end a big shout-out to AnamorphicWayne for sharing his part profiles with me as a template to create my 3D test objects. True, the end results are modified and in a totally different format then I received them in but the modifications made are just my research contribution to improve upon or match the work of those that came before. And thus I share as well so that others may do the same with my work. And the ability of everyone to produce stunning replicas with really cool features expands. So thank you all on this thread for sharing and the invitation Starks to share alike.

Stepping down from the rant box. I'm starting that parallel thread this weekend. Hope I didn't just jinx my intentions. But ah, Grandkids coming over is a worthwhile jinx.

As for the chin guns I was going through film footage to confirm the exact questions you raised and the chin barrels definitely do recoil while the top shroud part stays fixed. See time stamp 0:59 of the video linked below. And there are shots of four and five blaster bolts coming from the head (time stamp 0:47) with some definitely originating from the location of the cheek guns. See time stamp 0:28-0:30 coming from the right side of the head. As for being a communication aerial that may not be so far fetched if you think about it. A 28mm blaster bolt can communicate something quite clearly.

I also noticed that the shorter top "target designator" cheek gun part is just a chopped version of the longer one with more of the back end on it. That opened the question in my mind of is this a shorter blaster style gun in parallel to the longer one? Are the cheek guns really twin mounts of different types? I think I have seen illustrations designating them as some kind of sensor for the longer barreled cheek gun but given the pictures that Analyzer posted you can clearly see the parts that were duplicated from the donor kit. At time stamp 0:46-0:47 mentioned above it almost looks like two shots come from one cheek in rapid succession. Lot's of bolts being unleashed in that one second of film.

Nice catch on all the blasters being used and recoil of the barrels.

I definitely see the 4 shots coming from the cheek guns as you pointed out.

And all the references I have studied of the cheek guns definetely show a cut down Flakvierling barrel above the full length barrel, although the lower barrel is missing the rear 2/3 of the action so thats the longer back end your refering to, the full action.

As for the part the lower guns inserted in to, looking at analyzers pics seems like its some sort of joint perhaps? Looks almost like the joint pivot is the gun pivot to the head.

Have fun with the Grandkids!

Cheers,
Josh

 

[starks]

Absolutely crazy to think this thread on upgrading a few things has hit 12 pages. It's fantastic to see how many guys got involved.

As promised here is a pic of the kit pieces from the Flakvierling that I believe are used on the feet and top of the body sides

So moving forward. It has been a very challenging few days trying to create the cheek guns. Im happy enough with the results, a little rough around the edges but was no small task. I don't think I could have achieved this without the pics from Analyzer so thanks mate!
I started with the cylindrical exhaust from a 1/35 Tiger tank and trimmed into it the front angle. I then cut it in half and added some brass tube in between the 2 halves. I built the finned piece at the back from modelling clay and baked it. then I fitted the guns. The armour plates are the revell ones, trimmed out of their original fixture with new rear supports added and the frames.
Much like on the original Revell head I drilled and fitted a rod right through the head to support the cheek guns, it is fixed in place and the cheek guns slide over the rod and can be individually pivoted up and down.

And the result

I hope these look ok. They seem ok to my eyes here, the camera shows a lot I cant see however.
Cheers,
Josh

 

[edge10]

also note Bandai has two different barrel length options for the guns so you can have have a pose like one is firing and in recoil

Which guns are you talking about?

I know they have 2 sets of 'ear' guns, one is a 2 piece with slightly better detail and the other a solid casting. I just checked, they are the same length. I need to replace one of the 2 piece ones, as the barrel bent in a fall.

The main guns move, to show recoil.

 

[Hagoth]

Absolutely crazy to think this thread on upgrading a few things has hit 12 pages. It's fantastic to see how many guys got involved.

As promised here is a pic of the kit pieces from the Flakvierling that I believe are used on the feet and top of the body sides
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So moving forward. It has been a very challenging few days trying to create the cheek guns. Im happy enough with the results, a little rough around the edges but was no small task. I don't think I could have achieved this without the pics from Analyzer so thanks mate!
I started with the cylindrical exhaust from a 1/35 Tiger tank and trimmed into it the front angle. I then cut it in half and added some brass tube in between the 2 halves. I built the finned piece at the back from modelling clay and baked it. then I fitted the guns. The armour plates are the revell ones, trimmed out of their original fixture with new rear supports added and the frames.
Much like on the original Revell head I drilled and fitted a rod right through the head to support the cheek guns, it is fixed in place and the cheek guns slide over the rod and can be individually pivoted up and down.
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And the result

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I hope these look ok. They seem ok to my eyes here, the camera shows a lot I cant see however.
Cheers,
Josh

Nice! Do you have a comparison shot between the original kit guns and the ones you show here? Minus the armor plate of course. One additional detail that seems to be missing is the rectangular "action extension" piece behind the long barreled gun in the scooped out part of the mount (your finned piece from clay? Wow). It will help make the gun look like it extends through the mounting instead of just cutting off. At any rate, these look really good so far.

 

[starks]

Nice! Do you have a comparison shot between the original kit guns and the ones you show here? Minus the armor plate of course. One additional detail that seems to be missing is the rectangular "action extension" piece behind the long barreled gun in the scooped out part of the mount (your finned piece from clay? Wow). It will help make the gun look like it extends through the mounting instead of just cutting off. At any rate, these look really good so far.

I dont think it's missing, the full action is there. I think I made the rear piece too long making the action appear short. If that makes sense?
Yes I had modelling clay left from another project and rummaging around looking for something like that rear piece I came across it and figured, oh well, modelling clay it is.

Unfortunately I destroyed the Revell guns chopping them up but Analyzer may be able to share pics of his? They were an open molding on the inside, no detail, wrong shape and awfully bulky.

Thanks for the kind words.
Cheers,
Josh

 

[Hagoth]

I dont think it's missing, the full action is there. I think I made the rear piece too long making the action appear short. If that makes sense?
Yes I had modelling clay left from another project and rummaging around looking for something like that rear piece I came across it and figured, oh well, modelling clay it is.

Unfortunately I destroyed the Revell guns chopping them up but Analyzer may be able to share pics of his? They were an open molding on the inside, no detail, wrong shape and awfully bulky.

Thanks for the kind words.
Cheers,
Josh

I might not have explained very well what I was looking at or maybe it is there and the lighting/shadow is messing with my eyes? Here is a picture of what I thought was missing. That small rectangular bump makes it look like the gun passes through the bracket mount going over the top.

And yes, I see what you mean by the exposed action on yours maybe being too long. The top action of the long gun is only a little in front of the end of the top gun on the Bandia and cast replicas. There is almost no rectangular slot showing. I actually like what you have better. Makes it look like there is some recoil action.

And once again I must say that your sculpting abilities are impressive.

 

[starks]

I might not have explained very well what I was looking at or maybe it is there and the lighting/shadow is messing with my eyes? Here is a picture of what I thought was missing. That small rectangular bump makes it look like the gun passes through the bracket mount going over the top.

And yes, I see what you mean by the exposed action on yours maybe being too long. The top action of the long gun is only a little in front of the end of the top gun on the Bandia and cast replicas. There is almost no rectangular slot showing. I actually like what you have better. Makes it look like there is some recoil action.

And once again I must say that your sculpting abilities are impressive.

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My apologies Hagoth, I thought you were referring to the top. I had totally missed that detail behind the lower gun. I think you're correct that it is probably the action where the gun is inserted into the retainer. I missed it and cut the gun short. It's a good catch for future designs. Hopefully we establish what more of the pieces used for the cheek gun assembly are to allow a better rendition in the future. Im actually happy I managed to construct something that looks like the studio piece at all, like I said theyre a little rough... should probably wear my glasses more... but from more than 40cm away theyre fine. And paint and weathering will help this model a great deal.

Interesting the guns different on that studio model. I had thought poor photo's were deceiving me but Im quite certain there's 2 different styles of cheek guns. Like the Bandai where the retainer ramps up, and that picture you posted has what seems to be an arch around the end of the retainer instead of the ramp.

The sculpting wasn't too difficult, i was able to flatten the clay to the desired thickness and its a fairly firm product so I mostly trimmed the shapes with a blade, and trimmed the finned pieces separately and added them on before baking. It's a trick I need to keep in mind for the future.

Cheers,
Josh

Edit:
You were asking about the Revell kit guns Hagoth. Unfortunately as said I destroyed them but noticed some pictures on the box art that give a solid idea. I like the detail windows.... almost like advertising for every detail Revell got wrong! LOL

 

[Hagoth]

I've seen pictures of models where the cheek guns seem to be upside down. Small gun thing at the bottom like in the Revell picture. I don't remember seeing that in film. Maybe ROTJ? And I agree those original kit guns look quite clunky. But then again advertise the short comings and nobody can rightly complain once getting into it? Yeah right. The result is threads like this one! Any missing details aside your guns look awesome compared to what you had to work with out of the box. That's the comparison I wanted to capture.

I've been looking for better detail pictures of the original studio model cheek guns. From the resin casting it almost looks like the long barreled gun was set in a cradle with a bracket loop over the top to hold it in. Gives an interesting perspective of what the pieces may have started out looking like and a clue of maybe where to look in donor kits.

 

[anamorphicWayne]

Thru my research, of the three studio models, I found each head had different cheek guns. It depends on which model you prefer.

AT-AT 01

AT-AT 02

AT-AT 03

 

[Hagoth]

What I see on screen in ESB matches configuration 2. That's my favorite configuration. Do we ever see on screen versions of the other two?

 

[starks]

I've seen pictures of models where the cheek guns seem to be upside down. Small gun thing at the bottom like in the Revell picture. I don't remember seeing that in film. Maybe ROTJ? And I agree those original kit guns look quite clunky. But then again advertise the short comings and nobody can rightly complain once getting into it? Yeah right. The result is threads like this one! Any missing details aside your guns look awesome compared to what you had to work with out of the box. That's the comparison I wanted to capture.

I've been looking for better detail pictures of the original studio model cheek guns. From the resin casting it almost looks like the long barreled gun was set in a cradle with a bracket loop over the top to hold it in. Gives an interesting perspective of what the pieces may have started out looking like and a clue of maybe where to look in donor kits.

The gun in a cradle with a bracket loop is a creative insight, I hadn't considered that.
Looking back at the bandai guns and my feelings, looks like the cradle is 2 pieces joined by a circular hinge, with the rear half being hinged upwards sonewhat. Whats your interpretation of this?

Thru my research, of the three studio models, I found each head had different cheek guns. It depends on which model you prefer.

AT-AT 01
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AT-AT 02
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AT-AT 03
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Thats fantastic of you to share those.
Regarding Hagoths earlier question I believe Analyzer stated the guns were placed upside down for RotJ.
Perhaps we see all these variations in ESB but closeups focus more on a particular Hero?
I can't see the guns with the spotlights on screen anywhere though and know theyre on the Resin model, not seemingly one of the 3 hero puppets.
So maybe they're there, just one of the 2 walkers seen behind the main 3 early in the Hoth battle scene. To be fair the resin walkers could have had no screen time and were made just to sit on Georges desk... or could they have been pyro models?

Cheers,
Josh

 

[Hagoth]

The gun in a cradle with a bracket loop is a creative insight, I hadn't considered that.
Looking back at the bandai guns and my feelings, looks like the cradle is 2 pieces joined by a circular hinge, with the rear half being hinged upwards sonewhat. Whats your interpretation of this?




Thats fantastic of you to share those.
Regarding Hagoths earlier question I believe Analyzer stated the guns were placed upside down for RotJ.
Perhaps we see all these variations in ESB but closeups focus more on a particular Hero?
I can't see the guns with the spotlights on screen anywhere though and know theyre on the Resin model, not seemingly one of the 3 hero puppets.
So maybe they're there, just one of the 2 walkers seen behind the main 3 early in the Hoth battle scene. To be fair the resin walkers could have had no screen time and were made just to sit on Georges desk... or could they have been pyro models?

Cheers,
Josh

Analyzer is correct. Looks like the cheek guns are upside down in at least one walker in RofJ. See time stamp 0:33 of the surrender of Luke. With the frame full screen it looks like these are ESB configurations just turned upside down. I can clearly see the shorter second barrel on the left side. Maybe that was to position the armor plate pointing up and keep the Ewoks from dropping rocks on them from above. Spot lights are on the inside of the side guards for the chin guns.

Oh and in the sequence I linked earlier at the time stamp 0:59 you get about as clear a shot of teh cheek guns I have found. Top one has a hole down the center of the barrel. Based on the number of shots coming from the cheeks I think it's a secnd short barreled medium blaster.

The suspected cheek gun cradle reminds me of a double suspension arm with the pivot in the middle (maybe from a tank or tractor?) with one end cut down and some type of shock coil stuck on the top back side. You could be right that it's a two piece cradle with a hinge in the middle like a wall anchor. I can see it both ways so its really hard to tell.

 

[anamorphicWayne]

AT-AT 01 was animated by Phil Tippett - closer to the camera
AT-AT 02 was animated by Doug Beswick - the model in the BG
AT-AT 03 was animated by Jon Berg - the model in the middle

The majority of the animation was done with model 01 and 03, but model 02 is in the film. Regarding the cheek guns, it's quite possible those parts were damaged while in the archives and replaced with stand-in parts before they went on tour. For example, model 03 has bents tubes holding on the chin guns. Also, close ups of the head firing, could be the large scale model. But it's hard to confirm the marking as the three film models may have been repainted or touched up over the years.

Model 01 - note the weathering marks on the main body

Model 02

 

[anamorphicWayne]

Huh? It's quite possible they put on them on the wrong side. Left is on Right, Right is on Left.

This is interesting. If you look at the one of the AT-ATs on the table, one of its cheek guns are missing.