Recasters page on FaceBook

[Contec]

I said I dont care if the prop is a recast,,,,,,as long as its an honest quality item.

So just as long as the Recast(er) does a good job recast(ing) the object another member has made it's all right?

 

[vader45]

That is my view of it and it wont change, I had it with this recasting nonsense......

I just want to enjoy masks and props.

All the myers masks I own(but 2 of them) and Vader helmet are recasts in some form or fashion....no matter how someone tries to explain it.

Ive never seen a completely sculpted H1 mask do it for me...I prefer the ones casted off the original Kirk.

 

[sabermasters]

vader45 has made a very good point...and that being said you should probably list nearly every vader helmet, stormtrooper helmet and cast from screen used sellers that sell here and other places and put them on that facebook page.

Vader helmets, all these fan based helmets with links to lineage is recasting
All these stormtrooper helmets that have direct connection to ANH have been recasted and sold on here.

What about molding a screen used prop and selling that?????????? that is recasting. The seller didn't make the prop he simply poured rubber on it and cast a resin copy. The original maker designed it and built it because it was his job to do so and put a lot of hard work into making it for production purposes for the film , but yet its okay to copy his hard work?? isn't that recasting and why is that okay? because he worked for company that made props for film or television and was screen used? so that makes it okay to recast and is accepted on this forum and many others.

How many times you see something for sale in the JY "cast from screen used"?? in other words copied and cast

The point is many of us claim copying someones work is wrong and recasting it is wrong. 80% of the items sold here were made by recasting at one point or another and I agree with Vader45 on that. So it can't be okay for some and not the other. I guess it's okay for that person to recast a screen used item because you don't have it and you want to own it and at the same time turn a blind eye to recasting for that one item.

It's all recasting and you can't define the gray area because there is none. Its either black or white.

Cast from screen used - recasting
Vader helmets with lineage - recasting
Stormtrooper armor with lineage - recasting
Stormtrooper helmets with lineage - recasting

but is okay ah?

 

[Wes R]

Do we really need to hijack this thread and turn it into another thread discussing recasting in general?

Sent from my Etch-A-Sketch

Hopefully the 2 who hijacked it and seem to support recasting are being looked into by the mods. I personally think the facebook page is a good idea. Maybe we need an instaban option on here for folks who make the "everything is a recast of something" claim.

 

[vader45]

vader45 has made a very good point...and that being said you should probably list nearly every vader helmet, stormtrooper helmet and cast from screen used sellers that sell here and other places and put them on that facebook page.

Vader helmets, all these fan based helmets with links to lineage is recasting
All these stormtrooper helmets that have direct connection to ANH have been recasted and sold on here.

What about molding a screen used prop and selling that?????????? that is recasting. The seller didn't make the prop he simply poured rubber on it and cast a resin copy. The original maker designed it and built it because it was his job to do so and put a lot of hard work into making it for production purposes for the film , but yet its okay to copy his hard work?? isn't that recasting and why is that okay? because he worked for company that made props for film or television and was screen used? so that makes it okay to recast and is accepted on this forum and many others.

How many times you see something for sale in the JY "cast from screen used"?? in other words copied and cast

The point is many of us claim copying someones work is wrong and recasting it is wrong. 80% of the items sold here were made by recasting at one point or another and I agree with Vader45 on that. So it can't be okay for some and not the other. I guess it's okay for that person to recast a screen used item because you don't have it and you want to own it and at the same time turn a blind eye to recasting for that one item.

It's all recasting and you can't define the gray area because there is none. Its either black or white.

Cast from screen used - recasting
Vader helmets with lineage - recasting
Stormtrooper armor with lineage - recasting
Stormtrooper helmets with lineage - recasting

but is okay ah?

I completely agree with this.

 

[jasonw2112]

"Sigh!"

Well it's obvious, that Sabermaster, and vador45 do not understand all the hard work involved in making props. Let alone the person who has lost money by recasters. They just don't get it!

Having said that, we know who not to sell to. Completely clueless! :facepalm

It's to bad we can't do anymore than that (or can we?)

 

[jasonw2112]

I completely agree with this.

You are completely clueless!

If recasting continues, people will stop casting props! Cause no money will be made. Therfore no more props period!

 

[vader45]

Recasting is recasting.....it doesnt matter if its screen used or a replica.....cant change the definition for different items.

 

[vader45]

How about this......We all know Darth Stone recasted the Rubies Armor to make and sell his ROTS armor...yet hes praised because there is a need for ROTS and Rubie got the Shape of the ROTS armor CORRECT.

He recasted. I dont mean to put him under the bus...this was just an example that came to mind.

 

[dbuck]

Perhaps those supporting recasting need to do a little poking around the RPF.

http://www.therpf.com/f13/stegodon-banned-recasting-171538/

http://www.therpf.com/f9/adam-savage-talks-recast-ing-168886/

http://www.therpf.com/f9/another-ebay-recaster-confirmed-acid-burn-158048/

And you might wish to check the banned members list to see just how many have been banned for recasting. I have had my work recast and sold on eBay and that person was later banned. If I was cheesed off by that I can't imagine the feeling of those here who have done FAR more work on items only to see some jackwad drop someone's incredibly researched and labor intensive prop in rubber and start casting.

 

[chuckyAPP]

..the Facebook page is not a bad idea. the more we can call these guys out the better. recasting an ORIGINAL movie prop that was sold by the studio that you now OWN and is your property to do with as you like is not wrong. if you want want to buy an ORIGINAL screen used item and burn it in your fireplace then you can because even though you didn't create it, you now OWN it. that's the difference. our community is small and not everyone can do what we do. if things keep getting recasted, people will stop selling items they took many many hours of their lives to create. hundreds of hours sculpting and building and researching a prop does not equate to some a##hole spending a few hours making a mold of your hard work.

 

[WarPig]

Kudos to dbuck! :thumbsup

The fact is, this issue has an enormous gray area, and people in this hobby have various opinions. Members of the RPF have a general consensus; other boards (especially ones in a narrower scope) may view things differently.

Insisting on debating a topic that was covered repeatedly ad infinitum long before you joined is counterproductive and disruptive. If you still insist on debating the topic, start a thread and let this one keep to its original purpose.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[gyoung2993]

My thoughts exactly......hhmmmm...opcornopcornopcorn....interesting...

 

[pengbuzz]

That is my view of it and it wont change, I had it with this recasting nonsense......

I just want to enjoy masks and props.

All the myers masks I own(but 2 of them) and Vader helmet are recasts in some form or fashion....no matter how someone tries to explain it.

Ive never seen a completely sculpted H1 mask do it for me...I prefer the ones casted off the original Kirk.

You have your opinion, and of course, you are entitled to it.

That said, I do not support recasting. Yes, people may be making copies of stuff they like from tv and movies, but they have to work to re-create those items. And it's not easy: just trying to create a 1/6 scale Master Chief from Halo 4 has taken me HOURS of research and trial and error to get as far as I have now. Making masters for replicas and pros takes it a step further for other modelmakers, with having to make molds that are crisp, accurate and devoid of flaws. This is an investment in time, materials and labor that strives to be as accurate as humanly possible.

Now, someone buys a prop and casts a recast of it (which can vary in quality in both mold and materials) and then sells it. This undercuts the people who put the effort into making these replicas and gives them no incentive to continue, which means at some point, it will become harder and harder to find these replicas or even recasts (as the original supply dwindles, so will the recasts).

Sooner or later, folks won't even want to part with their work. Then where are you? Either make it yourself, settle for a very crappy, worn out recast of a recast, or do without (and in the case of new items, if no one makes them, oh well).

So, feel free to call it "nonsense" (as you already have), but when it is your work that is copied and sold out from under you, I hope and pray you remember your words here.

On that note: I applaud the folks here who work hard to make the masters and molds for the stuff they sell, and they have my full support.


Collect. Collaborate. Create.

 

[tonykch]

So, feel free to call it "nonsense" (as you already have), but when it is your work that is copied and sold out from under you, I hope and pray you remember your words here.

Somehow I suspect this recasting "supporter" doesn't actually have any work that can be copied...

 

[pengbuzz]

I'll afraid I'd have suspect the same.

 

[Alan Castillo]

@ sabermasters & vader45

I will not go into the details of what the board's thoughts about recasting are. This is a subject that has been discussed to death.

I recommend you use the search function and 'study' the board's points of view more thoroughly.

You will see that your views are polar opposites to the boards'.

While you are of course entitled to your views, you are, however, ostracising yourselves with them in here.

 

[brandomack]

@ sabermasters & vader45

I will not go into the details of what the board's thoughts about recasting are. This is a subject that has been discussed to death.

I recommend you use the search function and 'study' the board's points of view more thoroughly.

You will see that your views are polar opposites to the boards'.

While you are of course entitled to your views, you are, however, ostracising yourselves with them in here.

Well said, Alan. If I may make an addition...

To the aforementioned members:

Don't think for a second, us artists will give either of you a chance to own our replicas, after displaying your attitudes. We had to scour the internet to research the details, OUR hands created them, WE spent years honing our abilities so we could re-create pieces we love, to share them with others who love them as much as us - because we all lack the thousands upon thousands of dollars required to buy the originals.

You have absolutely no appreciation of what it takes to create a replica, and in no way deserve to take part in this hobby.

If you want prop replicas, you can bloody well make them yourself!

 

[sabermasters]

why is it no one understands what I trying to say?
I dont agree with recasting period, not even screen used props.
To me there is no difference between copying someones work as a kit maker or copying someones work from the studio.

I DISAGREE WITH RECASTING ANYTHING.

Jeez......