Re-inventing Lukes ANH Lightsaber- And Vaders too??!?!

[itbedave]

Ok - bear with me here a bit - because this is just a thought and nothing more.

Someone posted that they saw a scene with Luke spinning around and he saw 6 grips and a big ass gap between 2 -right?

Given that, I started thinking about Mace Windu's grips - the ones that are cut down so the covertech could latch on his belt and the saber still hang ok.

WHAT IF there were simply 6 grips put in a 7 grip layout with one left out so the saber would hang right off Luke's belt?

This could be total nonsense, but it's taken how long to go from 6 to 7 grips - shouldn't we explore ALL possibilities?

 

[THX1138]

From other referance photo's, it shows the grips to be all the way around the flash.

- Jim

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

tlrgsxr,

rotating a pic wont distort it at all especially at a higher resolution. Computers are very precise thing when it comes to numbers, I have found its actully the best way to scale, rotate, and otherwise examine pics.

Also all the measuremnts we are dealing with are long the same line, we are only dealing with height, not width here, so if there were any distortion here, it really wouldnt matter.

I do not doubt though that there is some slight distortion between the original photo, the print and the scan. But there is enough info there to work off of.

If you take the pic I posted with the red outlines, copy it, and open it in photoshop, you can measure the elements there with the lasso, make sure the res on the pic is 72 dpi and you should see everything just about falls into place.

Also dont forget that D-rings come in standard sized, most commonly 3/4" 1" 1.5" and such...to have a d-ring that is an odd size like 1 1/32" would be kind of odd, rare and likely impossible

 

[DARTH SABER]

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Well the scene with the BIG ASS gap had the GAP on the opposite side of where it hangs on his belt..

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

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Given that, I started thinking about Mace Windu's grips - the ones that are cut down so the covertech could latch on his belt and the saber still hang ok.
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HUH? Mace's saber doesnt have any cut down grip???

 

[teecrooz]

I think he was talking about the pic on the official site that has a ripped grip.

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

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Heres another refference pic I found...

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If you examine the grip placement, the second grip from the control box lines up with the holes in the clamp just like the 7 grip placement. Its likely that gap looks wider due to glare. Also, if anyone has actually physically done it like I have, the gaps between the grips when using 7 isn't that tiny, however the gap on a 6 grip version looks REALLY huge.

HEY! you can also see the lever sticks out there too, looks like those other pics in this thread are actually of the screen used saber then?

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

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teecrooz wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
i think he was talking about the pic on the official site that has a ripped grip
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OH!...no that sucker is broken, the covertec hangs out past the grips with the used of a little brass spacer

 

[teecrooz]

Exactly, and if you want to see a good pic of this, check out vic's website. Anyway, back on topic....

 

[DARTH SABER]

Chip when you get a chance check out the movie and tell me what you think about the scene where luke is sitting on the edge of the cargo hold in the Falcon.
I admit that in every other scene it looks like definitely 7 grips...But on the formentioned scene theres an awful lotta space between grips...

BTW can you make out anything on the D-ring hinge placement on the new pic above...looks like its also hard to tell but i saams like the hinge is in the senter also.

 

[tlrgsxr]

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rotating a pic wont distort it at all especially at a higher resolution.
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This is incorrect. Rotating an image (or any form of resampling) works by reinterpreting each pixel by comparing it to the pixels around it. In addition, this is not a high res image! Using the O/D of the graflex as a basis of measurment is only about 100 pixels. So, if one measurment is off by 1 pixel of 100, that's 1%. If you're trying to be accurate, don't resample the image. Make it a negative for an additional view.

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If you take the pic I posted with the red outlines, copy it, and open it in photoshop, you can measure the elements there with the lasso, make sure the res on the pic is 72 dpi and you should see everything just about falls into place.
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I did. Please reread my posts. I find it very hard to believe you've measured the pic and came up with 25.4mm. Measured at 94.7º I come up with 1.393 for the O/D of the Graflex which is 38mm in diameter. I also get 1.003 for the O/D of the d-ring, .744 for the hinge width, and 1.289 for the ridge I/D. These calculate to about 27.3mm, 20.3mm, and 35.1mm (you'll note 35.1mm is EXTREMELY close).

I don't know how you've determined the bottom half is pushed in by 1/16" without any good 'length' reference in the pic. Especially since it's angled away. Do you realize you're talking about an accuracy of 1.5%. If you can determine this, then why do our d-ring numbers differ by over 6% with good reference points?

In short, please most your measurments.

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Also dont forget that D-rings come in standard sized, most commonly 3/4" 1" 1.5" and such...to have a d-ring that is an odd size like 1 1/32" would be kind of odd, rare and likely impossible
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Considering it was made in England (right?), it may be metric or it may be a custom size part taken off something else.

EDIT: No offense intended.

EDIT: To be clear, the numbers 1.393, 1.003, .744, and 1.289 are the numbers directly off the unscaled picture. Scaled and in millimeters, they're 38mm, 27.3mm, 20.3mm, and 35.1mm.

 

[DARTH SABER]

Actually I scaled it too and it came out to an inch outer diameter, but the ones sold at Walmart are 1" 1/16....The ones on the wall mounting kits are 1"...while the one in the film seems to be plated , the ones found on the wall mounting kits seem to be duller.

 

[teecrooz]

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In short, please most your measurments. I'm not trying to ruin your 1" d-ring sales, but it seems as though you're claiming your measurments are 1" to promote your sales.
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whoa there! come on, that was a low blow. this thread is for defining the saber, not accusing anyone of anything.

maybe we should get a third party to to measure this also. gav, could you help us out.

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[tlrgsxr]

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whoa there! come on, that was a low blow.
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone.

If anyone cares to measure their own, I'd suggest downloading the full size pic (not the rotated one with the red outline). Then change the resolution to 66.8dpi WITHOUT resampling the image. This will NOT change the data in the image, it will change the "header" info and allow for easy measurments. Once this is done, the measurments pallette will read "correctly" and no conversion of dimensions is necessary. This removes any mathmatical mistakes. It also allows everyone to see that the O/D of the graflex measures 1.5" and the d-ring measures more than 1".

EDIT: Anyone who wants the pic non-resampled at 66.8dpi to take the measurments themselves, please email me at tlrgsxr@yahoo.com. Considering I'm the only one who sees this, I'll be glad to email it for you to measure on your own.

 

[tlrgsxr]

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...the ones sold at Walmart are 1" 1/16
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27mm is approximately 1 1/16" (27mm=1.0629, 1 1/16th=1.0625).

 

[PHArchivist]

Will this thread be archived, and is this info being carried to the "Definitive" threads on the ASAP Board?

 

[Dewy]

Man, the only lightsabers I was 100% sure of were my ANH and ESB graflex... and I mean it when I say DON'T EVEN START WITH THE ESB I love that saber the way it is!

 

[dcarty]

Since Darth Saber has done us all a great favor and caused us to rethink what we've "known" for some time about the Skywalker saber (always a good thing--even if it can be irritating to rock the boat) I thought I'd add this little idea to the thread as well. I've never seen this posted in any other threads but there are two different styles of "eye" on the Graflex:

Just curious if anyone had any ideas about which is the version that might have been used on the Hero ANH? I don't recall ever seeing a picture that gave a really good look at the eye. I have two thoughts on this. One is that we are probably looking at the eye on the right (the one we are used to seeing) because this one came mounted on a Graflex with the correct red button. The eye on the left came on a Graflex that had the older, incorrect, button with the thin band around the top.

My other thought is that the eye on the right doesn't tighten down all the way to the shell of the flash. Its sits out about 1/16" away from the shell. The eye on the left, however, snugs right up to the shell which is how it appears at first glance in the profile you see of the saber.

(edit to add the profile pic below)

Anyhow, just thought I'd throw this extra iron into the fire since we are re-examining the saber.

Dave C.

 

[THX1138]

Actually, there's 3 different Glass Eye bezels! The 2 shown plus one that is just like the shiney chrome plated version (on the right in Dave's picture) except it is not shiney chrome plated... just a satin finish.

The bezel on the left has a much sharper edge and is one of the early bezels as Dave mentioned. The chrome bezels are more radiused.

- Jim

 

[Hiyata99]

tlrgsxr,

I am using a vector program with the unaltered graphic. From what I can tell the bracket is approx 3/4" wide (or high in the pic) and the D-ring is coming out to approx 1 1/16". Due to the quality of the graphic this is not an exact science and some guesstimating has to take place, but I am confident that the measurements that I just mentioned are very close. No one will ever know the exact measurements for sure and IMHO it is probably a waste of time to try and refine the measurements to a further degree without having higher quality starting materials. Now, if Jim could rescan the photo at a higher resolution say 300 or 600 dpi then that might help a bit more if the actual photograph has a good resolution.

To tell you the truth, it could be a used 1" D-ring that has been deformed or spread apart at some point. It could be an actual standard 1 1/16" D-ring. Hard to say. If you HAVE to have something that is just a bit different from the standard then you will just have to make the D-ring yourself. It's not that hard.

My actual measurement for the D-ring width is 1 5/64" with the D-ring being made of 1/8" wire or rod. I would also be itnerested to see what Gav comes up with....I believe it will be very close.

later all