Questions About Bond Films that You Have been Afraid to Ask SPOILERS

And Connery did it so perfectly.
I like Craig and think he makes a good Bond for today, but he is not Fleming's Bond. Tall with dark hair and a scar (no one had that) with an upper class upbringing. Sophisticated. Craig's Bond is opposite that.
But where they meet is in their devotion to Queen, country and their mission.
For me, Connery is #1, Craig is #2. Lazenby could have been but wasn't given much of a chance.
 
Thanks for the input guys, about the violence and sex thingy.
I just want to comprehend and compare "our" situation and this younger generation (or my daughter for particular case).

Yes, we played judo chop and phew phew as a kid, but back then, a movie (or Bond in particular) didn't have too much graphic that makes our imagination run wild. For example no or less blood, couple of punch and chop and the bad guys felt down. Sex was pictured as hug and kiss (and lots of bubbles -my favorite TB scene).

But look at it now. Bloods running from mouth and nose, people beating the hell out other, all kinds. And sex, oh it's more opened now (yes please :love). All in the name of being more realistic.

Now what I was thinking when I brought the subject up, it that what would we've become, if we were exposed to more violence and more vulgar like this? Should we wait our kids older than what we experienced?
Our kids are exposed to more experience than what we've exposed.

I hate the fact now they even mature up some fairly tales. Like we are running out of ideas. My daughter once said: look new Snow White lets watch it, or hey, Hansel and Gretel, the movie. I hated the fact now fairy tales being more "detailed". Even down to picture book, either the storyline or the graphics that I found it was too much.
 
When Dr. No came along and Bond shot Dent in the back, that, for then, was like pulling out a machette and hacking the guy to pieces today. It was a shocker - not just because he did it, but because it was the hero of the story, killing in cold blood.
But I understand your concerns. The bar has been raised to a point where almost anything can put you over the top. Yet the Bond films in particular have been careful in how far they go.
 
As I said, it's a case by case basis. I knew my son was ready when one day we were watching House, which he would often be in the room for, and there's a woman crushed under a parking garage that needs her leg amputated. Neither my wife or I even gave thought that my son was in the room (he was three or four at the time) and this lady on the screen is screaming in pain while House cuts her leg off with a scalpel and hacksaw. We realized part way through and he must have seen the panic on our faces when he said: "Don't worry daddy, it's pretend. She's okay".

Even at that age he was mature enough to know the difference. Compare that to a little rolling around in the sheets and a bloody nose and it's nothing. Case by case basis. ;)

Also keep in mind that kids NOT being exposed to this is a relatively recent phenomenon in the human experience. As recently as 150 years ago sex, violence, and death was a very real and common experience for kids to be around. In many parts of the world it still is. People turn out fine. I don't think a little pretend if traumatizing. ;)
 
When Dr. No came along and Bond shot Dent in the back, that, for then, was like pulling out a machette and hacking the guy to pieces today. It was a shocker - not just because he did it, but because it was the hero of the story, killing in cold blood.

Exactly what I was trying to say but said much better! :thumbsup
 
I'd like to add a 6th kill quote for your list (if you don't mind):
6. Thunderball - "I think he got the point" after nailing Vargas with a speargun.
 
Good choices all.

Although, I find some of the more "punny" ones like "He got the point" to be a bit much. Chrissakes, the guy just got impaled by a speargun! This is serious stuff! I find moments like that to be trying a little too hard to soften the blow. Contrast that with "Yes. Considerably," and the impact of the post-kill quip dramatically changes the whole scene. When they make it a joke, it's all "Haha, folks, it's just a fun movie." When it's one of the more serious moments, it's Bond being ruthless, vengeful, determined, etc. It gives the character depth.

Actually TD's "You keep it. 'Old Buddy,'" line is a terrific example. Bond's whole mission in LTK is one of personal revenge. He's not JUST a ruthless "The job. Always the job" kind of guy. He's exacting brutal, painful retribution on the people who killed his friend, and he's using all his skills and cunning to do it. The line, in that context, fleshes out the character better.

Imagine, instead, if after he knocked him into the shark tank, he followed up that line with "...Or maybe it should be 'Old Chum.'" It'd undercut the moment with a jokey-jokey scene. I tend to think that the producers put this stuff into the films primarily because they WANTED to lessen the impact of these kills. And then, after a while, it became part of the formula. This all seemed to peak with DAD which had just some of the WORST quips. Well, really, the worst of almost everything formulaic in the franchise and the most excessive versions for all of it.
 
I tend to think that the producers put this stuff into the films primarily because they WANTED to lessen the impact of these kills. And then, after a while, it became part of the formula. This all seemed to peak with DAD which had just some of the WORST quips. Well, really, the worst of almost everything formulaic in the franchise and the most excessive versions for all of it.

Agreed. Lol, is there a line in DAD that isn't a quip?
 
I don't know. I've forgotten a lot of that film -- on purpose. I'll get to it eventually, though, as I continue to watch the films in order. Still haven't started the Dalton stuff, though. I've been holding off on that one.
 
I don't know. I've forgotten a lot of that film -- on purpose. I'll get to it eventually, though, as I continue to watch the films in order. Still haven't started the Dalton stuff, though. I've been holding off on that one.

Did a marathon on the big screen the whole month of December. As it got further into the Brosnan era it became painfully obvious that people weren't actually talking to eachother but rather just rambling off one liners.

Gets old REALLY quick.
 
Yeah. The real shame of it is that I think Brosnan COULD have been an almost perfect blend of elements, and some of the moments and ideas in the stories are top-notch.

Brosnan, instead, ends up being kind of the modern Moore, except he had the physicality that Moore lacked.
 
The following is IMO and should be read for entertainment purposes only ;)

OHMSS: Keep in mind the last time I saw this was at 4 years old (37 years ago) I have very fond memories of my Dad taking me to see this (he passed when I was 10). So this movie has some special association for me. Certain moments stuck with me from ’76 but the plot was “new” when I watched it last night.
The one thing that takes me “out” of a film more than anything else is breaking the 4th wall; I can’t think of a “serious” film I’ve seen that allowed a character to do this, but it was the perfect way to introduce the audience to a new Bond. Looking right at the audience: “This never happened to the other fellow”;
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I loved it! That had to be a risky thing to attempt in film, yet almost necessary to acknowledge “we know he’s different, but go with it…” and GL delivers it with such charm and genuine good humor…man I can’t say enough what a great choice that was to open with! The opening credits were also really well done; I liked the concept of looking back at the past films. Is this the 1st Bond film without lyrics in the title?
The cross-fade on the surface of the pool at the casino, gave me the indication that this film was being taken more seriously by the studio than the last 2 entries in the series. Although I enjoy SC’s fights, GL’s physical action is much more convincing, partly from the actor and partly from editing/choreography. (Sound effects got a little over the top though)Taking out 3 guys with H2H and entering the room like this was sooooo Bond!
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I loved the way he interacted with M and MP, and the way MP keeps JB from quitting. :) :thumbsup Diana Rigg is perhaps the sexiest Bond girl so far IMO:love, not just because of her physical attributes, she plays the role very well! A bare thigh from under a fur coat?! :loveYes PLEASE!! Busting a bottle and going on the attack? :coolYes PLEASE!! Seeing Bond actually have feelings for a woman made him seem more “real” to me, and the on screen chemistry between them was very good. There was a moment in the barn when JB insists on sleeping separately from her; I thought “come on this is Bond!” then he pulled a classic Bond move with the pitchfork, it was perfect!:D His and Tracy’s cars are AWESOME!!!:thumbsup No fancy cool stuff, but super sexy cars regardless! (Tire squealing on snow/ice/sand? :eek:lol) I really enjoyed the return to Bond using his wits, and “rigging” his own gadgets, like the door opener, using his pockets for gloves, etc. The “mini” copier was cool and probably very futuristic when the movie came out, but not so far out that it seemed sci-fi.
I would have liked to see DP in the role of Blofeld again, Telly did a good job but he could have used the eye-scar and been a little creepier. Bond's disguise as “Hilly” was great, :cool (not even asian! :lol) he actually “acted” a different part (but I doubt glasses and a new accent would fool Blofeld :rolleyes:lol). The scene with the lipstick was hilarious (that curly headed chicken farmer :love), “just a slight stiffness coming on…in the shoulders” :lol:lol:lol when I did laugh it wasn’t at the film but with it.
The skiing was incredible (one thing that stuck with me from the 1st viewing) at one moment I felt like Charles from BOD…
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The scene change with him looking out the window and remembering Tracy getting captured was also great, but perhaps the coolest shot from the movie was this…
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I could go on and on about it but let’s just say I LOVED this movie!!! I can’t believe GL broke a 7 movie contract:facepalm; we could have had him right up to FYEO!!!!! :angry AARRRRRGGGGHH!
I learned the Bond Family motto and that Bond golfs!(y)cool
My new screen-used Bond dream prop: The hat he tossed to MP after the wedding “no respect for government property”
Anybody with info on the type of golf bag he has in the film let me know ;) I plan on doing a SA replica for my classic clubs :thumbsup

The RPF's own M brought up the father-son experience of sharing Bond, I just have to say how much I agree, This was the only Bond film my dad and I got to share on the big screen, and while watching it with my daughter, the clear memory of velvet seats, polished wood armrests, popcorn with real butter, and cheering on JB with my dad (as Bond did his belly slide with his gun blazing!) came back stronger than I thought possible.
Even though I have my own "special" nostalgia attched to OHMSS, I think my assessment is fair, its a well very crafted film in general, but when considered only against the other Bond movies, ....It knocked goldfinger to #4 slot (so far) and if GL had stayed in his contract, I dare say he could have knocked SC to #2 (BLASPHEMY!!:lol:lol)
M, thanks for giving me a new obsession!!!:lol:behave (that's my wife with the club!)
My longest, most rambling post is officially done :D
 
A very fair assessment made even more special by your nostalgia. :thumbsup

I knew you'd like it!

FRWL was the first Bond film to not have lyrics in the credit sequence but this was the first tune that didn't HAVE lyrics.

GL could have become great in the role had he stuck with it. I find him a little off in a few scenes but overall he definitely plays the part well and the film is a great return to the Dr. No and FRWL feel. Low on gadgets, high in ingenuity.

After this it's rough. DAF, even with the return of SC, is terrible IMO. Moore is... Moore. It gets good again with TD and the start of PB. DC is still great after three (although the editing in QOS I wasn't fond of I thought the film was decent enough).
 
Speaking of nostalgia, I'm pretty sure that's why GF is my number one and not number two.

I remember as a kid my dad playing the laser scene on an 8mm projector in our basement and voicing the characters for me. He knew every line (as I do now) and, to a four year old, did them very well.

"No Mr. Bond I expect you to DIE!" :D

Oddly enough I got to utter the same line 30 years later on TV. (Think I already posted the link in this thread)
 
Speaking of nostalgia, I'm pretty sure that's why GF is my number one and not number two.

I remember as a kid my dad playing the laser scene on an 8mm projector in our basement and voicing the characters for me. He knew every line (as I do now) and, to a four year old, did them very well.

"No Mr. Bond I expect you to DIE!" :D

Oddly enough I got to utter the same line 30 years later on TV. (Think I already posted the link in this thread)
:lolno wonder you embodied that role so well!:lol
8mm, that takes me back :)
so far for me
#1 FRWL
#2 Dr. No
#3 OHMSS
#4 GF
#5 TB
I reserve the right to change my mind as I work my way through the films :D :lol I have a feeling TB might get bumped :confused
 
Bigdaddy, how come no Tracy pics?
Let me add.

I didn't realized when watching the movie, how revealing Tracy's wedding dress. It was supposed to show her tomboyish side a bit.
And course, my favorite moment, when she gambled.
 
Under the 'spoilers' part of this thread ... The first time you see Goldfinger in Goldfinger, it's not Gert Frobe. It's a stand in, shot at the Fountainbleau descending the staircase at the cabana area. Frobe is first seen, in the flesh, sitting down to his card game at Pinewood. Paying for Connery and Frobe to travel to Miami for a quick establishing shot at the hotel was not Broccoli's way of conserving funds.
 
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