Questions About Bond Films that You Have been Afraid to Ask SPOILERS

[IMIM2]

Hey, I survived!:thumbsup

Would anybody chip in their best 5 and bottom 5?
I am surprised that I am the only one that put YOLT on the list.
Technically, rodneyfaile didn't put it as a list.
I am waiting for Bigdaddy's comment on YOLT too.

Yup, for me the biggest turn down in GF is "play dead" trick too.
Pulling out something like that at Fort Knox, why risk it?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Yup, for me the biggest turn down in GF is "play dead" trick too.
Pulling out something like that at Fort Knox, why risk it?

Ya, it's silly. However it did have a purpose to the story.

They know there's a nuclear bomb somewhere in the US. As Goldfinger rightly said earlier in the film if they discovered it or tried to stop him who knows where it would be detonated? They had to wait until the bomb came to them so they had to let Goldfinger think his plan was working and bring the bomb on site.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

My favorite Bond movies are Skyfall, OHMSS, Casino Royale, and From Russia With Love.

Hard to argue with a list like that. All stellar Bond films. :thumbsup

I also really like Never Say Never Again. I consider it a Bond movie, even though some dont.

I don't mind it. I think the biggest issue for me was Connery was way too old for the part.

 

[KojiroVance]

Read the novel GOLDFINGER You'll appreciate the film more. And understand Capungo in the PTS.

"Duck snorkel." Try SEAGULL. Geez.

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[Master Dahark]

I don't mind it. I think the biggest issue for me was Connery was way too old for the part.

What are your thoughts on Moore then? He's older than Connery's NSNA in OP & AVTAK (though whether he looks younger is up to debate)

I love Moore but I would have sure loved to see Dalton come in one movie early.
Moore was technically too old for OP too but his star power was neccesary for the rival Bond movie. Plus the ending to OP is perfectly fitting for Moore's Bond (sailing off in a boat full of women):lol

 

[Solo4114]

From my perspective, Moore was NEVER a good Bond. He had a few good Bond films, but they weren't because he was in them. Moore's a decent actor, and he can do suave and sophisticated...but in my opinion, that's wrong for the character anyway.

More importantly, Moores' physical presence was never really convincing to me. If Moore hit a guy, I never really thought he was hitting the guy. I thought he was just going through the motions like a choreographed dance sequence. "And punch and kick and step-ball-change and..."

Connery -- even when he was older, could still pull that off. There were other problems with Connery being older (chiefly the "dirty old man" phenomenon that also affected some of the Moore films), but I never believed that Connery didn't know how to throw a punch. Moore? Eh. He just lacks the physicality.

Actually, to be honest, I find that to be true even with the sexual stuff. Particularly going back and rewatching the Moore era, I do NOT get why women wanted to sleep with this guy. I mean, he's a good looking guy, sure, but, you know, so's a Ken doll, right?

By the time you hit Octopussy, and even, arguably, as early as Moonraker, Moore is "too old," to me. But OP and AVTAK are particularly glaring examples. If Moore was always a bit stiff in the physical stuff, he was at least far less so in his early outings. By the time you get to those later two, it's just kind of a farce. This is a pity, too, because the actual underlying stories to OP and AVTAK are really pretty cool. It's just the execution that's kinda weak.

 

[Treadwell]

I think the biggest issue for me was Connery was way too old for the part.

An aging Connery was too old to play an aging Bond? Cuz NSNA was about that...Bond getting too old for this ****.

 

[Jeyl]

I have zero issues with an actor's age playing a character like Bond. Bond should be awesome no matter how old he is. I could have gotten passed Moore's age in "A View to a Kill" if the film was a lot more tolerable.

 

[Master Dahark]

An aging Connery was too old to play an aging Bond? Cuz NSNA was about that...Bond getting too old for this ****.

Which to me, is why NSNA is better than a most people give it credit for. It addressed the fact that 'hey, this actor is in his freaking fifties'. Look at the way Bond's career is portrayed in NSNA compared to , well, you could say MOST of Moore's movies!

Of course that's not to say NSNA is good mind you. Yes they were on the right track by addressing Connery's age, but it is indeed quite boring and the movie as a whole is terribly dated (SO 80's).

Such a shame- Connery's return after such a long absence could have been the 'Dark Knight Returns' of Bond movies! :facepalm

I have zero issues with an actor's age playing a character like Bond. Bond should be awesome no matter how old he is. I could have gotten passed Moore's age in "A View to a Kill" if the film was a lot more tolerable.

Would you have liked to see Moore in The Living Daylights? Me personally, I LOVE Dalton so my answer is definitely no, however since it did technically almost happen I do find myself imagining Moore in TLD sometimes. For example I can easily picture him going down the hill on that cello case; and if we dropped Pushkin and replaced him with Gen Gogol (as originally intended) then that interrogation scene would have been a joy to watch, what with Moore's history with Gogol. Plus- Moore with a sniper rifle! Just typing that brings a smile to my face!

It's for the best that he wasn't in it, yet there's no doubt it would have been a better movie than AVTAK, old or not.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

What are your thoughts on Moore then? He's older than Connery's NSNA in OP & AVTAK (though whether he looks younger is up to debate)

My feelings on Moore are quite well known and mirror Solo's.

Moonraker was the last time he looked an appropriate age for the part but he was never a good Bond.

I do enjoy all of the Bond films, but his are amongst the weakest.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

An aging Connery was too old to play an aging Bond? Cuz NSNA was about that...Bond getting too old for this ****.

I hear ya. Despite that for me it was more of a "I don't want to see Bond ready for a pension". So maybe it's not so much that Connery was too old for the role but rather Bond was too old for the film.

I like the movie well enough, just not winning any awards from me. :lol

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Would you have liked to see Moore in The Living Daylights? Me personally, I LOVE Dalton so my answer is definitely no, however since it did technically almost happen I do find myself imagining Moore in TLD sometimes. For example I can easily picture him going down the hill on that cello case; and if we dropped Pushkin and replaced him with Gen Gogol (as originally intended) then that interrogation scene would have been a joy to watch, what with Moore's history with Gogol. Plus- Moore with a sniper rifle! Just typing that brings a smile to my face!

It's for the best that he wasn't in it, yet there's no doubt it would have been a better movie than AVTAK, old or not.

Dalton was SUCH a breath of fresh air in TLD! Just a joy to see him as Bond. :thumbsup

I think TLD would have been a very different film if Moore had been in it, and not nearly as good. Moore just can't move the way Bond needed to move in that film.

 

[Caveneau]

I watched TLD again 2 weeks ago. I really enjoyed it.
What a great opening, with the whole Smiert Spionam thing.
I also love that he happens to land on the yacht with the chick and the first thing he does is phone in to HQ.
I too agree, Dalton was a refreshing portrayal of Bond.

 

[Jeyl]

Would you have liked to see Moore in The Living Daylights? Me personally, I LOVE Dalton so my answer is definitely no.

So is mine. After all, The living Daylights is my favorite Bond movie and a huge part of that is thanks to Dalton's portrayal of Bond. "A View to a Kill" just wasn't written to reflect Moore's age at all, and certainly would have looked a lot older by the time TLD came around.

 

[rodneyfaile]

I'm ready to see this big Bond tribute at the Oscars tonight.

 

[IMIM2]

I totally agreed that Moore was way too old for AVTAK He should end Bond role in MR or at the most FYEO. Although I enjoyed OP too (to some extend, I read some comment elsewhere, about the reason why he liked OP, and it was mostly true to me too).

Sadly, my best Bond, PB, looks very old too, even in TWINE. As much as I wanted to see him being Bond again, I guess to stop at DAD is a right decision.

I was surprised to see lots of comments about TD, I like him too, but why he got replaced only after 2 movies. Although I don't mind at all, because PB took his place.

Seeing NSNA, and clip of "property of the lady", I don't have a problem with "almost retiring" Bond look. SC and TD surely can still pull it off, as long as the storyline fits.

The reason I watched NSNA and CR (1967), I want to see the story of aging/retired Bond. What he will decide to do when he is no longer "young". Would he be in glorious retirement palace in CR or reading dossier in NSNA?
Property of a lady surely tickles that sense too, as an aging Bond, but not retired.

I am not sure if younger viewer would go back as far as SC era, to know more about Bond. If any of you have first experience Bond is DC, how far would you go back to find out more about Bond?

The key of watching a classic, should be in clear mind that the movie was made a long time ago. So the feel of being outdated is somewhat irrelevant, IMHO (unless in this case NSNA because it was a almost direct "knock off" of TB)

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I totally agreed that Moore was way too old for AVTAK He should end Bond role in MR or at the most FYEO. Although I enjoyed OP too (to some extend, I read some comment elsewhere, about the reason why he liked OP, and it was mostly true to me too).

When John Glen took over the directing role in FYEO his "mission" was to find a new Bond. Took him three movies to do it. :lol

Sadly, my best Bond, PB, looks very old too, even in TWINE. As much as I wanted to see him being Bond again, I guess to stop at DAD is a right decision.

By the time DAD came around the Bond brand was getting very tired, they needed change badly.

I was surprised to see lots of comments about TD, I like him too, but why he got replaced only after 2 movies. Although I don't mind at all, because PB took his place.

There was some legal issues going on and troubles with the studio but one of the biggest things is that neither of TD's films did particularly well at the box office for a Bond film, least of all LTK. A big problem with LTK is that it wasn't family friendly, fathers couldn't take their sons (I specifically remember being on the "son" side of that equation). Really, the world wasn't ready for that Bond on the screen. It was a dark and gritty film. Oddly enough I think it's the one that captures the flavour of the novels the best.

Seeing NSNA, and clip of "property of the lady", I don't have a problem with "almost retiring" Bond look. SC and TD surely can still pull it off, as long as the storyline fits.

Especially TD. He could pop back in to the role any time!

I am not sure if younger viewer would go back as far as SC era, to know more about Bond. If any of you have first experience Bond is DC, how far would you go back to find out more about Bond?

My oldest was introduced with DC. His favourite Bond films are the SC ones. He also loves Moore though for entirely different reasons. :lol

It all depends on the accessibility of the older stuff to a new viewer. In my experience younger people have seen the DC entries and if they've seen any others they are the PB and SC ones. Most new viewers seem to skip everything in between that which is a shame as they're missing GL & TD.

The key of watching a classic, should be in clear mind that the movie was made a long time ago. So the feel of being outdated is somewhat irrelevant, IMHO (unless in this case NSNA because it was a almost direct "knock off" of TB)

The quality of production on the really old ones is fantastic. It's not until DAF and the really cheesy laser effects that things went down hill IMO. In that regard you can appreciate them as good films. I tend to watch them as period pieces and when looked at that way they hold up really well. :thumbsup

 

[Bigdaddy]

I finally got to watch YOLT I'm going to list the good stuff 1st
The fight scene with the driver was cool, but as a judoka I'm partial to seeing practical judo being used instead of the pretty "dynamic" stuff . Ninjas in a volcano :thumbsup The volcano hideout and mono-rail were great, felt like Syndrome's house! :lol. The best part of the movie was definitely seeing Dr Ev...er I mean Blofeld :lol :cool

The not-so-good stuff:
I don't want to have a bash on poor JB, :cool and most all of my criticisms would be very apparent to the casual viewer so i'll spare the rant and only mention the shoes. WTH??? Those white and black spectators with the zipper? That was the least believable part, Bond is way to cool to wear those!:lol Not to mention they made his feet look like they were glowing in the dark during the outdoor scenes Don't get me wrong, I love spectators, but only in an Irish brogue punch design and with laces...of course!
Thats as close I'll get to trashing an SC movie :lol
Tomorrow is OHMSS if I don't get over-ruled
OT: My wife walked in as I was finishing this post and asked if I was trolling behave

 

[KojiroVance]

Once you've watched the first 5-6 Bond films, a lot of the references in THE INCREDIBLES make sense. It wasnt an accident that the OHMSS theme was used for the first teaser trailers....

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[Michael Bergeron]

Once you've watched the first 5-6 Bond films, a lot of the references in THE INCREDIBLES make sense. It wasnt an accident that the OHMSS theme was used for the first teaser trailers....

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Especially YOLT.