crabra comander
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I think the Captain of the ship would have found out she was an android once they got busy...:love
Prometheus (Post-release)
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Complete email exchange between Josh Horowitz and Damon Lindelof.
Josh Horowitz: OK, back to relative seriousness. I'm completely obsessed with Fassbender's David. I've got two questions about his character. Was his preoccupation with Peter O'Toole circa "Lawrence of Arabia" in the script or something Fassbender suggested? And getting down to the nitty gritty ... when David communicates with one of the Engineers late in the film, what the hell does he say to get them so angry? Did you actually script what that dialogue would have been in our language?
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, the "Lawrence of Arabia" stuff was in the script. Ridley and I are both [director David] Lean fanatics and it seemed appropriate thematically. Also, I got to steal great dialogue because no one can hear quote marks when actors speak plagiarized lines. Hint: "Big things have small beginnings" is one of them. As to your other query:
Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary.
Josh Horowitz: We talked a bit about David but let's concentrate on Vickers for a second if we could. Like David, her motivations remain mysterious for much of the film. And certainly her resemblance (look, icy mannerisms) to David is interesting to say the least. Janek asks the question directly so I shall as well. Is she a robot?!? Also, I couldn't help but notice we never actually see her die. Am I just hopelessly desperate to see Charlize perform more half-naked push-ups in a sequel or did you leave the door purposefully open?
Damon Lindelof: Vickers. Yes, she does look like David. Yes, this was intentional. What better way to **** off your daughter than to build the male equivalent of her? But enough about daddy issues (seriously, Lindelof, we get it!), allow me to answer your question. Is she a robot?
She is not.
But did Vickers somehow survive being smushed by the gigantic rolling horseshoe that was the derelict ship? Could her scantily-clad push-up training have saved her in that final moment of cru****ude? And more importantly, WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST RUN ZIG-ZAGGY OR SIDEWAYS TO AVOID IT?!?
I don't have the answers to these questions, Josh. I'm just the writer.
Josh Horowitz: Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?
Damon Lindelof: In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne.
And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!
Josh Horowitz: Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?
Damon Lindelof: Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?
Josh Horowitz: Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?
Damon Lindelof: Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
Complete email exchange between Josh Horowitz and Damon Lindelof.
Josh Horowitz: OK, back to relative seriousness. I'm completely obsessed with Fassbender's David. I've got two questions about his character. Was his preoccupation with Peter O'Toole circa "Lawrence of Arabia" in the script or something Fassbender suggested? And getting down to the nitty gritty ... when David communicates with one of the Engineers late in the film, what the hell does he say to get them so angry? Did you actually script what that dialogue would have been in our language?
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, the "Lawrence of Arabia" stuff was in the script. Ridley and I are both [director David] Lean fanatics and it seemed appropriate thematically. Also, I got to steal great dialogue because no one can hear quote marks when actors speak plagiarized lines. Hint: "Big things have small beginnings" is one of them. As to your other query:
Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary.
Josh Horowitz: We talked a bit about David but let's concentrate on Vickers for a second if we could. Like David, her motivations remain mysterious for much of the film. And certainly her resemblance (look, icy mannerisms) to David is interesting to say the least. Janek asks the question directly so I shall as well. Is she a robot?!? Also, I couldn't help but notice we never actually see her die. Am I just hopelessly desperate to see Charlize perform more half-naked push-ups in a sequel or did you leave the door purposefully open?
Damon Lindelof: Vickers. Yes, she does look like David. Yes, this was intentional. What better way to **** off your daughter than to build the male equivalent of her? But enough about daddy issues (seriously, Lindelof, we get it!), allow me to answer your question. Is she a robot?
She is not.
But did Vickers somehow survive being smushed by the gigantic rolling horseshoe that was the derelict ship? Could her scantily-clad push-up training have saved her in that final moment of cru****ude? And more importantly, WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST RUN ZIG-ZAGGY OR SIDEWAYS TO AVOID IT?!?
I don't have the answers to these questions, Josh. I'm just the writer.
Josh Horowitz: Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?
Damon Lindelof: In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne.
And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!
Josh Horowitz: Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?
Damon Lindelof: Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?
Josh Horowitz: Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?
Damon Lindelof: Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
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rodneyfaile
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Thanks for posting that.
It's ok of course to not like the movie. Everyone has different tastes. What I don't like is when people insinuate Ridley didn't know what he was doing. I think he made exactly the movie he set out to make. It's not for everyone.
It's ok of course to not like the movie. Everyone has different tastes. What I don't like is when people insinuate Ridley didn't know what he was doing. I think he made exactly the movie he set out to make. It's not for everyone.
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Well, I'm torn on that. I really enjoyed this film. I think it's a terrible piece of work in some respects, but most of them are respects that could conceivably be addressed in a longer cut. We'll see.
In the meantime...I'm still entertained! The enthralling promo campaign which for so long I treated as probably the bulk of the entertainment value to be had from this project turned out to be the tip of the iceberg, hehe. I'm kind of baffled to feel that way despite the film being aggravatingly problematic, but eh, I'm going with it.
In the meantime...I'm still entertained! The enthralling promo campaign which for so long I treated as probably the bulk of the entertainment value to be had from this project turned out to be the tip of the iceberg, hehe. I'm kind of baffled to feel that way despite the film being aggravatingly problematic, but eh, I'm going with it.
crabra comander
Master Member
Hey sorry if I'm bringing up anything already mentioned but I'd like to have everyone's thoughts specifically on why the Engineers created us.
I was thinking that maybe these Engineers weren't so different from us as far as war is concerned and were trying to each create the perfect war machines.
Maybe they're having a intergalactic war and were planning on harvesting their creations when the time was right to have the best ones wipe out the rest of them.
I was thinking that maybe these Engineers weren't so different from us as far as war is concerned and were trying to each create the perfect war machines.
Maybe they're having a intergalactic war and were planning on harvesting their creations when the time was right to have the best ones wipe out the rest of them.
GrenadeKing
Sr Member
I think it's more a case of the face being weathered before hand. Missing a nose, being all gouged up and eroded, etc. The sandstorm plays with the lighting enough to make it resemble a skull in the close up. It's still the same eroded face it just gives the impression of a skull. It's believe its much more of a symbolic gesture than an actual happening.
JEYL'S EPIC REVIEW CONCLUSION TO PROMETHEUS
My favorite characters in the entire film were those mapping probes. They went into dark, creepy places without fear or hesitation and kept everyone up to date on where things were. Even when compared to the entire crew, they were the easiest to understand, the most professional and the most dedicated "things" that wanted to accomplish their mission for the benefit of everyone involved. They were so important to the mission that the moment they were neglected, two seasoned scientists DIED.
My favorite characters in the entire film were those mapping probes. They went into dark, creepy places without fear or hesitation and kept everyone up to date on where things were. Even when compared to the entire crew, they were the easiest to understand, the most professional and the most dedicated "things" that wanted to accomplish their mission for the benefit of everyone involved. They were so important to the mission that the moment they were neglected, two seasoned scientists DIED.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
I would think that's one really slow war, if you're willing to wait some 3+ billion years to prepare a weapon system.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Just got back from seeing it.
I think I made a huge mistake in not re-watching the Alien movies before I went. It's been a while since I saw them. On the other hand, I do not recall any of this prequel's 'origin' elements being present in the original movies (?). Or am I going nuts / memory failing terribly ?
I think I made a huge mistake in not re-watching the Alien movies before I went. It's been a while since I saw them. On the other hand, I do not recall any of this prequel's 'origin' elements being present in the original movies (?). Or am I going nuts / memory failing terribly ?
Dave Ward
Sr Member
No, none of that was explicit in the original. That said, some of the ideas were sort of implicit in Alien, the sense of the occidental in the vast unknown, man the creator vs. man the passive host, but it was all there as subtext. Essentially, they go onto a spaceship, see a big dead alien, and haul a$$ out of there. One of the brilliant things is that we don't even know if our species has had a first contact before - it's left ambiguous.
OK, I got it right then :lol Thanks Dave :thumbsup
Long live the continuation ! Dying to know why the engineers created man then wanted to wipe them out.
I suspect (speculate) they created man in the first place to experiment their bio-weapon on him, but then realised that contact with human DNA spawns a horrific intelligent creature, whereas with the engineer's, it just killed them.
Dunno, sounds like a cool twist to me :cool
Feraud
Sr Member
There are some questions we might not want to hear the answer to.
Humans create life all the time with little intentions or regard for their offspring. Some people raise and own pets for years and discard them because they are moving or with the excuse, "my boyfriend is allergic to cats..".
Imagine raising some Sea-Monkeys and waking up to find a group of them standing next to your bed asking, "Who am I? Why did you make me?"
Sheesh, I'd probably freak out and start ripping heads off too..
No worries here. It's only a movie
That's why I'm speculating that they created us as lab-rats :lol
crabra comander
Master Member
Yeah, but who's to say they haven't been working on other planets trying to create the ultimate weapon. Then they have had plenty of time to create us, since they've been doing it so long. They weren't sitting around waiting.
We were, perhaps, the closest thing to being like them. So they saw that we were maybe to intelligent to be weapons as is. But with the black goo we'd be perfect! Then one of them accidentally got turned into Alien 1.0!:facepalm And when that happened they created a creature that was good enough to destroy everyone.
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
The thing is... the jockey's didn't just create man... they created ALL life on planet Earth... since everything is connected... so the major wipeouts in Earth history could be caused by jockey's to speed up evolution towards the end goal... and... we may not be the end goal. Though, they still left clues for us to follow, even if we weren't.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Love the Sea Monkeys analogy.
Maybe we are seeing too much with the Engineer flipping out. Remember how hornery the bong smoking geologist was when he got out of hypersleep and how it affected Shaw?
This guy gets woken up after 2000 years by a bunch of Sea Monkeys all squabbling around him,all he wants to do is park the tiger on the carpet and then the plastic one tells him that the Red Sox won the Championship a while back and the Cubs still havnt, BAM, heads start swinging at heads. The SOB carries a grudge as well, hence chasing Shaws arse down after losing his ship instead of just getting in a spare.
Probably not.:angry
So why doesn't the DNA match every other Earth species DNA in the computer?
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Because the writer is stupid.
There's 99.something similarity in DNA between human and most simians. Meaning, an identical match could only be found if the jockeys were 100% identical. They aren't... so naturally, I'm thinking... the writer is an idiot. Or... the sample is contaminated.
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